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Wild Wild West - Part 2

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If one has a private forum and is a mod thereof, does one get some special dispensation as a mod or is one the same for all intents and purposes as those regular members who do not have private forums?
 
Stardust said:
I do have a question.
What about the paid for forums? I do not want people there afraid to post. Are they safe havens?
I am thinking they are not, just would like it verified.
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No, there are no special protections for posts within personal forums. That would add another complexity to the mix that I didn't feel was warranted. And to be honest, the personal forums are not extra HELL forums anyway, and are subject to many of the rules that apply elsewhere here. For instance, no one could hole up in a personal forum and use profanity nor take abusive pot shots at other members and reasonably expect to be immune from penalties.
 
Laura Fopiano said:
How will said members be chosen??
Will they be the current forum mods or a combination?
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I'm not sure I understand the question....... Members chosen for what?
 
Wilomn said:
If one has a private forum and is a mod thereof, does one get some special dispensation as a mod or is one the same for all intents and purposes as those regular members who do not have private forums?
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Sorry, but no. A personal forum is simply your own personal space on this site, of which you are moderator of. When I refer to "moderators" in the posts above, this is referring to SITE mods (Jay Owens, Dennis Thomas, and Ken Harbart).
 
I'm tending to agree with Kelli, this is going to stir things up. Is it going to eventually become a positive thing? Is it going to be something that Rich will be pulling the plug on shortly after he has pulled his last hair out of his head?Only time will tell.

Instead of "warning points" maybe you could call it something like "Peer Points" or "what your peers think".
 
Laura Fopiano said:
How will said members be chosen??
Will they be the current forum mods or a combination?
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Your ability to issue warning points and the weight they carry will be based upon your membership level.
 
Stardust said:
Seamus,
Lucille was referring to me. As I took off some of my posts as well. It was during the time of Al and Chris. After taking off a few I said "forget it" basically to myself and stopped, hence most of my posts are still there. I am still guilty of doing it when it was available to do so.

Lucille,
It is this exact thing of trying to bring someone else into it that gives you a bad look. You may just want to think before you type. I have no problem with admitting that I did some as well nor do I have a problem with saying I over re-acted and was wrong to do so.

As far as this whole new thing on here goes, I am not seeing a lot of good coming from it, but it will be a good show to say the least.
Good luck one and all.
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Rozann, I was pointing out that two people can have a similar reaction to a perceived threat, as you and I did. Seamus pointed out his thought about biased applications of rules.
I think points like this bear discussion; while the new system is a done deal, thoughtful ideas about its application and misapplication are natural responses.
I am curious as to whether this application has been used in other online communities besides Craigslist?
 
As far as I'm aware, this is totally different than the system used on Craigslist.
 
Cat_72 said:
As far as I'm aware, this is totally different than the system used on Craigslist.
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On Craigslist, posts are actually removed by community effort; the similarity is that there have to be a number of people working together to effect a change.
 
lucille said:
On Craigslist, posts are actually removed by community effort; the similarity is that there have to be a number of people working together to effect a change.
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Being a "group effort" is the only slight similarity I see to anything done on Craigslist.....nothing else is remotely the same, lol.
 
I agree with you Cat although I made my comments on it in the thread I started as I believe, if reading this correctly, Rich wants this thread for suggestions on rules mainly.
 
I had a couple of questions when I was reading through this last night (and earlier this morning)...unfortunately, they have left me for the time being.
Can we zap people in chat? :rofl:

Should be interesting to watch.
 
hhmoore said:
I had a couple of questions when I was reading through this last night (and earlier this morning)...unfortunately, they have left me for the time being.
Can we zap people in chat? :rofl:

Should be interesting to watch.
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ahahaha!! thats just awsome! Id like this feature as well!
 
lucille said:
I am curious as to whether this application has been used in other online communities besides Craigslist?
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My programmer mentioned that something similar to what I proposed to him is being used on another site and is apparently being successfully applied there. I don't remember if he gave me a link to it or not.

As for Craig's List, I think I have only been there once, and only to look around at the structure of the site. So I can't comment too much on the ebb and flow of posts and members there.

In the case of this site, having members have the capability of removing post, especially in the BOI, which is where I think most of the issues will arise, is obviously not a feasible plan. Besides, that only addresses the symptoms and not the cause of the problems. How long would a group of people continue doing that before being overwhelmed with frustration at the futility of their efforts and just give up trying?

Here I am asking you all what rules do you want to have enforced, and then am giving YOU the power to help enforce those rules at the root of the problem. This will no longer be MY own doing, which many people feel is lacking in effectiveness. So I am giving you all the opportunity to show me how you would do it any better than I have been doing. SHOW ME how easy it is to do, please.

And yes, to some people, this may very well be the equivalent of handing them a rope to wrap around their own neck. If you abuse the system, you could very well get enough points in retaliation to get yourself booted out of here because of it. The power will most CERTAINLY be implicit within the system......... :reddevil:
 
Im copying this from the other thread on this subject.

I personally, dont think peoples names should be attached to the Bad Points, or whatever were calling them, Peer points? This only Drives people to target the one person who sent it in the first place and get their "posse's" to gang up. It should be anonymous, this way, noone can be singled out except for the person who actually broke a rule.

I also agree with the limit on how many times you can be punished for breaking one rule.


How long with the rep points last for? will they fade over time, or will they eventually, just build up and build up even after years and years of posting and remaining civil?
 
hhmoore said:
Can we zap people in chat? :rofl:
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Well, no, not exactly. But I guess I should consider a warning point for that as well.

One of the snags in this system is that it is a post oriented system. In other words, as written, it was designed to apply warning points based on an actual post someone has made on this site. That makes it difficult to apply this system to rule infractions that are not based on a post made within a forum. The drawback to non-post infractions is that the inherent auditing system will not be available for someone to easily determine if there is abuse taking place. So there is the possibility that when the final edition hits the presses, those types of warnings will NOT be included in the system for that reason. That, of course, would mean that I would have to remove "Warning system abuse" as well, which does have some positives associated with it as well as negatives. Certainly it may make things cleaner in that it would likely reduce retaliatory warnings somewhat.

But that is what this thread is about. For me to use you all as a sounding board to figure out what sort of enforceable rules are logical and reasonable to have YOU try to enforce here.
 
Mooing Tricycle said:
Im copying this from the other thread on this subject.

I personally, dont think peoples names should be attached to the Bad Points, or whatever were calling them, Peer points? This only Drives people to target the one person who sent it in the first place and get their "posse's" to gang up. It should be anonymous, this way, noone can be singled out except for the person who actually broke a rule.

I also agree with the limit on how many times you can be punished for breaking one rule.


How long with the rep points last for? will they fade over time, or will they eventually, just build up and build up even after years and years of posting and remaining civil?
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I rather like the idea of people who give points to be accountable for their actions and reasoning. As Rich and the mods were accountable so should we if this is going to work. It may also deter people from just giving points when they are upset and possibly make them think about what they are doing before they do it.
 
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