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What would you do if you got sent IBD?
- Thread starter Chris Red
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The easiest way to get them on here would get the lab to
e-mail the lab results to you , or put them on word yourself, then copy paste to the forum.
What exactly happened, were they sent with obvious signs or did they develop later?
From a reputable dealer, small time dealer or otherwise?
And what were the snakes? boas? pythons?
Other conditions, such as mites, etc.?
Are the lab results pending or final now?
Post them when you get them back and don't forget to include the info as to what lab and such too.
There is a member here that recieved an unmarked package, that had an IBD infected snake in it. Since he has dealt with this, maybe he could give some advice.
e-mail the lab results to you , or put them on word yourself, then copy paste to the forum.
What exactly happened, were they sent with obvious signs or did they develop later?
From a reputable dealer, small time dealer or otherwise?
And what were the snakes? boas? pythons?
Other conditions, such as mites, etc.?
Are the lab results pending or final now?
Post them when you get them back and don't forget to include the info as to what lab and such too.
There is a member here that recieved an unmarked package, that had an IBD infected snake in it. Since he has dealt with this, maybe he could give some advice.
Ok...here is how the story goes...
So I bought a pair of Suriname Redtails from Bill Cagle off the class. at kingsnake. When they arrived I was less then happy so I called Bill to tell him. Bill said to watch them for a week and see how they did and if I wasn't happy he would send a new snake(the female was the one in question). So a week went by didn't eat and was having strange stool(green/yellow)..so I called him to let him know and he said that he knew after shipping them it was a bad idea and was so sorry he sent Them to me and would send me a snake from his" private collection" and if I wanted to keep the sick one and see what was wrong with it to go ahead.I also asked him were he got the snakes and he told me
(no need to say right now)he bought them from a dealer at the Atlanta show.
O.k. so the snake gets here and it looks fine....so I bring all three of them to the vet. The First one(male from the pair) probed out to be a female and looked ok but very thin.
The second(the one sent for replacement)....look great the vet said.....ok now the third one(the sickest one)...was full of parasites and worms and moving very slow. So we put her on antibiotics and wormed her. When I got home I called Bill and told him what the deal was on the so called male and we worked it out after much BS and he sent me a male that was nice,not wanting the other one back that should tell you somthing right there.... That night the female passed so I brought it to the vet. to have send off for lab report. Two weeks latter I get back the report and it had tested positive for IBD.
O.k. at this point I'm freaking out I house around 20 snakes...now the two snakes that were sent first were sold as a pair(really a trio so someone else out there bought the third from Cagle),shipped as a pair and house as a trio before I ever bought them....not only that the boxes he shipped in were old and beat up with six other labels on them...that can't be clean..so now I have one dead snake, one I'm sure has IBC poor looking snake and two good looking snakes I feel uncertain about...all this in less then one month....Chris
So I bought a pair of Suriname Redtails from Bill Cagle off the class. at kingsnake. When they arrived I was less then happy so I called Bill to tell him. Bill said to watch them for a week and see how they did and if I wasn't happy he would send a new snake(the female was the one in question). So a week went by didn't eat and was having strange stool(green/yellow)..so I called him to let him know and he said that he knew after shipping them it was a bad idea and was so sorry he sent Them to me and would send me a snake from his" private collection" and if I wanted to keep the sick one and see what was wrong with it to go ahead.I also asked him were he got the snakes and he told me
(no need to say right now)he bought them from a dealer at the Atlanta show.
O.k. so the snake gets here and it looks fine....so I bring all three of them to the vet. The First one(male from the pair) probed out to be a female and looked ok but very thin.
The second(the one sent for replacement)....look great the vet said.....ok now the third one(the sickest one)...was full of parasites and worms and moving very slow. So we put her on antibiotics and wormed her. When I got home I called Bill and told him what the deal was on the so called male and we worked it out after much BS and he sent me a male that was nice,not wanting the other one back that should tell you somthing right there.... That night the female passed so I brought it to the vet. to have send off for lab report. Two weeks latter I get back the report and it had tested positive for IBD.
O.k. at this point I'm freaking out I house around 20 snakes...now the two snakes that were sent first were sold as a pair(really a trio so someone else out there bought the third from Cagle),shipped as a pair and house as a trio before I ever bought them....not only that the boxes he shipped in were old and beat up with six other labels on them...that can't be clean..so now I have one dead snake, one I'm sure has IBC poor looking snake and two good looking snakes I feel uncertain about...all this in less then one month....Chris
Brian Oakley
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Chris,
I have to ask........why has your last name changed from what you use on the Boa forum? Just does not look right if you ak me.
Brian Oakley
I have to ask........why has your last name changed from what you use on the Boa forum? Just does not look right if you ak me.
Brian Oakley
Tony Basicas Weirdsnakes
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UNBELIEVEABLE !!!!!!!!!!
And NOW the rest of the story....
The 2 adult surinames Chris was sent where sold to him for $400 a reduced price because they where being sold as needing to be kept quarantined and less than perfect. Chris admits that not only did he not quarantine but when he received the new snake from Bills private collection he brought it and the sick snake TOGETHER to the vet effectively exposing the new snake to the sick ones that where suppose to be kept seperate !!! Bill has offered to make this deal right and now chris has ended up with 4 adult suriname redtails 2 from Bills private collection and he is still pissing and moaning without providing any form of proof either from his own vet, pictures of the passed snake or reports from the lab !!! If all of a sudden animals in his collection show up with IBD only one person can be blamed !!! Chris himself for not following any form of quarantine procedures.
Now was Bill incorrect in selling these animals as a pair..yes..did he make more than good on that mistake YES. Did he sell the original pair as high quality perfectly healthy animals NO NO NO!!!!
All I can say is
SELLERS BEWARE OF THIS BUYER !!!!!!!
He goes also by
Chris, Chris H and CDH on the boa forums on kingsnake. And now he appears to yet have another last name !!!!
SELLERS BEWARE SELLERS BEWARE
SELLERS BEWARE SELLERS BEWARESELLERS BEWARE SELLERS BEWARESELLERS BEWARE SELLERS BEWARESELLERS BEWARE SELLERS BEWARESELLERS BEWARE SELLERS BEWARESELLERS BEWARE SELLERS BEWARE
And NOW the rest of the story....
The 2 adult surinames Chris was sent where sold to him for $400 a reduced price because they where being sold as needing to be kept quarantined and less than perfect. Chris admits that not only did he not quarantine but when he received the new snake from Bills private collection he brought it and the sick snake TOGETHER to the vet effectively exposing the new snake to the sick ones that where suppose to be kept seperate !!! Bill has offered to make this deal right and now chris has ended up with 4 adult suriname redtails 2 from Bills private collection and he is still pissing and moaning without providing any form of proof either from his own vet, pictures of the passed snake or reports from the lab !!! If all of a sudden animals in his collection show up with IBD only one person can be blamed !!! Chris himself for not following any form of quarantine procedures.
Now was Bill incorrect in selling these animals as a pair..yes..did he make more than good on that mistake YES. Did he sell the original pair as high quality perfectly healthy animals NO NO NO!!!!
All I can say is
SELLERS BEWARE OF THIS BUYER !!!!!!!
He goes also by
Chris, Chris H and CDH on the boa forums on kingsnake. And now he appears to yet have another last name !!!!
SELLERS BEWARE SELLERS BEWARE
SELLERS BEWARE SELLERS BEWARESELLERS BEWARE SELLERS BEWARESELLERS BEWARE SELLERS BEWARESELLERS BEWARE SELLERS BEWARESELLERS BEWARE SELLERS BEWARESELLERS BEWARE SELLERS BEWARE
Your just looking.....look harder..."CDH" Christopher Dolph Henrich...Chris H.(short for my last name)..Chris Red is my working name(I'm a musician and Billy G. from ZZ top gave me the name and lots of people know me only to that name)...sorry it was to late I all ready registered.
Seller beware of what my money!!! I've bought snakes from many people and have never had a problem like this. I have nothing to hide...
Seller beware of what my money!!! I've bought snakes from many people and have never had a problem like this. I have nothing to hide...
Maybe it's elemental but I don't recognize the abreviation. Could someone explain me what is IBD please?
Thanks,
Daniel
Thanks,
Daniel
Here is some info on IBD:
IBD info from Dr. Jacobson in Florida
Basically it is an incurrable disease that mainly effects
boas and pythons.. sometimes called the boa Aids.
IBD info from Dr. Jacobson in Florida
Basically it is an incurrable disease that mainly effects
boas and pythons.. sometimes called the boa Aids.
HerpVenue
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HERE IS MY THING.
If I bought two snakes for $400 and they were sold to me to be imperfect and needing quarantine........I would not have bought them in the first place. But if I did...It would be okay. Because I quarantine all my snakes. (Well except for one)
Bill Sent to you two other "healthy" snakes to replace the sick ones.. So everything is a done deal. It is no longer his fault if you exposed the healthy ones to the sick ones.
Short story. You bought and paid for two (2) healthy snakes.
What you got in the end was two (2) healthy snakes. Yes you got some UNhealthy ones along the way. But he tried to make up for it by giving you some from his own collection.
Yes he was wrong for selling you snakes "with IBD" (which you have not proven) But he tried to make up for it by selling you healthy ones and you go and expose them to the sick snakes. (THAT IS NOT HIS FAULT)
And Tony wasn't saying beware of your money. He is saying beware of selling to you. Your husbandry techniques are not quite up to par. It means you are the type of customer that does not know the proper techniques of taking care of an animal.....hence any animal that gets sold to you CAN end up dying and you WILL end up blaming the seller.
Both parties are at fault in this case.
Bill made up for his part by sending you his own personall snakes.
As for you ....only thing you have done is to prove to everyone the following
1. you do not post with your full name and you use different ones. (If everyone knows your working name....then why use a different one on the other forum)
2. You do not have proper husbandry techniques. (Hence selling to you would be a bad Idea)
3. You can't Read. The rules of this forum clearly state that you have to post with your full first and last name.
4. You are quick to put the blame on other people. (Bill made a mistake of selling you two sick snakes...Now you wanna blame him for the other two and for the rest of your collection possibly getting IBD)
If I bought two snakes for $400 and they were sold to me to be imperfect and needing quarantine........I would not have bought them in the first place. But if I did...It would be okay. Because I quarantine all my snakes. (Well except for one)
Bill Sent to you two other "healthy" snakes to replace the sick ones.. So everything is a done deal. It is no longer his fault if you exposed the healthy ones to the sick ones.
Short story. You bought and paid for two (2) healthy snakes.
What you got in the end was two (2) healthy snakes. Yes you got some UNhealthy ones along the way. But he tried to make up for it by giving you some from his own collection.
Yes he was wrong for selling you snakes "with IBD" (which you have not proven) But he tried to make up for it by selling you healthy ones and you go and expose them to the sick snakes. (THAT IS NOT HIS FAULT)
And Tony wasn't saying beware of your money. He is saying beware of selling to you. Your husbandry techniques are not quite up to par. It means you are the type of customer that does not know the proper techniques of taking care of an animal.....hence any animal that gets sold to you CAN end up dying and you WILL end up blaming the seller.
Both parties are at fault in this case.
Bill made up for his part by sending you his own personall snakes.
As for you ....only thing you have done is to prove to everyone the following
1. you do not post with your full name and you use different ones. (If everyone knows your working name....then why use a different one on the other forum)
2. You do not have proper husbandry techniques. (Hence selling to you would be a bad Idea)
3. You can't Read. The rules of this forum clearly state that you have to post with your full first and last name.
4. You are quick to put the blame on other people. (Bill made a mistake of selling you two sick snakes...Now you wanna blame him for the other two and for the rest of your collection possibly getting IBD)
April,
Thanks for the info. By the way very useful web page.
Daniel
Thanks for the info. By the way very useful web page.
Daniel
I quarantined the two snakes..I never exposed the new ones to them..I have no idea what your talking about...it's not me I'm worried about...Cagle told me him self that one of the snakes he bought from the same dealer at the same show was in his breeding room already....breeding(lets see the show was in Dec. does that sound like oh...2 months)...he thought would make me feel better...now you tell me who has bad husbandry. He shipped both of them to me in the same beat up box....does that sound like they were quarantined before I got them....
What about the person who has the third one out of the trio...you think Bill Cagle called them and warned them that the snake is highly caring IBD.....
What about the person who has the third one out of the trio...you think Bill Cagle called them and warned them that the snake is highly caring IBD.....
HerpVenue
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Yes I got the copies. They look legit. We are now cool on that
When did you recieve your snakes?
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Cagle told me him self that one of the snakes he bought from the same dealer at the same show was in his breeding room already....breeding(lets see the show was in Dec. does that sound like oh...2 months)...he thought would make me feel better...now you tell me who has bad husbandry</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
YES. Two months is an acceptable time frame to some. It is with me.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">He shipped both of them to me in the same beat up box....does that sound like they were quarantined before I got them....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Okay what does that have to do with quarantine procedures? They came from the same person at the same show. They can be shipped in the same box. I have shipped five snakes in the same box before. What does that have to do with quarantine procedures.
The answer to your question of what would I do if someone sent me IBD.
I would ask that someone to send me Replacement snakes...end of story. IBD happens. It was not his fault. But I would definately ask him to replace the sick snakes. You cam e on here practically stating that he sent it to you knowing it had IBD,.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">not only that the boxes he shipped in were old and beat up with six other labels on them...that can't be clean..</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Go ahead and ask how many people reuse their boxes. I know I do. If a snake got shipped in a certain box and it proved to be sick....I would then throw away that box. Or I would spray it down real good with VIRAHOL. hospital grade antivirus.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I quarantined the two snakes..I never exposed the new ones to them</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">O.k. so the snake gets here and it looks fine....so I bring all three of them to the vet</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
So how did you quarantine them....by brining all three to the vet. Probably all in the same bag or box.
When did you recieve your snakes?
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Cagle told me him self that one of the snakes he bought from the same dealer at the same show was in his breeding room already....breeding(lets see the show was in Dec. does that sound like oh...2 months)...he thought would make me feel better...now you tell me who has bad husbandry</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
YES. Two months is an acceptable time frame to some. It is with me.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">He shipped both of them to me in the same beat up box....does that sound like they were quarantined before I got them....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Okay what does that have to do with quarantine procedures? They came from the same person at the same show. They can be shipped in the same box. I have shipped five snakes in the same box before. What does that have to do with quarantine procedures.
The answer to your question of what would I do if someone sent me IBD.
I would ask that someone to send me Replacement snakes...end of story. IBD happens. It was not his fault. But I would definately ask him to replace the sick snakes. You cam e on here practically stating that he sent it to you knowing it had IBD,.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">not only that the boxes he shipped in were old and beat up with six other labels on them...that can't be clean..</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Go ahead and ask how many people reuse their boxes. I know I do. If a snake got shipped in a certain box and it proved to be sick....I would then throw away that box. Or I would spray it down real good with VIRAHOL. hospital grade antivirus.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I quarantined the two snakes..I never exposed the new ones to them</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">O.k. so the snake gets here and it looks fine....so I bring all three of them to the vet</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
So how did you quarantine them....by brining all three to the vet. Probably all in the same bag or box.
Tony Basicas Weirdsnakes
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"O.k. so the snake gets here and it looks fine....so I bring all three of them to the vet. The First one(male from the pair) probed out to be a female and looked ok but very thin.
The second(the one sent for replacement)....look great the vet said.....ok now the third one(the sickest one)..."
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"I quarantined the two snakes..I never exposed the new ones to them..I have no idea what your talking about"
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So um which is it ? You brought them to the clinic together or let me guess you used 2 seperate cars, different exam rooms changed your clothes in between etc ?
Simply put Bill had a less than perfect deal with you, did he make it right, lets see you paid for 2 imperfect snakes and now have 3 adult snakes 2 exceptional specimens and you are still complaining and wanting more <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> I have no doubt you got the tests done and if it was IBD than yes Bill needs to let the other buyer know of the situation. The Board of Inquiry is a place to post about people with BAD dealings and in this case Bill seems to have made the deal good as quickly as he was able to...what more do you want <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>
The second(the one sent for replacement)....look great the vet said.....ok now the third one(the sickest one)..."
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"I quarantined the two snakes..I never exposed the new ones to them..I have no idea what your talking about"
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So um which is it ? You brought them to the clinic together or let me guess you used 2 seperate cars, different exam rooms changed your clothes in between etc ?
Simply put Bill had a less than perfect deal with you, did he make it right, lets see you paid for 2 imperfect snakes and now have 3 adult snakes 2 exceptional specimens and you are still complaining and wanting more <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> I have no doubt you got the tests done and if it was IBD than yes Bill needs to let the other buyer know of the situation. The Board of Inquiry is a place to post about people with BAD dealings and in this case Bill seems to have made the deal good as quickly as he was able to...what more do you want <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>
Brian Oakley
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Chris,
I am sorry, I am not going to get AS INVOLVED as I did on the boa forum, but I do have a question.
On the boa forum you said you wantd him to cover anything you lose in the next 2 years. A little much, but that is what you asked. With that said, you stated here that your snakes were never around your other snakes. If that is the case, why have you brought up how many snakes you own (20 you said) and why would he have to cover anythig that dies for 2 years?
Just curious.
Brian Oakley
I am sorry, I am not going to get AS INVOLVED as I did on the boa forum, but I do have a question.
On the boa forum you said you wantd him to cover anything you lose in the next 2 years. A little much, but that is what you asked. With that said, you stated here that your snakes were never around your other snakes. If that is the case, why have you brought up how many snakes you own (20 you said) and why would he have to cover anythig that dies for 2 years?
Just curious.
Brian Oakley
I brought them in bags...not the best way but all I had.
OK...the 2 year plan was a little crazy to ask for..he told me that if his snakes come down with IBD because of the other dealer that he would burn the other guys place down...so he knows it sucks I promise he is thinking about right now.. Cagle had been avoiding me...so I post and the next morning 8 a.m. he called ready to deal but he also told me he wanted to hire a P.I. find me and get a ticket to Houston...after much BS...he agred to send the money plus vet. bills if posted the whole truth I found out...he was mad at the party he bought from.. so anyway he just never pay-paled the money...he even told me he was going to send me heat packs and to just kill the sick one
OK...the 2 year plan was a little crazy to ask for..he told me that if his snakes come down with IBD because of the other dealer that he would burn the other guys place down...so he knows it sucks I promise he is thinking about right now.. Cagle had been avoiding me...so I post and the next morning 8 a.m. he called ready to deal but he also told me he wanted to hire a P.I. find me and get a ticket to Houston...after much BS...he agred to send the money plus vet. bills if posted the whole truth I found out...he was mad at the party he bought from.. so anyway he just never pay-paled the money...he even told me he was going to send me heat packs and to just kill the sick one
Greg Riso
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I think I've been scammed! In December I sent a beautiful Brazilian Rainbow to someone named Chris who claimed it was DOA. I was stunned because I had taken every possible precaution using two heatpacks in a highly insulated box and have never had any problems prior to this. The person stated that the snake was ice cold and stunk very badly. Mind you it took him 45 minutes to e-mail me to tell me the snake didn't make it after receiving it. I asked him to take a picture of it and he claimed he could only use his webcam and the snake stunk so badly his wife wouldn't let him bring it in the house. I then instructed him to put the snake in a ziplock bag so he could take a pic of it. I received a few pics which my girlfriend thought were very suspicious since the quality was so poor and it seemed the snake was being held in an odd position against its will. In other words it appeared it was still alive trying to right itself and being posed to look like it was dead. He told me the Rainbow was his Christmas present to his wife and she was looking forward to getting it so much and so on. I did what I felt I had to do and that was to immediately send him a replacement snake. All went well the second time around but I always thought that there must be scammers out there that get tons of free snakes in this manner. To me this situation with the Surinames where Chris expects Bill Cagle to be responsible for his whole collection if things go awry sounds like this type of individual. I don't know if this is the same person and the changing the last name thing sounds like he doesn't want people who've been scammed by him to recognize a pattern of ripoffs. I hope I'm wrong and if I am I'm sorry.
HerpVenue
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what was the guys last name and e-mail...is it the same person as this guy?
Hey Chris....if you practiced good quarantine procedures like you said you did.....why would he need to replace your whole collection? It has not even been a month......Your snakes should not have absolutley any contact with the sick ones
Hey Chris....if you practiced good quarantine procedures like you said you did.....why would he need to replace your whole collection? It has not even been a month......Your snakes should not have absolutley any contact with the sick ones