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Inquiry William Wohlers?

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Hi, I was cruising around kingsnake and came upon one of Will's ads. The thing is he is unable to provide any pics of what he's selling which leads me to wonder about his confidentiality. I was wondering if anyone has done any business with the guy and has any word about him. Maybe I'm just being too skeptical, I don't know. :shrug01:
Anyways any word on him would be great, thanks.
 
Not too skeptical...everyone and their brother has a phone with a camera, and photobucket is free. Even if he doesn't everyone else he knows does.
 
Hi, I was cruising around kingsnake and came upon one of Will's ads. The thing is he is unable to provide any pics of what he's selling which leads me to wonder about his confidentiality. I was wondering if anyone has done any business with the guy and has any word about him. Maybe I'm just being too skeptical, I don't know. :shrug01:
Anyways any word on him would be great, thanks.
Here is my motto, if they can not take a few pics for you they dont get your money :thumbsup:
 
Some dbl het caramel glows and dreamsicles. I contacted him however and he was able to provide pics of lavenders and pieds, but no copulation between a pied and lav. albino.
The dbl hets were produced in a breeder loan with josh wolfe and carry paperwork with them from josh. Only thing that bothers me is the lack of pics.
 
If you are ever in question of someone actually being in possession of an item for sale, whether it is a tea cup or a turtle or anything in between...Always ask for a picture with a piece of paper with your name on it and the date!

I've done this in the past where someone selling an item comes across as shaky...So I had them take a picture of the item with a given "code word" like banana and the date in it and send it to me. Seriously...not hard to do...if they can't provide, flag the post for others to know of the uncertainty and move on.
 
Hopefully no one else got burned by him. I picked up a group of albino pied stuff in Dec 2012. The group consisted of 1.0 albino pos het pied, 0.1 100% DH albino pied, and 0.1 pos DH albino pied. Supposedly he had bred the male albino pos het pied to the 100% DH female and produced visual albinos the year before and the pos het female was a virgin. I was not able to breed them the first season because they showed up about half the size they were supposed to be. The 100% DH female was supposed to be around 2000 grams but weighed only 12 something and looked like she had just laid. At this point I was pretty sure I had been taken but I still held out a little hope. I fattened the girls up and started breeding them this season. I got a clutch of eight eggs from each female after pairing them with both a 100% DH albino pied male and his son a visual albino pied male. I never confirmed a lock with the visual albino pied male. Out of 16 eggs I got 16 normals. I guess there may be a slight chance that these girls could prove I'm not putting another year into them. I know he was raising money to open a furniture store when he was selling these guys. I guess he needed the money more than me.
Clay Rhodes
 
Thats just not true.

The snakes I sent you were exactly what they were suppose to be Clay. If you would have bred the male visual, you purchased with the females, to the females I sold you then this wouldn't have happened. We talked about this before and the problem still seems to be with the "double het" male you bred them to. Maybe he was a different line, or maybe his genes are suspect like we talked about. You are completely slandering my name because you had a bad go this year. I understand your frustrations, but like I said before, I don't understand your frustrations with me Clay. You didn't get burned and you know that. One of the females you purchased was a possible double het virgin. Like I said before in all honesty when I bred the albino het male to the known double het female, I got several albinos in the clutch. I also told you I didn't get any pieds. I was completely transparent with these animals. I didn't produce the animals, and I told you the experience I had with them. If I was going to burn someone on "fake" animals, do you think I would have admitted they haven't produced any pieds for me, or do you think I would have said I got pieds and albinos out of the clutch? It just doesn't make sense. I'm sorry you chose not to continue working with the animals because I'm confident things would turn out better for you in the end. Like I said numerous times now, I'm sorry you had bad odds. I', shocked that you would jump the gun like this to slander my name. I have done numerous transactions with customers online for over 15 years, and my customers are always happy. I would have worked something out with you to get the animals back also, but you wanted someone to blame for your unfortunate year with odds. I'm not the guy. You also didn't inform me that you were going to post a slanderous reply to a thread concerning me, and that is a direct violation of the terms and service of this site.

About the pictures, and weights. My camera was broken for about a month or two and was in the shop getting fixed. I didn't sell any animals without pictures, and I stand behind my animals. I dont have a camera phone, and just had to wait until my camera was out of the shop. I am not a scammer, and I sell only animals I produce, or have purchased directly from breeders with the intent on breeding them myself. I dont broker animals or anything like that either.

The weight are a different story. Clay wanted to know how big they were, and I told him I didnt have a scale. He told me to estimate their sizes. I've been doing this a long time, and not one animal I sold was skinny or under weight. I might have over estimated but not my 800 grams. That is just an oversight on Clay's part.

Will Wohlers
 
You also didn't inform me that you were going to post a slanderous reply to a thread concerning me, and that is a direct violation of the terms and service of this site.Will Wohlers

I can't speak as to the accuracy of your whole post, but you are wrong on the quoted part.
 
The "double het" that I bred to the females is a male produced and backed up with photo genetic paperwork from OzzyBoids. He has produced a visual albino pied that is still in my collection. Pretty sure that proves there is nothing suspect about my male. Also as far as I know there are no lines of pied or albino the are not compatible. You are correct in saying that you told me that when you bred the visual albino pos het pied male to the 100% DH female that you produced a visual albino. I saw no reason to breed the pos het male back to the DH female when I had a proven 100% DH male and I told you when I bought them that was my intention.

Not sure what you are talking about with the pictures but the weights I told you about the day I received them. Your response was and I quote "Really under 1500? They seemed fatter than that when I last weighed them" I'm not even sure what that means. How does something seem fatter than that when you weigh them? Also I did contact you via text before posting here. When you finally got back to me we discussed this issue and you left it at you would pull your records and find out who they came from. Month and a half later this is the first I've heard from you.
Clay Rhodes
 
I've also had the same type of business with William Wohlers. It seems at this point he probably needs a bad guy thread. I bought a vanilla double het dreamsickle adult female from him and she didn't produce squat when bred to a lavender het pied male. This is now two people who have got bad hets from this guy. Oh and that was out of 9 eggs so the chance of the odds gods just not coming through is nearly impossible from visual to het. Just be careful if you buy hets from him I sure wouldn't ever buy anything from him again. I've contacted him and he just keeps giving me the same run around, that I'm wrong and she is a het so he has no intentions of making anything right.
 
you are full of it Dustin

I told Dustin I'm sure she is still a het. Dustin has been telling me for a year now that he bred her to a lavender, and just this last week decided to call his lavender het for pied (which we both know isnt true but it doesnt even matter in the instance). Dustin is a liar. He will say one thing and then turn around and contradict himself. Dustin is also a hot head. He has threatened me numerous times with the FBI and all kinds of other stuff.

I told Dustin if I ever intended on ripping him off then why would I have stayed in contact with him? Dustin asked me what she produced last year and I was honest and told him that no recessives were produced. Dustin also claims that when you breed a visual to a het at least one of the babies has to be a visual. He swears that breeding a visual to a het it completely impossible to get only normals. He also thinks that when you breed a visual to a het that 50% of the clutch would be visuals. I keep telling him he is wrong, and misinformed. You breed a visual to a het and every egg has a 50% chance of being a visual. When you figure probability it is by each individual egg. He thinks its figured over the entire clutch. This guy doesnt understand genetics or probability. I know it doesnt mean anything for this thread, but if youre trying to get a refund based on genetics then maybe you need to properly understand them to begin with.

Now about the animal. She came from a good friend of mine. I did no produce her. I have bought numerous things from him and every single one has turned out to be what it is suppose to be. I told Dustin numerous times that I know she is a het. He still kept on saying he wanted a refund. I told Dustin I would give him the benifit of the doubt, and if he would show me pictures of the female laying eggs, breeding, and of the clutch that I would gladly help him out. I told him I cannot just give you a refund on her without proof. Dustin has been an ass from the beginning and I do not trust him. I informed him that anyone can purchase an animal and breed it, get a bunch of cool stuff from her, and then claim she didnt produce anything to get a full refund on her. I told him I didnt think this is what he was doing, but I just needed some sort of proof. You need proof when you return anything right? Well that was a week ago, and Dustin said he was going to get the pics for me and I havent heard back from him. Now today I log onto fauna and it tells me he started a thread.

I have told Dustin numerous times my customers are the most important thing to me, and I work hard to maintain my good reputation. Even if he couldnt supply proof, I was going to send him a nice baby to make up for the bad year he had. At this point that is off the table.

Dustin is crazy, don't listen to what he says, only about half is true. He lies about everything and when you catch him in one he will back peddle with the best of them. For your case Dustin I wish we could have worked something out. In my business I hope to make 100% of my customers happy but sometimes thats just not possible I guess.
Will
 
First of all my reputation shows that I'm none of the things you just called me. Secondly this girl was bred to a buddies lavender 100% het pied. And yes generally when you breed a visual to a het about half the eggs will be visual but that isn't an exact number its always approximate when dealing with genetics and odds. I personally have a lavender 66% het pied but she wasn't bred to him. For the authorities remark, yes I do plan to contact your local authorities to let them know your scamming people. I'm the second person obviously to get fake hets and who knows who will be next.
 
Furthermore I've given Will a very long time to fix this situation and he has no intention of doing so otherwise it would never have made it here. These are the babies that came from the clutch
 

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lies lies and more lies

Dustin you told me you bred her to your lavender. Now your breeding her to a "buddies" that happens to be het for pied. There you go back peddling once again. Trying to back peddle on the genetics too huh, must have gone and read up on that a little like I suggested. You havnt "given me a long time to make this right" last we left if off as get me the pictures and we will go from there. Well that was a week ago, and no pictures ever showed up. Thats on you Dustin, also what proof do you have those babies came from the female I sold you? I asked for pics of the female breeding, pics of her on eggs, and a pic of the clutch. You said you had those, now you just want to show up with random pics of some babies probably from a show (thats why it took a week huh cause you didnt have them to begin with), and that is even after you opened a thread on me when I was trying to help you out. You can contact my "authorities" Dustin, you got exactly what you paid for. You think the police will give a crap about the genetics of an animal? They are gonna laugh at you just like a lot of the people on here are doing right now. This is the last time I will be addressing you or this matter. Good luck with your future projects Dustin.
 
So you dont trust Dustin? Thats interesting, he has a trader rating of 18, and a karma bar that is almost completely full. You get those things by doing business with people that were so happy with you they leave positive feed back..... I also see you have a negative trader rating.......

Secondly I also live right here in the same town as Dustin. I have known him for the better part of a decade. I have worked projects with him, seen his success and his shortcomings. I will give you credit where credit is due. Dustin Can be hot headed, but it is also justified. Secondly I have never seen Dustin do anything questionable or fishey in his personal or business life.

As far as the genetics of the animal Dustin got from you. I will give you this, no it is not impossible to yield 0 recessive animals in a breeding from vanilla dh dream x lavender het pied. However with 9 eggs it would seem unlikely that 9 times the 50% odd of producing a lavender didnt occur nor did 9 times the 25% chance of producing a pied did not occur.

However unlikley is not what we are dealing with. You also said that you bred her prior to selling her to Dustin. You also said that breeding produced 0 visual recessives. What was that pairing?
 
Yes I sent you pictures but since we're on the subject what proof do you have of the pairing that produced this girl, and eggs etc. I never ever said I had pics of the breeding only the babies. I'll just start print screening the emails we exchanged because your putting a whole lot of lies into this.
 
I dont have proof of the pairing. You have it. You received the only paperwork I got with her. You said you would send me pics when I asked for pcs of the breeding, laying, and babies. You never stated that the only pics you had were of the babies. You never said anything back till you opened this thread. Now like I said I am done arguing with you, and Im done addressing this matter. Oh and you said you bred her to YOUR lavender Dustin.
Will
 
Not to interrupt, but I am really curious as to what Will bred the vanilla dh dream to before he sold the animal to Dustin.

I am also curious why you would sell a breeding size vanilla dh dream, that is still one of the biggest projects in the bp world. I will settle for only answering the first question. But would really like to know
 
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