Which Fool Should I Vote For? Bush or Kerry?

[bpc]

Wow, sorry about all the typos! Doing too many things at once.

 

[CAV]

This garbage about Bush did this or Bush did that is just wrong.

It's plain and simple folks. Bush is spending more money than he has. He continues to buy votes, and politcal backing by cutting taxes even though he has put this country into deficit spending which will take DECADES to recover from. I mean it's so bad, that even the bright shining democrats are saying they can't fix it in 4 years! When have you ever heard a democrat say they can't fix something if given four years?

Your understanding of the political process is simply incorrect. The Legislative Branch has the sole responsibility to both levy taxes and direct spending. The Executive Brach has zero input other than a veto.

I see no dangers from either candidate when come to guns. Yeah, Kerry might not want you to have a 100 shot magazine for your pistol. But he's not going to take away your pistol. And you should be able to hit your target w/ at least one of the first 15 bullets anyway.

This was meant to be a joke right? Kerry voted to outlaw many of the most common handguns in the world and also decided for you that even 15 rounds was too many.

Edwards said last night that they would not raise taxes on anyone making less than 200k per year

And we all know that politicians never promise one thing then do something else. How do we know they are will? BECAUSE BOTH SENATORS VOTED AGAINST THE TAX CUTS THAT EVEN THE MIDDLE CLASS RECEIVED! The Democratic party has a historic record of raising taxes during their tenure in the White House. Surely you wouldn't try to deny that......

 

[Alias47]

I spent my $400 bucks on stuff for my kids brithdays that was probably made in China.

How does THAT help the economy?
Now if you say I should be spending my money on American made products, I do...whenever possible...when was the last time you bought toys that were manufactured in the US?

I am a firearm owner...I will remain one until they pry my firearms from my cold, dead hands, to borrow a quote . I am afraid of what the democrats will do...HOWEVER...the president can't pass the legislation only veto it (just like with the taxes and spending ) so it is not my main concern. (James Brady...a REPUBLICAN...has been more detrimental to gun ownership in this country than ANYONE). My concern is the direction this country is headed in the world theater.

We are isolating ourselves through the choices this presidency is making for our positions in global concerns. This is going to come back to haunt us.

 

[bpc]

Gary, if the excutive branch has nothing to do with it way does everyone call it the "Bush tax cut." If they have nothing to do with it, why is Bush taking credit for it?

It's not a joke, Kerry is a gun enthusiast. Now I don't know or care about his vote for the ban on assault weapons. I'm guessing from your post that he voted for it. GOOD. There is no weapon on that list that you, I, or even Ken Harbart can't live w/o. That 12 gauge, or the SKS, or the 30.06, or any one of the other hundreds of guns you can go buy are more than enough for you to go "hunting" with.

Yeah, you're right about broken promises. But ya know what, at least Kerry has made some. Bush, does whatever he wants, whenever he wants, and is never wrong about anything. Just ask him. We know what we get w/ Bush, and it sucks. Give someone else a chance!

 

[Alias47]

I live in Illinois...our current Governor Rod Blagojevich (BLAG-OY-A-VITCH), a democrat, is a gun owner...and stated this OVER and OVER during his campaign...now he is trying to pass legislation (TRYING...just like the president does, in most cases) that would be HUGELY detrimental to gun owners as well as the entire hunting industry (almost everything you hunt in Illinois requires the use of a shotgun [including deer, slugs only] and his proposal would ban 12 and 20 gauges on size alone).

I worry about this from a democrat...

HOWEVER...Bush is destroying this country.
And no presidential power..it all rests with the legislative branchs? CONSTITUTIONALLY, this is correct...but Bush has done more to advance Executive Power, with NO system of checks and balances (the reason the Constitution was drawn up in the first place) than ANY president.
You really think he has zero control over spending?
Or taxes.

That is Bush hiding behind his smoke and mirrors...and you falling for it.

 

[sirenofthestorm]

Well I wouldn't say Gee Dubya has done the most to expand presidential power ever, that goes to FDR, definitely. But the civil works project, social security, those things were meant to pull our heads out of our butts after the speculatory and nationalistic markets of the 20s, not further the vicious cycle of debt and inflation like what's happening now.

And I agree with Alias, we need to sort out immediate security and monetary issues and then we can deal with social issues like guns, gay marriage, abortion, vouchers, etc. First things first is how I learned it.

Oh and supreme court justices... the court can be loaded to contain however many justices the Pres sees fit to appoint and the Senate sees fit to confirm, the Constitution doesn't specify a minimum or maximum, only that there must be a Chief Justice. Another technique FDR used to get his "social programs" approved was threatening to load the courts with judges that agreed with him. But, that doesn't mean that being on the Supreme Court doesn't change how a person votes. For example, Justice Souter was appointed by Bush Sr but is one of the liberal/libertarian judges on the court.

And last but not least CAV, you said, and I quote "Your understanding of the political process is simply incorrect... The Executive Brach has zero input other than a veto." While this is true if all you do is read the Constitution, if you take into account the politics of it all, the president (or the most powerful person in the dominant political party, or if we lived in the USSR, the secretary of the communist party, etc) gets his agenda accomplished through the use of lackeys.

 

[CAV]

It is a shame that truth no longer matter in this country

It is now clear that the potential for an educated and informed debate on this thread is no longer possible or desireable.

I urge everyone to at least exercise you right to vote, regardless of your political views. Good luck to all.

 

[Alias47]

CAV...thank you for an informative and compelling discussion.
It has truly been a pleasure.


I think I will bow out as well...

If you aren't here it changes the playing field.
I am not getting the information that I don't know from a reliable (albeit biased) source ike yourself.

Thanks again.

Derek

 

[bud mierkey]

looks like all the whiners lost bush took it hahahah

no discussion needed bush won!
though i don't agree with him 100%
kerry would have been a worse choice!

 

[LakesideBoas]

Wtf????

How long did it take you to ressurect this smelly old horsey? Bet you gave it mouth-to-mouth too.

Are you really so bored or such an attention whore you must branch out beyond Hell to contaminate the rest of the forum?

::Sheesh::

 

[Lee Herps]

lol. This thread is funny

 

[Ken Harbart]

For those who might have missed it, have still been voting in this poll, and bumping it to the top, the election was eight months ago. If y'all haven't figured out who to vote for by now, you're a bit too late.