Wild Wild West - Part 2

[Laura Fopiano]

There is nothing here that has happened to you or your mods that you cannot seriously blame on anyone other than you. It's your site, everything that happens is your responsibility.
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Wes, you have been my friend for a bit, many here know that, however, I have to strongly disagree with that paragraph.

Being a member here is a privilege and not a right.

We as the members here, who chase the bad guys, get hit with positive and negative reinforcement from our peers, should absolutely take responsibility for our written words. Are we not what we write for the most part?

This is a very hot topic and one that I do not see an easy or happy ending to.

 

[KelliH]

I think it could work if a select group of members were chosen, similar to an election of sorts. Say a member would like to be one of the "warning point posse", the member could state their intentions or reasons why they could hold such a position of authority, and the other members could vote them in. That could prevent an all out "warning point assault"....just a thought.

If a select group is chosen, great, maybe they should be called moderators and they can enforce the rules of the site as mods do.

 

[Wilomn]

Wes, you have been my friend for a bit, many here know that, however, I have to strongly disagree with that paragraph.

Being a member here is a privilege and not a right.

We as the members here, who chase the bad guys, get hit with positive and negative reinforcement from our peers, should absolutely take responsibility for our written words. Are we not what we write for the most part?

This is a very hot topic and one that I do not see an easy or happy ending to.

I must disagree in part. Yes, it is a priviledge to be a member.

However, Rich is the owner, the originator, the guy who can pull the plug.

HE has to decide for himself if it is too much to deal with not lay it off on the membership.

He's tried restricting membership and banning members and policing members.

Now it seems as though he's throwing the wolves to the hyenas, the killers to the scavengers, so to speak.

It's his right, it's his site.

Just as it's my right to speak my mind so long as I stay within those loosely associated words that are the guidlines for behaviour here.

I'm not trying to be rude but who is ultimately responsible for every single thing that happens here?

The guy who can stop it all, that's who.

 

[WebSlave]

Its comments like this that make me wonder what your true reasons are for implementing something like this. Are you trying to improve the qulaity of this site or just share your pain with others?

Bart

Both. Perhaps that is what is necessary at this point because I am just not willing to do it any longer. So I'm handing over the keys to you all (those who qualify), to try to do better than I did with it.

Good luck!

 

[WebSlave]

IF you really don't like it that much, either delegate or abidicate but the complaining does get sort of worn. We ALL know that you get crap and that some of it is undeserved.

Welcome to Life 101.

Nope I don't like it that much at all. See my previous post as to your suggesting I delegate. THAT is exactly what this is all about. I thought most people would see it that way.

 

[Laura Fopiano]

Honey you're not being rude, you're just being you as I am being me.

Rich is the one who gets all of the whinny emails, they are looking to him for some kind of answer that he may not have. Hell, I raised 5 children that were 2 years apart in age, I had to listen to every single complaint, from the washer to how come they get more than me? I wanted to tear my hair out at times.

But who are the wolves and who are the hyenas?


Guess we will all soon have answers to all of the questions.

 

[Mike Greathouse]

What's the old adage?

You can please some of the people, some of the time...

Well maybe not.

Rich,
You'll be damned by some, no matter what you do.
You might as well have some fun while doing it.
I have seen the light and expect no more from the goings on here, other then the entertainment value.
Any real content will be perceived as a bonus.

Turn loose the wolves and let's all have some fun.

 

[WebSlave]

I must disagree in part. Yes, it is a priviledge to be a member.

However, Rich is the owner, the originator, the guy who can pull the plug.

HE has to decide for himself if it is too much to deal with not lay it off on the membership.

He's tried restricting membership and banning members and policing members.

Now it seems as though he's throwing the wolves to the hyenas, the killers to the scavengers, so to speak.

It's his right, it's his site.

Just as it's my right to speak my mind so long as I stay within those loosely associated words that are the guidlines for behaviour here.

I'm not trying to be rude but who is ultimately responsible for every single thing that happens here?

The guy who can stop it all, that's who.

Yes, that seems to be correct. So I am trying THIS now. So what was your argument about?

Delegate means to turn over functions to some people to do that work as agents of my will. Abdicate means to quit completely and effectively turn over control to one or more individuals in some sort of formal manner. Isn't that what I am doing? Abdicating my position of nearly sole receiver of headaches to all that I am delegating this function now?

As someone once pointed out to me, why should I pull the plug on this site when so many other people find it useful? That made a lot of sense to me. So with that in mind, I am trying to kill a bunch of birds with one stone with this new method of dealing with the headaches around here. And yes, some are not going to like it much, for certain.

Yeah, before, all someone had to do was to avoid pissing off the moderators and myself. Now (when this becomes active) they quite likely need to be circumspect about pissing off a whole lot more people who are carrying the same stick to whack them with. Yeah, it certainly will make life a bit tougher for them, I guess. But guess what? If that is what people want here, they will NOW have the ability to make it that way.

Did you ever see that old movie called "Screamers"? I really like the part when they were asked how they started up that factory to make those robotic creatures that defended the one side. The guy said something on the order of "We just pressed the STARTS button, and ran!"....

Welcome to the Wild Wild West, I guess..... I'm just handing those who want it, their own Colt .45.

 

[WebSlave]

What's the old adage?

You can please some of the people, some of the time...

Well maybe not.

Rich,
You'll be damned by some, no matter what you do.
You might as well have some fun while doing it.
I have seen the light and expect no more from the goings on here, other then the entertainment value.
Any real content will be perceived as a bonus.

Turn loose the wolves and let's all have some fun.

Exactly, Mike! I made my pitch to make this a credible and professional site via rules and enforcement that I perceived as necessary to reach that goal. That was soundly rejected, but at least I made my shot at it. That told me volumes about what people really want here. And truth be known, it was no fun at all in making that attempt. So now, I plan to doodle with the programming in the background and do what pleases ME here. Yes, I plan to make this site fun and enjoyable for ME. So I am offloading (delegating) those parts which cause me the most headaches. No one has to accept that baton, of course, but afterwards don't blame me because it was too hot for you to grab hold of.

Will all of the members be fair in how they treat this new found power to shape this site? I doubt it. But like the game of Life I mentioned in the original post, it is going to be interesting to see how things play out here and what the results will be. The question you all need to be asking yourself is are YOU ALL up to the task to handle something like this?

 

[Wilomn]

So, by this abdication and delegation are you OUT of the picture? Or, will you be hovering in the background, still making decisions and pulling strings?

Is this daycare without adult supervision or is grandpa only pretending to be asleep in his rocker?

It sort of seem like you're saying both, that it will be as it will and you'll let it go UNLESS or UNTIL ......

Not that it makes much difference, I just like to have things as plainly stated as possible. Less equivocation later that way.

 

[Dragondad]

Rich you have handed some a .45 but you forgot the all important disclaimer that "be careful because when pointed down you can shoot yourself in the foot".

There are those who can learn to deal with being moderated by peers, there are those who will stick to the their guns no matter what, and the last group and more than likely the one that makes the most noise are the ones that don't seem to ever get that they have done something that others don't like.
The problem I see is you have handed the last group not only the means to be punished but the ability to punish and I just don't know if they have the common sense to realize what they are doing.

One question and I know it was asked but don't remember seeing an answer, will the point be perpetual or will they roll off after a set period of time? Six months, one year type of thing. I would think they should roll off.

 

[Wilomn]

The other question I'd like an answer to is can points be lessoned by agreement from other members or is this just a one way road?

It 10 are against and 3 are in favor of, is the score 10 or 7?

 

[KelliH]

Rich,
You'll be damned by some, no matter what you do.
You might as well have some fun while doing it.
I have seen the light and expect no more from the goings on here, other then the entertainment value.
Any real content will be perceived as a bonus.

I can't possibly disagree with that. It's gonna be a wild ride!

 

[WebSlave]

So, by this abdication and delegation are you OUT of the picture? Or, will you be hovering in the background, still making decisions and pulling strings?

Is this daycare without adult supervision or is grandpa only pretending to be asleep in his rocker?

It sort of seem like you're saying both, that it will be as it will and you'll let it go UNLESS or UNTIL ......

Not that it makes much difference, I just like to have things as plainly stated as possible. Less equivocation later that way.

I will do whatever I deem necessary and prudent under the specific circumstances. But in most cases when someone brings their squabbles to me, I will just ignore them. If you have a glass jaw, don't throw punches at others.

 

[Wilomn]

I will do whatever I deem necessary and prudent under the specific circumstances. But in most cases when someone brings their squabbles to me, I will just ignore them. If you have a glass jaw, don't throw punches at others.

An excellent non-answer.

And so it continues.

 

[WebSlave]

Rich you have handed some a .45 but you forgot the all important disclaimer that "be careful because when pointed down you can shoot yourself in the foot".

That is a learning curve some will have to figure out on their own.

There are those who can learn to deal with being moderated by peers, there are those who will stick to the their guns no matter what, and the last group and more than likely the one that makes the most noise are the ones that don't seem to ever get that they have done something that others don't like.
The problem I see is you have handed the last group not only the means to be punished but the ability to punish and I just don't know if they have the common sense to realize what they are doing.

To some I am saying "Here's your sign." and to others "Here's your rope.". To the rest "Use your peacemakers wisely."

One question and I know it was asked but don't remember seeing an answer, will the point be perpetual or will they roll off after a set period of time? Six months, one year type of thing. I would think they should roll off.

It's been answered already. Points are accumulated indefinitely. But the Fine & Suspension level will be high enough that it will take someone pretty dense to not get the hint before being thrown over the cliff.

 

[Mike Greathouse]

I wonder who will be the first person outed!

 

[WebSlave]

The other question I'd like an answer to is can points be lessoned by agreement from other members or is this just a one way road?

It 10 are against and 3 are in favor of, is the score 10 or 7?

One way street.

Think of it in the manner of my deputizing the members here. They are enforcing the rules and will hand out citations when infractions are noted. Just as in real life, they do not hand out negative citations that will remove earlier ones for something.

The site moderators and myself have never voted on whether something was a rule infraction or not. And in fact we ALL could have given warning points for a single infraction, although we tried hard not to do that. This sort or restriction does not apply in this new system. Matter of fact, it was designed to work in such a way that if a post someone makes ROYALLY pisses off a bunch of people, that member could conceivably be ousted immediately via overwhelming public opinion. Far fetched, but it is entirely possible to have happen.

 

[WebSlave]

An excellent non-answer.

And so it continues.

Yeah, I know Wes. You would prefer to know where the line is so you can snug your toes up as close as possible to it.........

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

I wonder who will be the first person outed!

Should we start a Pool?