Inquiry Wise Reptiles/ are they liars?

[Ed Clark]

This discussion has been going on in another thread(off topic). so lets discuss it here.

This email was sent to me via the kingsnake reply to post system, c wise asked for a donation then later denied sending the email. you can clearly see that it came from [email protected] the I.P. address originated from their computer in Michigan.

I sent the email to KelliH she looked it over and her opinion was that it was legit, some have said an I.P. address can be altered...some say they are static and are impossible to alter.

Would webslave take a look at the I.P. address and offer an opinion on if it came from their computer or not, also answer if an I.P can be altered. I have always been under the impression that they can not be changed. I ask webslave this because I believe him to have much knowledge on this subject.

Please no guessing... like I think this that or the other, lets hear from some computer wizards with facts not guesses. I will forward the email to knowledgeable people that know what they are doing with computers. I certainly don't.

Please no slamming,bickering or insults. this is an opportunity to learn something.

This is the email it came from.

From:
"[email protected]" <[email protected]> [Chat now]
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Add to Contacts
To: [email protected]

 

[StrictlyExotics]

Ed, why post a screenshot and NOT the email with headers?

 

[SPJ]

This BS is really getting old........

 

[StrictlyExotics]

Email that I received from Wisereptiles

Ok here is an email that I recevied from Jeff and Christina when this was all taking place.

Fw: Funny....
Fri, March 5, 2010 11:53:17 PMFrom: Christina Wise <[email protected]> Add to Contacts
To: [email protected]

Fw: Funny.....eml (6KB)


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Note: Forwarded message is attached.



--- On Sat, 3/6/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

> From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
> Subject: Funny....
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 12:47 AM
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> You told me you won't have anything to do with Ed
> or ppl affiliated with
> him on the phone I try to help someone I know
> and this is how I get
> treated?
>
> In a message dated 3/6/2010 12:45:35 A.M. Eastern
> Standard Time,
> [email protected] writes:
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>
> ----- Forwarded Message ----
> From:
> "[email protected]"
> <[email protected]>
> To:
> [email protected]
> Sent: Fri,
> March 5, 2010 1:18:22
> PM
> Subject:
> Message about: RW
> Snow Patty, Red Stripes.
>
> *************
> NOTE: This
> message was sent to you via the Kingsnake.com
> Classifieds. If you feel this message is fraudulent
> or abusive please
> forward it to [email protected].
> NOTE:
> DO NOT flag this message as SPAM/JUNK as your ability to
> receive legitimate
> messages from Kingsnake.com Classifieds may be
> compromised
> *************
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> Hey ed I was wondering if you had anything
> to put up for auction for chucks fundraiser. let me
> know...
>
> ----------------------------------------------
> Click on (or
> cut and paste into you browser's
> location window) the URL below to view the
> ad that
> this message is in response to.
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> http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?de=758408&cat=10
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> ----------------------------------------------
> This
> message was sent by an unregistered or non logged in
> user.
> This person may
> or may not be who they say they are.
> The return address they provide may or
> may not be their correct address.
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> Sent 12:18 PM, Mar 05th, 2010 from
> I.P. Address
> 68.61.46.124/c-68-61-46-124.hsd1.mi.comcast.net
>
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>
>
> Howlin'
> Gale Dragons
> "Quality Not
> Quantity"
> www.HGDragons.com
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Fw: Fw: Message about: RW Snow Patty, Red Stripes.
Fw: Message about: RW Snow Patty, Red Stripes.Friday, March 05, 2010 11:45:34 PMFrom: "Ed Clark" <[email protected]>
To: "Nicole" <[email protected]>




----- Forwarded Message ----
From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Fri, March 5, 2010 1:18:22 PM
Subject: Message about: RW Snow Patty, Red Stripes.

*************
NOTE: This message was sent to you via the Kingsnake.com Classifieds. If you feel this message is fraudulent or abusive please forward it to [email protected].
NOTE: DO NOT flag this message as SPAM/JUNK as your ability to receive legitimate messages from Kingsnake.com Classifieds may be compromised
*************

Hey ed I was wondering if you had anything to put up for auction for chucks fundraiser. let me know...

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Click on (or cut and paste into you browser's
location window) the URL below to view the ad that
this message is in response to.

http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?de=758408&cat=10


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This message was sent by an unregistered or non logged in user.
This person may or may not be who they say they are.
The return address they provide may or may not be their correct address.

Sent 12:18 PM, Mar 05th, 2010 from I.P. Address 68.61.46.124/c-68-61-46-124.hsd1.mi.comcast.net



the funny thing is right there it states that Nicole knows that they do not want anything from anyone affilated with you Ed. She never mentioned to them that you were the one who got the email from them. Why would she not mention that to begin with?

 

[WiseReptiles]

This BS is really getting old........

Tell me about it. I am tired of it. I am trying to help someone out and we get attacked. I am not ending the auctions because I believe this is what they want I am not caving into them. I could careless to what they have to say anymore. I know I didn't send it and I know Jeff didn't send it. So far as I am concerned this is just thread for Ed to redeem himself to Nichole by getting her name off the first page like they did his.

Christina Wise

 

[TattooLost]

Is the BOI covering liars now? Or was there some sort of transaction or bad customer service involved here?

If this is about liars, I think there's about to be a LOT of Nicole Norton and Ed Clark bad guy threads posted.

The crap is ridiculous.

Honestly, if I'd made the mistake of sending you an email Ed, I certainly wouldn't want to admit I'd made that mistake.

Do I think they emailed you for support, no. Why would they do it on KS, when they are always on here and know very well you are a member her as well. Did they not solicit people on Fauna, only KS? Doesn't make sense.

As I said before, Jeff and Christina have helped my family tremendously in this time of loss. It's really brightened up my wife a bit to see complete strangers spearhead the campaign they did to help us, along with all the support and generosity from lots of Fauna members. People we've never even shook hands with or spoke on the phone with.

So, to answer your question Ed, No... I don't think they are liars.

 

[StrictlyExotics]

And coming from one of the beneficiaries, that says a lot Ed.

 

[Ed Clark]

Ed, why post a screenshot and NOT the email with headers?

This is the best I can do, I really have very limited computer skills.

 

[StrictlyExotics]

LoL you cant copy and paste?

 

[WebSlave]

Would webslave take a look at the I.P. address and offer an opinion on if it came from their computer or not, also answer if an I.P can be altered. I have always been under the impression that they can not be changed. I ask webslave this because I believe him to have much knowledge on this subject.

Sorry, but I decline to acquiesce to your request.

 

[Ed Clark]

Is the BOI covering liars now? Or was there some sort of transaction or bad customer service involved here?

I was prepared to send them almost anything until they denied sending that email.

 

[WiseReptiles]

Yeah and Nicole had our email address before hand. You think that you are so smart and can change an email but the only reason you are wasting your time here is to avoid your own BOI threads and to start crap. I know it, I have seen you avoid questions like the are the plague but when you think you can turn the attention from yourself you will do it to the best of your knowledge. And as Russ stated I do not trust the 2 of you with my paypal address as well as someone having to wait a couple weeks to receive dragons. You 2 have proved yourself and I do not want anything to do with either of you. You are just in this hobby to give it a bad name. BTW, funny thing is the only time we go to Kingsnake is when links are posted in the chat room. But you have your story and live in your own world no matter how screwed up it is. So enjoy making everyones lives miserable.

Jeff Wise

Please make sure to use protection because we don't need any more morons on Fauna.

this is an email i got asking for a donation which my company is doing. I don't know how to do a screen shot on the mac so i hope this helps whoever needed it.
alan

This message was sent from:
http://www.innovationsinprint.com/contact.html
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Name of sender: christina
Email of sender: [email protected]
------------------------- COMMENTS -------------------------

Hi,
I am contacting you to see if you knew about the member Critical Bill aka Chuck Kimmel. He is a long time member at Fauna and his family is struggling right now. Chuck had 2 heart attacks last week and flat lined they have him in ICU, everything is touch and go. He has kidney failure since yesterday and I decided that I am going to help out his family and run a fund raiser to help the family with all of the expenses that they are having a the moment. I am contact you to see if there was a possibility that you had a donation towards theses auctions to help out a great cause. If not, I understand because times are hard for everyone.


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This is my last post here because alls this is doing ED is keeping Nichole's post at the top why your's fall to the bottom. I apologize for my comment that I did in my previous post. What I said was because I was mad and everyone knows after you hit the post button anything thing you say is there to stay. I admit I was wrong with that comment and it was better left out of a BOI thread.

In post #453 on the screen shot of the email I posted Nichole admits in her own email that we said we would not be associated with her because of ED clark. With that being said she even stated in that email we would not be associated with ED Clark or her. With that being said why would we have sent ED an email from King Snake when we could of did that right from here on Fauna? We have no reason to lie saying that the email was not sent! Why would we need to lie about sending someone an email? If we sent ED and email I would have admitted that my first post but with me knowing that ED never received an email from us is why I have defended ourselves here. As I said earlier it is not productive from me to keep posting here because all I am doing is repeating myself over and over and it is not solving nothing but making others read the same stuff over and over.

ED and Nichole, I am sincerly sorry for that comment I made and what I said. It was better left out of the BOI and I am sorry to everyone for that comment. It was unproffessional and uncalled for. So what I said can't be taken out of context I will add it here and this is the comment I was refering to "Please make sure to use protection because we don't need any more morons on Fauna".

Jeff Wise

In that second link above Nicole and a past member both claimed the other edited their private message conversation with Photoshop. So This would make a second time that Nicole could have used Photoshop to change a screen shot of a text image to say what she wanted it to say.

And I was right.... Ed did finally come

Well Ed it looks like you are back to all of your old tricks. I never thought you would stoop so low to make yourself look good but it looks like you have far exceeded what I thought you could do. We never emailed you nor would we because Nichole stated in the email to us that we would not associate ourselves with anyone who deals with Ed Clark! Wish we could all see what the instant message was about to Nicole that is in your screen shot. Probably talking about changing everything to suit yourselves.

Jeff WiseView attachment 128432

 

[KelliH]

Ed if you click on the email that was sent to you (in the "received email" area where there is a list of all the emails you have received) and highlight it, then right click you should be able to select "Properties". The click on "Details". Highlight all the code that is in this "deatails" window. Copy/Paste it here in a post.

 

[DAND]

LoL you cant copy and paste?

He couldn't find his ass with both hands.

This is just yet another pathetic attempt of

d e f l e c t i o n !

This is his way yet again to deflect attention from his bad guy thread and his insignificant others bad guy thread.

 

[DAND]

I was prepared to send them almost anything until they denied sending that email.

Horse crap, you are a liar.

 

[Ed Clark]

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[WiseReptiles]

I was prepared to send them almost anything until they denied sending that email.

You were prepared to send us almost anything? Funny that all the other auctions that are running right now the people who donated them animals still have them in their possession and will send them out to the winners after they pay. Funny thing is that supposed email you received from us was never replied to if you were even thinking of donating until we told Nichole that we would have nothing to do with you because she was associated with you. That is when that email came about that the 2 of you conceived and made fit your situation. From the time stamp on the email to the phone call was about 12 hours. But you Ed were thinking about donating about how much that email is real "Non Existent". This is your story and you will do anything to take the heat off Ed Clark. Keep avoiding your thread like you are so well at doing. Next Ed Clark thread will be something about how Home Depot is in the wrong because he received a splinter while shopping there to make himself look good somehow.

Jeff Wise

 

[Ed Clark]

Horse crap, you are a liar.

I think I provided the proof that both of the Wise's are liars. this discussion was going on as an off topic subject in another thread. slam me all you want Dand you are showing who and what you are trying to protect your buddies with no objectivity towards the truth.

 

[WiseReptiles]

I think I provided the proof that both of the Wise's are liars. this discussion was going on as an off topic subject in another thread. slam me all you want Dand you are showing who and what you are trying to protect your buddies with no objectivity towards the truth.

All you proved is you know how to back space and change this to suit what you want others to see.

Jeff Wise

 

[capt._howdy]

Ed you must not have a life i swear honestly the only lier in this thread IS YOU. ohh Ed just in case you didnt know the definition of lie here u go. to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive. Jeff and his wife has nothing to worry about