What size rats do you feed your adult female balls? POLL

[jglass38]

YES!!! FINALLY!!!!

I have been trying to convince women of that my entire life.

Now THAT'S funny!

 

[Larry Suttles]

My best friend does the exact same thing and ive never seen anyone get a snake to grow the way he does!

Who is this @hole you speak of thats hording in on our relationship??

I'm pretty much with Sammy here my rats don't live to be mediums. Between me feeding them off and Gib using his own garage door opener and taking rats in the wee hours of the night, I'm lucky to get them up to 4-5weeks.

 

[Jake The Snake]

It seems maybe you are making assumptions on what people do and don't know. Jake made some statements on the other thread that just don't make any sense. He was questioned about it by multiple people and decided to bring it here.

I have the utmost respect for Sammy (If only he had a male Pied instead of those 2 females!) and think he made a fine point.

Everyone should do whatever they want....

Brought it here because I feel that having more people than the clannies at this un named site, I said multiple times on the other forum that there is NO ONE WAY TO DO THINGS and all you wanted to do is argue with me. You are almost twice my age and you still are acting like you should be rolling around in pampers sucking on a bottle. Be serious. I tried to meet you half way on this discussion and my many attempts were pushed away with snarky comments.

As for the big timers or "pioneers"
TSK-100-200 grams
Dave Barker-10-14 week old rats("mediums")
Bob Clark-"I feed the largest rat they can eat. For most young breeders that’s somewhere between a large medium and a large rat"
Nerd-"Generally Mediums"
Mike Willbanks-As big as they will eat

On the contrary, I will say that there was 1 breeder that I emailed that said they feed smalls and that was RDR. I am in no way saying that either way is wrong or the only way to do it.

 

[Jake The Snake]

Alicia,

I am not sure where your crusade to save young Jake from himself started. I don't care. Feel free to search for old threads and you will see some of the things he has said in the past. Once again, he was suspended for a comment to a moderator that I won't repeat. Jake wants to talk like a man so quit defending him and let him fight his own battles.

I didn't ask Alicia to defend me at all. In this discussion I expressed my personal oppinions and that there is more than one way to do things. Never at any point did I call YOU any names, Never at any point did I say that the way YOU did things was wrong. Lets leave this forum for discussion and not bickering from either of us. Take it to PM if you wish to continue

 

[jglass38]

Jake,

What exactly are "clannies"? As far as you wanting to take it to PM, it seems to me its because you don't want to come out what you did to get suspended (and almost permanently banned) and that what you said is the real reason behind your vendetta against people on "the unnamed" forum. I'm done discussing/debating/arguing it with you. Do whatever you like. I hope you are a huge success in your future endeavors!

 

[SPJ]

If feeding live, I go smaller to minimize risk BUT since the most here take f/t, there is nothing wrong IMO of feeding them a meal that is appropriately sized which means a medium rat.

The smalls I feed are roughly 60-70 grams.
The mediums I feed are roughly 130-150 grams.

Now that means my smallest snake which is 700 grams gets one small rat weekly and my largest which is 4000 grams gets one medium rat weekly.

Since there is a range in the sizes I take the smaller or the larger of that particular size and match it up to whatever snake will be eating it.

There is no one size that everyone should feed. Feeding extra tiny meals is maintenance feeding IMO and I would rather not do that.

 

[SPJ]

I just noticed that what I call mediums are what the poll lists as larges.

 

[Jake The Snake]

Jake,

What exactly are "clannies"? As far as you wanting to take it to PM, it seems to me its because you don't want to come out what you did to get suspended (and almost permanently banned) and that what you said is the real reason behind your vendetta against people on "the unnamed" forum. I'm done discussing/debating/arguing it with you. Do whatever you like. I hope you are a huge success in your future endeavors!

I was more than ready to post what I said, I just didn't want to bring things up that have NOTHING to do with this forum in anyways at all. Anyone who would like to know what I got a temp. ban from this un named forum for, please feel free to PM.

I'm done arguing with you Jamie. I stated that there are plenty of ways to feed balls and I said that none were wrong, I'm going to leave it at that. This argument has turned into an "Oh lets make Jake look like a fool" when in reality, it has nothing to do with me, you, or anyone else looking like a fool. It was a feeding poll and it was blown into a completely off topic thread.

 

[Jake The Snake]

If feeding live, I go smaller to minimize risk BUT since the most here take f/t, there is nothing wrong IMO of feeding them a meal that is appropriately sized which means a medium rat.

The smalls I feed are roughly 60-70 grams.
The mediums I feed are roughly 130-150 grams.

Now that means my smallest snake which is 700 grams gets one small rat weekly and my largest which is 4000 grams gets one medium rat weekly.

Since there is a range in the sizes I take the smaller or the larger of that particular size and match it up to whatever snake will be eating it.

There is no one size that everyone should feed. Feeding extra tiny meals is maintenance feeding IMO and I would rather not do that.

Iknow you said IMO but I am going to disagree respectfully. Many keepers and breeders feed smaller meals for a variety of reasons some range from better clutches to longer lived snakes to healthier snakes. I don't think that any way to do it is wrong or right, I'll say what we have all been trying to say, do what works for you and your animals

 

[Dr Owens]

I didn't use absolute terms.

You don't? What would you call this?

There is not a SINGLE good reason to feed Ball Pythons anything bigger than a small rat.

Sounds pretty absolute to me...

I said, this is what I do. I said, this is what others do that work for them.

Except you said on the other forum that it was "amazing" how "wrong" Jake was.

Now you're contradicting yourself...

I'm pretty damn opinionated and how it comes across is open to interpretation.

It's fine to be opinionated, but when you're slamming somone else (for a valid opinion) because their way of doing things differs from your own...well, it's kind of ridiculous really. Especially when you're not all that experienced yourself.

As far as what I produced this past season, 6 clutches of Ball Pythons.

Case in point.

 

[jglass38]

You don't? What would you call this?
Sounds pretty absolute to me...

Except you said on the other forum that it was "amazing" how "wrong" Jake was.

Now you're contradicting yourself...

It's fine to be opinionated, but when you're slamming somone else (for a valid opinion) because their way of doing things differs from your own...well, it's kind of ridiculous really. Especially when you're not all that experienced yourself.

Case in point.

Owens, I couldn't give less of a crap what you think. I think I've made that pretty clear in the past. I'll call you if I have a little cough and need some advice. Or are you a doctor by diploma only?

 

[Dr Owens]

Owens, I couldn't give less of a crap what you think. I think I've made that pretty clear in the past.

Yeah, I know. You hate it when I point out that you don't have the experience to go around acting like a know-it-all. Perhaps you should stop doing it. LOL!

Or are you a doctor by diploma only?

No, Jamie. I take care of patients all day every day at a prestigious academic medical center.

What do you do? (Other than pretend to be something that you're not?)

 

[SPJ]

So, this girl that is in a tub measuring 33 inches long by 17 inches wide (which is pulled out all the way) should not be getting a 150 gram feeder?
I could never feed her one 40 gram feeder (unless it was 3 or 4 and I try to avoid multiples at a meal as much as possible). One feeder weekly weighing 150 grams is perfect for her.

It all boils down to feeding that works for your snakes. There is no ONE way.

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

Owens, I couldn't give less of a crap what you think. I think I've made that pretty clear in the past. I'll call you if I have a little cough and need some advice. Or are you a doctor by diploma only?

Its pretty amusing that you seemingly have absolutely no care in the world about how you compose yourself online.

Does it have to get so petty? Seriously....

 

[Cat_72]

I just noticed that what I call mediums are what the poll lists as larges.

My point exactly! Some of us could be feeding the same dang sizes, and just calling them different things....and arguing over it for no reason.

I see the quotes from the breeders, saying "I feed mediums" or "I feed larges".....by by whose standards are we measuring size?

I also think that some folks have a different definition of "maintenance feeding" than others. My understanding of such is feeding the proper amount to keep them at a steady, healthy level without growing too exceptionally quickly, but others seem to think that it means just feeding them enough to sustain. I think simple interpretation is a big factor in this whole discussion.

Though I honestly can say that I don't see a need to be feeding XXL rats (by RodentPro standards) or rabbits to BP, I think a lot of this pointless bickering about it is just that.....pointless. As long as the animal's health isn't suffering, why argue?

 

[Jake The Snake]

Either way, a medium or large will be over that 50 gram mark.

I tried to say the same thing Cathy, do what works best for your animal and I was "wrong" so I wanted to get oppinions from real people over here.

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

My point exactly! Some of us could be feeding the same dang sizes, and just calling them different things....and arguing over it for no reason.

I wanted to comment on this earlier and also say that i agree 100% with your thoughts on that. and think its also a very very good point to be making.
i dont weigh rats/mice when i feed, so i cannot say exactly what i am feeding, i am mostly just going off of how i feel about them when i look at the animal and their relation to the animal they are being fed to. and just call them as such from my own point of view.

If there was an actual standard to go by though, that would be very helpful! The Different weights and sizes from different producers is reminding me very much like the computer industries issues with figuring out a standard and sticking with it! Blu Ray Vs. HD if anyone follows such things of course, i wont let the geek take over this post anymore.

 

[Cat_72]

i dont weigh rats/mice when i feed, so i cannot say exactly what i am feeding, i am mostly just going off of how i feel about them when i look at the animal and their relation to the animal they are being fed to. and just call them as such from my own point of view.

Same here.....that's why I actually went out and weighed some this morning. I just eyeball the rats as I pick them out of the tubs, and choose what looks to be the proper size. I had no idea what weights they actually were.

RodentPro and Big Cheese have fairly similar weight standards for theirs, I usually tend to approximate them to their standards. I guess those are the only companies I've ever used for frozen feeders.

I will say though, if I'm short on a certain size, I do tend to always err on the side of caution and go a bit smaller than usual as opposed to going larger.

 

[Dr Owens]

I will say though, if I'm short on a certain size, I do tend to always err on the side of caution and go a bit smaller than usual as opposed to going larger.

Good call.

 

[jglass38]

Yeah, I know. You hate it when I point out that you don't have the experience to go around acting like a know-it-all. Perhaps you should stop doing it. LOL!


No, Jamie. I take care of patients all day every day at a prestigious academic medical center.

What do you do? (Other than pretend to be something that you're not?)

First off, I never pretended to be anything I am not. I never claimed to be a big breeder. I am a small hobbyist breeder with quite a bit of knowledge gained through my own personal experience and through working with and learning from good friends in the business.

Not that it matters, but I own an IT consulting business. But just as my Ball Python experience isn't sufficient in your eyes, I don't expect that will be either. But as I said, I couldn't care less what you think.

Best of luck in life!