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what would you get 66% BWC x Motley het albino

The difference is that a DH sunglow is not a sunglow (so no, it isn't redundant).
DH = double het...in this case hypo, het albino (I know - on the face of it, calling them dh sunglows doesn't make sense; but once you have a better grasp on the genetics it will)
A sunglow is an albino hypo; a dh sunglow is a hypo het albino
 
hhmoore said:
The difference is that a DH sunglow is not a sunglow (so no, it isn't redundant).
DH = double het...in this case hypo, het albino (I know - on the face of it, calling them dh sunglows doesn't make sense; but once you have a better grasp on the genetics it will)
A sunglow is an albino hypo; a dh sunglow is a hypo het albino
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so when you dont say het in front of it, it means its a visual?

so a "sunglow is an albino hypo" means its visual albino visual hypo
and a " dh sunglow is a hypo het albino " means its a visual hypo with the recessive albino gene?

just trying to follow along.
correct me where im wrong.
 
Hypo in boas is a dominant mutation, there is no such thing as het hypo. If you breed a hypo to a normal that's het for nothing, you will produce hypos.

Theoretically, one boa could have a LOT of genes (it's not just half this, half that)
A moonglow jungle motleybesque (although I don't believe it's been produced) would be a boa that has all of these traits: anery, albino, hypo, motley, jungle, arabesque. The sky is the limit!

As Harald said, a sunglow is the name for a boa that is visual albino and visual hypo. A DH sunglow is a visual hypo (because hypo is always visual) that is het for albino.

I was going to try to make a punnet square for you on the dh sunglow x motley dh sunglow breeding but couldn't figure it out for you lol.
 
jk.mrdck said:
so when you dont say het in front of it, it means its a visual?

so a "sunglow is an albino hypo" means its visual albino visual hypo
and a " dh sunglow is a hypo het albino " means its a visual hypo with the recessive albino gene?

just trying to follow along.
correct me where im wrong.
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Correct.
 
RachelsBoa said:
Hypo in boas is a dominant mutation, there is no such thing as het hypo. If you breed a hypo to a normal that's het for nothing, you will produce hypos.

Theoretically, one boa could have a LOT of genes (it's not just half this, half that)
A moonglow jungle motleybesque (although I don't believe it's been produced) would be a boa that has all of these traits: anery, albino, hypo, motley, jungle, arabesque. The sky is the limit!

As Harald said, a sunglow is the name for a boa that is visual albino and visual hypo. A DH sunglow is a visual hypo (because hypo is always visual) that is het for albino.

I was going to try to make a punnet square for you on the dh sunglow x motley dh sunglow breeding but couldn't figure it out for you lol.
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VERY HELPFUL

so what all can a boa be het for?
and what all is just considered a dominant mutation?
 
if something cant be het for hypo

then what is the second het in a dh sunglow?

dh sunglow is an hypo het albino. is it just called DH because theres 2 H words het and hypo? or is it het for something else?

soo many questions, sorry.
just tryin to catch up
 
There is some disagreement about the classification of hypomelanism in boas - the trait doesn't match cleanly with the descriptions for codominant or dominant...I think the most accepted, and probably the most accurate, term is incomplete dominant. I'm not trying to confuse you more, Jake; but these are terms you will have to become familiar with if you want to understand the workings of these morphs.

Also, while it is true that there is not a normal appearing het hypo (in boa constrictors, that is - in many other species, hypomelanism is a simple recessive trait that does have a classic het form), that isn't the same as saying something can't be het hypo. Like it or not, a hypo IS a het...it is the heterozygous form of the so called super hypo. Therein lies the explanation for the double het part of dh sunglow...it doesn't mean that it is "het for hypo"; rather, that it is a heterozygous hypo.
 
Rachel, there is such thing as a het in hypomelanistic boas. The "non-super" hypos are nothing but heterozygous animals of that mutation. The homozygous form is what we refer to as supers. Double het sunglow is, in most cases, a very accurate description of what the animal is. The only difference between heterozygous in dominant and recessive genes is that the heterozygous animals in dominant genes are visibly different from normals.

In other cases, motleys and jungles are also the heterozygous forms of their respective genes. Heterozygous only refers to each side of the allele containing a different gene, hence the "Aa" in a heterozygous for albino.

Chris
 
thankyou guys for all of the info even if some of it is flying over my head now im sure ill come back to this thread.

but back to breeding with my motley 66%het albino

since shes a visual motley that would be passed into some of her offspring correct?
so if i were to breed her with the sunglows i linked to earlier
.these.
then i would be likely to get some sunglow motleys. and possibly some albino motleys?


what would the litter percentages look like if she was het for albino with the sunglow
and what would it look like if she wasnt het for albino with the same sunglow.
 
If the Motley is actually het albino, you should get motleys, albino motleys and sunglow motleys, normal looking hets, and normals.

If the motley doesn't prove out to be a het, you should get normals, motleys, hyopos, hypo motleys, and some indistinguishable hets mixed into that.



jk.mrdck said:
thankyou guys for all of the info even if some of it is flying over my head now im sure ill come back to this thread.

but back to breeding with my motley 66%het albino

since shes a visual motley that would be passed into some of her offspring correct?
so if i were to breed her with the sunglows i linked to earlier
.these.
then i would be likely to get some sunglow motleys. and possibly some albino motleys?


what would the litter percentages look like if she was het for albino with the sunglow
and what would it look like if she wasnt het for albino with the same sunglow.
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ok so i think ive got punnet squares fairly figured out.
and again please correct me where im wrong.

but what i havent figured out is all the symbols for different traits
( ie 'aa' = visual albino 'Aa' = het albino )

so i got one more question.

what would be the genotype for a motley 100% het albino
what would be the genotype for sunglow ( would it be 'aaHN' aa=visual albino HN=Hypo )
and then the genotype for a visual albino would be 'aa'

with those three in your opinion how would you pair.

would you pair motley het albino x albino to get albinos motley, albinos, and motley het albinos?
would you pair sunglow x albino and get albinos, and sunglows?
or would you pair motley het albino x sunglow and get albinos, motley sunglows, and motley het albinos? ( and this one i feel like im missing a possibility? because i cant figure out the genotype of a motley het albino. )
 
If your goal is sunglow motley, the sunglow is a good way to go. If your motley proves out to be het albino and using a nice round number like 24, the litter would approximately consist of 3 of each sunglow motley, sunglow, albino motley, albino, hypo motley het albino, hypo het albino, motley het albino, normal het albino.

If she doesn't prove out remove all visual albinos including sunglows and you're left with approximately 6 each of hypo motley het albino, hypo het albino, motley het albino, normal het albino

But as said before, if you're trying to prove out a het, breed it to a visual. The added bonus with going with a sunglow over the albino is the hypo influence in approximately half the litter.
 
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