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Whats the story on Craig Wyatt?

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Here are some examples of what I mean:

cinnamon head ball?
wannabe pastel jungle?
silver spot ghost?
<a href="http://www.kingsnake.com/market/python/messages/1574.html" target="_blank">Jungle?( I am sorry but this is NOT A JUNGLE BALL!!!!!&#33<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'></a>

Is this guy so desperate to have a name that he has to label every normal ball that he has with a weird name? That one he is calling a jungle is NOT a jungle, not like any of the genetic ones that I have seen anyway. Some of the stuff he had labled last month was ludicrous.

WHats next? a 'Doorknob blushing nosepicker ball'?

I just don't understand why there is a need to quacky labels on a obviously plain ball python. Some of the stuff he puts up is different, but most of the time its just rediculous.

So whats his story? anyone here deal with him? How did it go? He has had a couple of snakes that tempt me, but I kind of hesitate to buy from someone who does that silly naming stuff.
 
I've spoke to Craig numerous times on the phone, and we've done business together, also....I've found him to be nothing but honest, and a nice guy to boot! Just cause he lives in DC, doesn't mean he's totally nuts!! lol

So what's the difference WHAT he names his snakes?? They're HIS snakes??? He puts pictures of every animal in every ad....if you don't like what the picture looks like....don't buy it?? Or call him and discuss it...he's a very amiable guy! I have a friend of mine who names all his FISH!! So what??? That doesn't make him a bad guy at all....
Some of us (including myself) will call a Colombian Red-tail that has a lot of pinks throughout, a "Clown Boa"....A rose is a rose is a rose....
I really think you're making a mountain out of a molehill....Neil
 
I have to agree with Bill that the labels he puts on his balls are often somewhat rediculous. He's not naming them as in "This is Ralph the ball python", but he's labeling them with morph type labels.
While this annoys me personally, it is his buisness. It's not just with Craig, although he's probably the most prolific, but many dealers, alot of whom want to double or triple the price to boot. Just a side effect of everyone wanting to get a piece of the ball morph market whether legitimate or not.
Even worse though is when the seller adds, "This trait hasn't been proven but I'm SURE it's genetic."  In saying so that possibly induces a sale from a hopeful but unknowledgable newcomer to the ball scene. To his credit, Craig has not gone to that level that I have ever seen.

I have heard from several people that Craig is a fine guy to deal with, but I have no personal experience with him, admittedly somewhat due to this issue.
With me it is really just a pet peeve and extends to other species where useless labeling has become commonplace.
Particularly annoying with me is the latest trend of "wannabe" labels, wannabe spider, wannabe pastel, I mean come on they either are or they're not. It's not like the snake tried it's best to be a pastel but just couldn't get it right.
As Neil said though, they're his snakes to sell as he wishes. I can have my opinions about it, but he is providing pics of every snake and not ripping anyone off at all. Everyone who sees the pic can make his own decision whether the snake is worth the price. Just because I'm not buying them doesn't make any difference.

As a side note, just for fun a while back I decided to make a list of all the ball "morphs" I saw advertised, both known genetic and made up. Last time I looked there was 32 not counting the wannabes. Craig gets credit for about half of them.  <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

If the day comes in a couple of years when we start seeing "Het for wannabe pastel jungle" that will be the last straw.  <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>
 
Bill,

I have been in contact with Craig several times about some of his ball pythons. He has always being courteous and informative with his replies. If I don't agree with the price I just walk away. It is his prerrogative to ask what he feels his animals are worth, and mine to decide if I want to buy them or not.

He has some nice looking animals and I don't mind him calling them weird names. The only instance I might have a problem with is when someone uses the name of a proven morph on a normal ball python. Some examples are what people call pastels, jungles, and striped.

Cinnamon? Craig just said the head is cinnamon-colored and yes, I can see that from the picture. The coffee/cinnamon ball though (as named by Tracey Barker) is a completely different looking animal.

I just translate "wannabes" by "it reminds me of, but it is not". Nothing wrong with that. Silver spotted ghost? Well for once it is a ghost. It has some grayish spots, and that is as far as it goes.

Anyways, his animals are nice and I find the names he uses amusing as long as he doesn't claim he is selling a new morph and he doesn't overprice it because of that.

If he has what you like and it is not overly priced then go for it!

Best regards,  <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
 
Hey you guys,
I know Craig personaly... he is kinda funny with all the ball pythons names but then again Craig knows ball pythons.
This board is here for you to know if he is gonna rip you off or not right? (for the most part anyways) LOL
Just check out his ads, if you like the snake buy it, he will send it to you. You can't beat his prices so don't worry about the silly names..lol
I have spent several thousand with Craig ( I swear! and that's just this year) Everything was great.
John Staursky
 
Well Bill,

what i always have known was if i bred it i name it  
and if it looks completely  different from any other ball   i own or have seen  then its a  new snake  and i have the right to name it   as a possible new  morph   and craig has that right as well
i dont know craig personally  but i have had a few emails with him  and hes a great guy from what i have been able to tell
now if those names bother you sorry   i hate to hear that  
but its his right    and the term jungle ball  means only  a  jungleish pattern     which is  if its different from the mormal ALIEN PATTERNS    .. now if he said it was a  pastel jungle  then  well i would see your point  but jungle   is any odd pattern    you have the choice to buy them if not    again thats your chioce   like i said  if he bred it   he can name it what ever he wants  HOW DO YOU THINK THE MORPHS CAME TO BE THAT WE HAVE NOW    someone got them looked at them and named them  .....
personally  i have seen some of craigs ads  for his ball pythons  and i tell you what  they were some  georgous  ball pythons

you gaotta start somewhere when trying to find a new morph   so why cant  he do it  with out getting   dumped on for it   ......

just my 2 cents  

shawnTheVipersHouseReptiles&Exotics
 
oh and i pulled this off the site  BALLPYTHON.COM  from the experts of ball pythons   the SUTHERLANDS  and this is what they say about a classic JUNGLE BALL PYTHON
QUOTE:
Classic Jungle
All jungle ball pythons share some common characteristics. Light color irises, (at least half of the eye), a reduction in the black pattern and a light, well defined spot on the top of the head. They also must have flecks of black on the upper lip. As juveniles jungle ball pythons have outstanding coloration. As they mature their coloring does darken. As selective breeding continues it may become possible to produce jungle ball pythons that will retain more of their juvenile coloration into adulthood.


NOW READ THIS PART   OF THEIR DESCRIPTION OF A JUNGLE BALL

QUOTE:
They also must have flecks of black on the upper lip.



Well  Bill if you look at that picture  of CRAIGS ball  he claims to be jungle  you will see that perfectly clear deffinition of black  on the upper lip  . so in this case   i personally think he has a jungle ball    i mean they come in many  patterns  but i see the markings   and if the SUTHERLANDS say so i would have to concur   with craig on this 1  

just my 2 cents again

shawn
 
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (King Diamond @ June 09 2002,07:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Here are some examples of what I mean:

cinnamon head ball?
wannabe pastel jungle?
silver spot ghost?
<a href="http://www.kingsnake.com/market/python/messages/1574.html" target="_blank">Jungle?( I am sorry but this is NOT A JUNGLE BALL!!!!!&#33<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'></a>

Is this guy so desperate to have a name that he has to label every normal ball that he has with a weird name? That one he is calling a jungle is NOT a jungle, not like any of the genetic ones that I have seen anyway. Some of the stuff he had labled last month was ludicrous.

WHats next? a 'Doorknob blushing nosepicker ball'?

I just don't understand why there is a need to quacky labels on a obviously plain ball python. Some of the stuff he puts up is different, but most of the time its just rediculous.

So whats his story? anyone here deal with him? How did it go? He has had a couple of snakes that tempt me, but I kind of hesitate to buy from someone who does that silly naming stuff.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
OK, Brace yourself.  If I come off rude, I don't mean to.  I just get really tired of the "He's calling it a morph...he's trying to screw us consumers.  Let's kill him!!!!" crap that goes on at the Kingsnake BP forum all the time.

For one, Craig is THE MAN when it comes to cool looking Ball Pythons that haven't been proven yet...and occassionally, he'll come up with stuff that has been proven....and, he breeds some stuff too.


Here's my take on those ads...

1. Cinnamon Head Ball - The head is the color of cinnamon.  "Cinnamon Head Ball" fits pretty well in my opinion.  He never said it's genetic and he's asking $100.  It's $100!! Not $1,000.

2. Wannabe Pastel Jungle - What are you complaining about?  For one, he said wannabe, meaning it's not...it just reminds him of one.  For two, It's only $50.  I spend that on dinner and a movie.  C'mon guys...do you honestly think there's a conspiracy to take people's $50 and make them think they're getting the next big thing in Ball Pythons?

3. Silver Spot Ghost - This ball is a bona fide Butterscotch Ghost BP with silver spots on it.  What the heck would you call it? lol

4. Jungle - That animal has an aberrant, high contrast pattern and black mustache on light colored lips, etc.  Jungle is very fitting, IMHO.  It's $150...not huge money by anyone's standards.
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Personally, I scan the classifieds for Craig's ads.  I look forward to seeing them.  I figure, if anyone's going to post an ad for a BP that I might want, there's a 95% chance that it's gonna be Craig Wyatt.

If someone's gullible enough to believe that they're getting a really cool, proven genetic Ball Python for $150, they are the problem, not the guy selling the snake.  


And for these guys that breed albinos, pieds, and axanthics that are so against name calling...It's not like the guy asking $150 for an unproven morph is taking any business away from them.  Every time these guys  see an ad for a "different looking" or "odd" Ball Python, they think someone's claiming to have a new morph...and they say that it offends them.  

It's like they want the guys like Craig Wyatt to say "Oh my.  Well, since you spent more for yours than I did, you must be right...let me correct that immediately.  I would NEVER mean to offend you, Oh holy one."  Yeah right you guys...bite me.  These breeders need to grow up, wake up, chill out, and find something better to do with their time than pick on guys selling $150 Ball Pythons.

I don't care if the seller calls it a piebald...if he gives you a very clear picture of the animal he's selling and only charges you $150 for the snake, what else do you want?  It's nobody's fault but your own if you are crazy enough to assume that you're getting the next $10,000 Ball Python for $150.

Craig will NEVER claim something to be genetic unless it is. PERIOD.  

OK...I warned y'all I could get a little feisty.  Seriously though...If I did, I didn't mean to offend anyone. I just get a little hacked about that stuff and have to vent a little when it comes up.  Now I'm taking a deeeeep breath.  I feel better. lol


Here's a snake I got from him for like $75 or something (don't even remember because I had him send me several) a few weeks ago...If it's genetic, I'll have won the Ball Python Lottery...but you know what? If it's not, I won't feel cheated in any way, shape, or form.  It's an above average looking animal for a very, very reasonable price.
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Craig just posted this:

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">My first pastel clutch of the season just hatched and WOW am I happy!!! This litter was from my Graziani pastel male to plain jane female. I have males and females available and they are all as nice as the one in the pic or even better</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

This is the link:

http://www.kingsnake.com/market/python/messages/2103.html

This just demonstrates he calls a morph when it is really a morph.

The rest are just "odd names" used to describe what he sees in otherwise normal ball pythons. I don't see nothing wrong with that as he is not claiming anything about them.

Regards,  <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
 
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (alvaro @ June 10 2002,18:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Craig just posted this:

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">My first pastel clutch of the season just hatched and WOW am I happy!!! This litter was from my Graziani pastel male to plain jane female. I have males and females available and they are all as nice as the one in the pic or even better</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

This is the link:

http://www.kingsnake.com/market/python/messages/2103.html

This just demonstrates he calls a morph when it is really a morph.

The rest are just "odd names" used to describe what he sees in otherwise normal ball pythons. I don't see nothing wrong with that as he is not claiming anything about them.

Regards,  <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I'm working out a deal for a pair of those Graziani pastels (or at least one) as we speak.
 
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ajc @ June 10 2002,18:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (alvaro @ June 10 2002,18:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Craig just posted this:

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">My first pastel clutch of the season just hatched and WOW am I happy!!! This litter was from my Graziani pastel male to plain jane female. I have males and females available and they are all as nice as the one in the pic or even better</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

This is the link:

http://www.kingsnake.com/market/python/messages/2103.html

This just demonstrates he calls a morph when it is really a morph.

The rest are just "odd names" used to describe what he sees in otherwise normal ball pythons. I don't see nothing wrong with that as he is not claiming anything about them.

Regards,  <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I'm working out a deal for a pair of those Graziani pastels (or at least one) as we speak.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
This is what to buy if you want to KNOW that you're getting proven genetics for a decent price...but you won't get them for anywhere near $150.  Remember people, you get what you pay for...if you want proven genetics, it always costs more.

2120.jpg
 
I have a very huge and very awesome looking B.P. here. When the light hits it just right, her entire body has a blue sheen to it. So can I call her the neatest thing since graham crackers? *LOL* Can I possibly have a "new morph" here? I'm thinking of calling it the blue-light special!!! Sorry guys, I had to. Couldn't resist.

Seriously though, Craig's odd-ball names are what attracts me to his ads. IMHO, it is a very clever marketing tool. I might add, in all of his ads that I've seen, not once has he appeared to be deceptive. I say keep up the good work, Craig!!!
 
According to Craig inone of his ads I got my panties in a wad.

There goes ANY future deal between he and I, and believe me, I have been interested in a lot of his ball pythons. I just wanted to see what others have experienced with him in their deals and such before I took a step towards him b/c there are a lot of crooked peeps in this trade.

Btw Craig, I don't wear panties. What you behind closed doors is up to you tho.
 
Bill....I realize you're having a problem with the way Craig puts "names" on his Ball Pythons, but....YOU are the one that's losing out....Craig is honest and quick to deliver and his animals are top-notch! If I was into balls (I'm heterosexual, lol) I wouldn't hesitate to buy them no matter what he named them....Neil
 
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">There goes ANY future deal between he and I, and believe me, I have been interested in a lot of his ball pythons.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Bill,

I don't think this will affect in any way your dealings with him. You just posted an opinion and asked a question about him. Again if you like what he has, try him, he will not hold what you said against you.

Best regards,  <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
 
OK BILL  well i gate to say this  but  if you lost his business then no one to blame but yourself  you said you posted what you did to see if others had problems cause of alot of crooked people  hmmmmmmmmmm   no sorry i really dont buy that  cause in your post you were somewhat bashing him for his ball python names    and i quote  :
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 Posted: June 09 2002,08:11    

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Here are some examples of what I mean:

cinnamon head ball?
wannabe pastel jungle?
silver spot ghost?
Jungle?( I am sorry but this is NOT A JUNGLE BALL!!!!!!

Is this guy so desperate to have a name that he has to label every normal ball that he has with a weird name? That one he is calling a jungle is NOT a jungle, not like any of the genetic ones that I have seen anyway. Some of the stuff he had labled last month was ludicrous.

WHats next? a 'Doorknob blushing nosepicker ball'?

I just don't understand why there is a need to quacky labels on a obviously plain ball python. Some of the stuff he puts up is different, but most of the time its just rediculous.

So whats his story? anyone here deal with him? How did it go? He has had a couple of snakes that tempt me, but I kind of hesitate to buy from someone who does that silly naming stuff.

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Bill Bordello  


NOW  I DONT KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE  BUT THIS DOES NOT LOOK LIKE AN INQUIRY    LOOKS LIKE  A   LYNCH MOB ATTACK   IF YOU WANTED INQUIRY ON HIM  YOU WOULD HAVE CHOSEN YOUR WORDS BETTER   THIS WAS JUST A   SIMPLE ATTACK  ON HIM  CAUSE  YOU  DIDNT LIKE WHAT HE NAMED HIS BALL PYTHONS  IM SORRY TO BE THE ONE TO SAY THIS   BUT MOST OF THE TIME IM THE 1 WHO STARTS     WITH SAYING WHAT THEY THINK  AND SAYING IT  WITHOUT HESITATION .........

MAYBE NEXT TIME YOU WANT TO INQUIRE ABOUT SOMEONE  YOU MAY WANNA RETHINK  HOW YOU SAY IT  


JUST MY 2 CENTS
shawn
 
Yeah...Craig's a nice guy.  I talked to him on the phone after he put up that ad.  He was attempting to be humorous, but he was a little concerned that he might piss someone off...I told him to leave it...but I am not nearly as skin thinned as a lot of people, so I come across a little harsh at times myself.  He's not a jerk at all.  I've only bought from him one time (about to be two) and he treats me like I'm one of his best customers.  If you called him or emailed him about an animal and never mentioned that it was you, he'd probably never even know...and if he did know, I guarantee you that it would never affect any deal you guys make.  


The guy sells TONS of BPs...he doesn't have time to hold grudges.  Craig is about being honest, yet aggressive in his advertising.  He sells just about every animal he posts on Kingsnake.  Unfortunately, people back out every now and then, so he sometimes has to re-post ads.
 
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (TheVipersHouse @ June 10 2002,23:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">NOW  I DONT KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE  BUT THIS DOES NOT LOOK LIKE AN INQUIRY    LOOKS LIKE  A   LYNCH MOB ATTACK   IF YOU WANTED INQUIRY ON HIM  YOU WOULD HAVE CHOSEN YOUR WORDS BETTER   THIS WAS JUST A   SIMPLE ATTACK  ON HIM  CAUSE  YOU  DIDNT LIKE WHAT HE NAMED HIS BALL PYTHONS  IM SORRY TO BE THE ONE TO SAY THIS   BUT MOST OF THE TIME IM THE 1 WHO STARTS     WITH SAYING WHAT THEY THINK  AND SAYING IT  WITHOUT HESITATION .........

MAYBE NEXT TIME YOU WANT TO INQUIRE ABOUT SOMEONE  YOU MAY WANNA RETHINK  HOW YOU SAY IT  


JUST MY 2 CENTS
shawn</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Yeah, b/c you know all fifteen of me were attacking him in a lynch mob fashion. *rolls eyes*

All caps is rude, btw.
 
Ok, here is the story on Craig Wyatt....
He grew up a poor white boy in...LOL... wait that's not what you mean, you want to talk about how he names his balls!
Well, me and Craig met in prison back in the 70's and we decided we were gonna come up with all these cool ball pythons names in the year 2000 and take over the world!!!
ha ha ha
Seriously though, Craig is a good guy.. the names are just a description so you don't waste your time clicking on something you might not be interested in. So does that answer your question on what the deal is? Or is it something else you wanted to know? Are you asking if he's gonna rip you off? If so, the answer is no, I will put MY name on it (small as it may be) Don't let the panty comment get to ya, guys that sell reptiles all the time get a little frustrated with people sometimes, I know I sure do..lol
As far as Balls go.. Craig tried to name my balls one time and I had to ask him to leave and cut off his beer supply..LOL
ha ha ha ha (just kidding, I'm heterosexual also Neil, so don't get any ideas) ROFL
Have fun arguing you all <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
John Staursky
 
I have never delt with Craig, but after all of the nice comments on him, I wouldn't hesitate to! He has some super looking snakes and I don't see anything wrong with him naming them. His prices are reasonable and he isn't claiming them to be genetic, just super nice animals and I think the pics speak for themselves. With all of the ball pythons posted at kingsnake, I think it's a good way to grab someones attention that isn't looking for the average looking BP.
 
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