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Win 7 reload..

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Dang it, I hate to have to do this, but it looks like I'm gonna hafta.....

Been fighting with my system ever since BitDefender botched an update and their virus software started killing off Windows files in all 64 bit OS systems their customers were running. I kind of got it working, but it was definitely limping along, odd things just not working here and there. But more and more things have gotten goofy, and I just need to bite this bullet before I'm in the middle of taxes and THEN it crashes for good.

This actually happened while I was running Vista, so I had hoped an upgrade to Win 7 would have straightened things up, but no dice.

So I'm backing up all my files, just in case. Probably will be a month before I have everything loaded back onto the system.

Just venting. I have NEVER had to reload Windows before, so I guess my lucky streak just plumb ran out.... :angry:
 
Well darn... Here I am reloading Win7 AGAIN.

I spent all day yesterday reloading some of my applications. Late last night I was just reading some messages on one of my sites and the motherboard alarm went off. ?? That has happened before, but I thought reloading the OS because of all the other problems I was seeing would fix that. When I restarted the system, it immediately started doing a CHKDSK on Drive D. Drive D is my RAID0 SAS drives, btw...

Anyway, things went OK last night till I went to bed.

This morning I got up and started up my computer, and when it went to load Windows, it went into a Startup Repair routine. Which failed, with the only option available was to shut off the system. I tried that a few times with identical results. So I put in the Win7 CD and ran the "repair system" routine from that, which appeared to be the same identical routine run earlier.

Check all the BIOS settings, nothing looked amiss.... Damn.....

In case there is a RAID problem, I separated the RAID0 Drive D into two separate JBOD disks. So right now I am loading up Win7 again. Arrghhh.... I'm beginning to really hate computers. Darn shame I've got myself kind of painted into a corner where I need to have them, though.... :shootfoot
 
I'm techtarded, Rich...I looked at all the words, but the way it came out in my head was in the voice of Charlie Brown's teacher.
I understand "my damn computer is screwed up", power supply, mouse, and a few other non technical terms :shrug01:.

Hope it you find an easy, and lasting, fix, though.
 
Unbelievable as it may seem, this is the first time I have ever had to reload the OS on any PC I have ever had. I've always been able to keep it limping along till it was time to buy a new PC anyway. But that darn BitDefender threw me a sucker punch that I just couldn't recover from.

Still wrestling with the system. Looks like there might be a problem with my RAID card. I took the 2TB drive off of it and just left the two SAS drives that I had RAIDed on it. I took them off of RAID0 and made them individual drives to see if maybe one of them is flaking out on me.

On top of this, I've got an ear impacted, probably with wax, but maybe I'm infested with some sort of alien organism. Who knows? Been using the over the counter remedy and it's not helping. So of course this happens over the weekend so I have to wait till Monday to even call to make a doctor's appt. Of course, I don't HAVE a doctor. Haven't needed to see one for ages. But anyway, between the PC and this ear problem, I'm about ready to start shooting computer equipment..... Shooting my ear probably wouldn't be a wise idea, but the thought has been crossing my mind.
 
Thats why you dont use bitdefender. If you know how to surf the web properly you will never have problems with virus attacks,malware,spyware,adware and so on.

Should look into making a ghost image of your harddrive after restoring everything. That way if something was to happen, just reload the ghost image back onto the computer and your done. I do this every 6months, saves time of doing 100% clean installs and reinstalling programs.

Its nice windows 7 installs about 99% of drivers now. You can look at Norton Ghost to do this imaging of the hard drive.
 
Mine isn't a normal situation in regards to the problems concerning prudent defenses. As you can likely imagine, there are some people who would love nothing better than to crash my PC in retaliation for running this site and causing them to be pulled out from under the rock they were hiding under.

Anyway, I'm getting there. Had a bit of difficulty trying to update some drivers and somehow they caused the RAID drive to suddenly look as two separate unformatted drives.

Still got a bunch of apps I need to install, and crossing my fingers that something doesn't blow up along the way. This is the third time I had to reload Win7 in this process. At one point the system just died and could not load the OS. The restore points had vanished and the repair routine on the install disk did nothing. No idea what happened then. Which means I didn't fix anything, because I didn't know what broke. Which means it could happen again out of the blue.

As for the ghost image suggestion, I actually tried that early on. I was going to roll back to Vista in this process and I tried to load in the image disks that came with my system. But guess what? They were bad. That's the problem with backups of this nature. You never know if they will work until you REALLY need them to work, and if they don't, you are screwed. Testing is not really an option when the test itself destroys your current system during the test to reload the backup.
 
When i ghost image my hard drive i use a spare hard drive or Flash drive big enough to hold the image after the initial windows installation. That way no worrying about discs that went bad from the elements.

Also try to get all your drivers you need on its own partition so no more hunting them down.
 
:bandhead0 :bandhead0 :bandhead0

Well just got done reloading Win7 again. I think this may be the fifth time.

I beat the heck out of the system all day Wednesday running stress tests, copy files from one drive to another, basically trying to make it fail. Not even a hiccup. Set up the two SAS drives as RAID0 and beat up on it some more. Not even a whimper. So I loaded a few apps and used the system for the rest of the evening, and it seemed real solid to me.

Had a doctor's appt. this morning, so I didn't get to crank it up till around noontime. Damn.... Got a startup failure. It chugged away for a VERY long time saying it was trying to repair the damage, and yes it did finally start up eventually. But obviously I didn't have any faith in the system. I contacted the place I bought the system from (AVAdirect) and they suggested I upgrade the system to SP1. OK, I'm game. There were some other critical updates in the queue so I ran them as well, to try to bring everything uptodate.

The SP1 update took a fair amount of time and eventually completed, and I had high hopes this might take care of the problem. But there was a notice that my antivirus program wasn't running. Hmm.. I clicked on the desktop link and it wouldn't start up. So I figured it needed to be reloaded, possibly something getting botched during that SP1 update. So I went to the Uninstall screen to uninstall it, and was quite surprised to see that nearly all of the apps I had installed were not in the list. I tried to run a few of the programs and they gave me bogus error messages saying that I did not have enough memory or not enough disk space, which was completely nuts. It was basically a fresh system, so resources were at their peak. So AVAdirect suggested rolling back to a setpoint before the SP1 update, which I did. After the dust settled, the same problem existed with the Uninstall screen and those apps still would not run. Oh, I tried to just overwrite the antivirus program with a fresh install, but of course that failed with some inane error message.

So I figured that SP1 update hosed me but good. AVAdirect made some goofy damn statement like "gee, your system sure is picky about the programs it runs". Wish the guy was here, because I would have choked him. I've been running those apps far a LONG time, and matter of fact they are running on my laptop (that I am using right now) which is also running Win7 SP1 without any issues.

Anyway, I'm only going to load Win7 and all the updates including SP1 and not load ANY of my apps onto it and just use IE and see what happens. I'm thinking I'm probably going to be packing that system up on Monday and shipping it back to AVAdirect with a note to either replace everything in the box, or just give me my money back..

Oh, forgot one detail. AVAdirect said that perhaps the SSD drive (which is my C: drive) needs a firmware update. Well I checked with the manufacturer and the model of my SSD is noted as *EOL. Which, I believe, stands for End Of Life. Basically meaning it is obsolete and not supported any longer. This is an OCZ Apex SSD, by the way. And I have had this new system for just a bit under two years, so it's not like this is some archaic piece of hardware here.

So yeah, I'm about getting fit to be tied.

Is it too much to ask for to just get what you paid for and have a reasonable expectation that it will WORK as advertised? I am moderately fluent with this PC crap, and can't imagine the horror someone completely out of their depth of water would be feeling having to deal with this sort of crap. I do wish that when I was considering buying an Apple that they didn't have that nickle ninety-eight cheesy keyboard on the demo models. I might have bought one if not for that poor excuse for a user interface. Heck you can tell they are embarrassed as hell about the keyboard because they will RARELY show the darn think in their photo ad copy. Well darn, put a REAL keyboard on the system, then! Don't just try to hide it.

Sometimes I think the whole darn world has just gone insane.....
 
What generation is your SSD. Many 1st and 2nd gen had problems with failures for some reason.

Also check your SATA cables are working, swapping them out and so on. If you are using A solid slate drive, really no reason to have RAID set up on them
 
What generation is your SSD. Many 1st and 2nd gen had problems with failures for some reason.

Also check your SATA cables are working, swapping them out and so on. If you are using A solid slate drive, really no reason to have RAID set up on them

Beats the heck out of me what generation it is. Like I said, I got this system under 2 years ago (late March, 2009), so it's not like I was any sort of pioneer. I bought the optional 5 year warranty, so if AVAdirect can't support the SSD, then they will just have to replace it with something newer.

The SSD is not involved in RAID. The two SAS drives attached to the RocketRAID card are standard rotating platter hard drives. The SSD is a SATA II device.

Finally got to the point where Windows update is admitting that there is a SP1 update available. Apparently I needed to jump through a bunch of other update hoops before they would offer that one to me. So that's being installed right now.

Anyway, I guess there is a lot to be said for just buying an off the shelf PC rather than getting a custom built one. But even then, there is no guarantee that hardware you bought last year will still remain compatible with a new Win update that comes down the pike. Unfortunately this sort of crap is a money maker for them all, by forcing you to buy new hardware, then new compatible software, so they aren't likely to "fix" this cash cow for them.
 
Beats the heck out of me what generation it is. Like I said, I got this system under 2 years ago (late March, 2009), so it's not like I was any sort of pioneer. I bought the optional 5 year warranty, so if AVAdirect can't support the SSD, then they will just have to replace it with something newer.

The SSD is not involved in RAID. The two SAS drives attached to the RocketRAID card are standard rotating platter hard drives. The SSD is a SATA II device.

Finally got to the point where Windows update is admitting that there is a SP1 update available. Apparently I needed to jump through a bunch of other update hoops before they would offer that one to me. So that's being installed right now.

Anyway, I guess there is a lot to be said for just buying an off the shelf PC rather than getting a custom built one. But even then, there is no guarantee that hardware you bought last year will still remain compatible with a new Win update that comes down the pike. Unfortunately this sort of crap is a money maker for them all, by forcing you to buy new hardware, then new compatible software, so they aren't likely to "fix" this cash cow for them.
Theres your problem right there, YOU didnt build it. Send it back get your money and build another one with top of the line parts and wont have problems. :shootfoot
 
Theres your problem right there, YOU didnt build it. Send it back get your money and build another one with top of the line parts and wont have problems. :shootfoot

Actually, I believe top of the line parts were used. At least all name brand stuff. Not sure why OCZ obsoleted the Apex series SSDs though. This was NOT a cheap system as I always try to go top of the line with a new computer to try to delay the need to upgrade as long as possible. Of course, now with SATA III and USB3, I sure would like a new motherboard able to handle those new transfer protocols.

Quite honestly, I'm not sure I would classify Microsoft products as being top of the line, anyway.... :rolleyes: It could actually be a driver somewhere botching up the system. Wouldn't be the first time that has happened.

I think trying to get a refund on a 2 year old system would be a real hard sell. I don't believe computers are covered by any sort of lemon law protections.

Anyway, all the updates have been done and I'm not installing any apps to see how this runs for a few days. If it crashes, no way AVAdirect can blame one of my applications. Really, it amazes me how this guys will always try to point the finger somewhere else. For YEARS I fought with techs who wanted me to reload Windows just to see if it fixed the problem. I always refused and up till this incident I was right about the problem being elsewhere. With this incident with my current system, BitDefender obviously destroyed some core files in Windows. But there were other problems before that. I have two applications that I like to use (5Clicks and Delorme Street Atlas) that just would not install correctly on the system even being fresh from the factory with Vista64 loaded. I have them both loaded on other computers without any issues whatsoever. Interestingly enough, they both load fine now with Win 7. Well, at least until the system crashes completely, anyway.

So we'll see......
 
Send it back, get them to fix whats causing the errors and then sell it once returned.

Then build one you like so if a problem happens you know where to attack the problem and take it head on.
 
Send it back, get them to fix whats causing the errors and then sell it once returned.

Then build one you like so if a problem happens you know where to attack the problem and take it head on.

Nah... I think from here on out I will just find an off the shelf system and be satisfied with that. Getting tired of losing blood by being on the cutting edge of stuff.....
 
Nah... I think from here on out I will just find an off the shelf system and be satisfied with that. Getting tired of losing blood by being on the cutting edge of stuff.....

It can be overwhelming overtime with top line systems. Keeping them running smoothly and so on.

My newest build will be a lot of work to keep everything running smoothly and dust free.

Off the shelf computers from retail stores use inferior ram,psu,mobo 80% of the time and those are the 3 things to die first. I strongly urge you to build your own as this will give you warranty per part from manufactures with no headaches or blood
 
It can be overwhelming overtime with top line systems. Keeping them running smoothly and so on.

My newest build will be a lot of work to keep everything running smoothly and dust free.

Off the shelf computers from retail stores use inferior ram,psu,mobo 80% of the time and those are the 3 things to die first. I strongly urge you to build your own as this will give you warranty per part from manufactures with no headaches or blood

I'm just not all that convinced that "compatible" is a word understood in computer manufacturing circles. It certainly isn't at Microsoft.

So the logic behind buying an off the shelf computer would be to get one that the store has spent the time and effort trying to verify compatible parts and get one with as long of a warranty as possible where it will be possible to just cart it in if it takes a nose dive. With this AVAdirect box, yeah, I have a 5 year warranty, but I have to pay to send it back to them for repairs. I went through the same thing with the previous computer I bought from VelocityMicro that took 4 or 5 trips back to them before they finally got it straightened out. I believe they eventually had to replace EVERYTHING at least twice to finally get a combination of parts that did not have anything DOA in the mix and was compatible together.

Both were custom built systems, so obviously I'm going about this all wrong. Quite honestly, I believe even doing this myself would entail the same problems with DOA, flaky, and/or incompatible parts. Just not worth the headaches to me, at least not in my present frame of mind. These are TOOLS for me, not a hobby. I want them for the work they can do for me, not the challenge of fiddling with them to GET them to work.

Seriously, I used to actually repair computers down to the component level many years ago. You know, desoldering and soldering chips on boards after troubleshooting signals. It was fun back then, but I was also getting paid to do it. I remember how time consuming it was and just don't have the inclination to fritter away my retirement in that sort of pursuit.

But who knows? Maybe terminal boredom will set in one day.... :shrug01:
 
sucks rich if I was close to you I offer ot look at it. I build and reload comptuers for fun/extra pocket change. my system was screwing up and i end up tracing it to either a bad port or cable but the image works great if you figure out how to reload off of it. ( had one for my system and it helped me a lot when I was crashing every couple days..

if you can plug the primary harddrive into a different port with a new cable and see how runs ( I been up running for 3 months no issues sinceiA did that ) but I only run 3 drives total the 1tb ( main os ) 100 gig data drive and the dvd drive ( all are sata )
 
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