Brian, while I respect what you are trying to state here but how is that even fair for people who WERE mentioned, like me
What I find "odd' is that two people NOT involved in the auctions by winning or donating, but fully involved in the finger-pointing on the thread are invited to the shindig.
Withholding the names is fair. The only reason you know your name was mentioned is because someone saw it on the screen before they got the boot. Now, you see how upset you are, well multiply that times four and then look at the mess. Deborah, and I are only trying to help. We contribute here and we have every right to help any way we can even if others disagree with it. We have done nothing wrong. When the whole thing went down, we had no idea who's names she was going to bring out. So how were we suppose to know? You say you should have been invited to the chat. It was a spur of the moment type thing and not a lot of thought went into it, there wasn't time for that.
This thread and the Wise thread will be the LAST two I participate in on this site, unless I have a BOI thread to write, or have to deal with my name being in one. I will also involve myself in MY OWN sales ads should I ever choose to place another one on here.
I am sorry you feel this way.
To be blunt and perfectly honest with you, you and Deb are the reason my name was even mentioned in the whole chat issue simply because you two chose to point fingers at me. When all is said and done, I can promise one thing and one thing only...
You are way off base here. And you talk about finger pointing. It was spur of the moment like I said above. I happened to wonder into chat and Christina was already in there. Deb posted something about a pm from Christina in chat and I posted that Christina was a lier, and then Christina responded. I didn't even realize Christina was there until she responded to me calling her a lier, I never looked at the name list to see who was there. She is the last person I expected to be there.
Fauna will lose me as a contributor to this site as I feel like I have nothing more that I can contribute without being profiled as somehow being involved just because someone happens to NOT like what I have to post.
There is always someone who is not going to like what someone else post's. It happens and will always happen. Some may even be from personality conflicts. You statement is not the most mature and you are not a victom here. You seem to be playing on people's sympathy. Everyone here can contribute in some form or another as you have and if you feel you need to stop, then that is your choice and no one is forcing you to do so, or even suggesting that you do so. You have made many good post's here on this site. And, I have not accused you of any wrong doing.
I agree with Dean if you were not part of the Auction by donating time or Money you should have no 2 cents to say or be invited to this shindig!
Thats my 1 and only comment on this subject
Peace to everyone!
You are wrong. We have every right to try to help any way we can. All members have the right to help, and that is what we are trying to do.
So if the software is similar to that used by xat, Christine COULD basically "call the shots" in the room and have people removed or keep them from reading/responding.
I already said, Christina was not calling the shots.
1. Christina was not calling the shots on anything.
As for the BOI and the victims of the Wise's, I wasnt the one who decided to derail it from them. I didnt have a private chat with them trying to see who else could have possibly been involved. I handled my business with them OUT of the BOI thread and through personal contacts.
This thread was created because you and Brian feel compelled NOT to post what was said in the private chat that deals with DIRECTLY speaking to the Wise's. Oddly enough, neither one of you had anything at stake regarding the Wise's or the Wise's auctions. But, for some reason, you two feel like you have the right to hold whatever info that you have so dear to you. I would imagine that you two feel this compelled to do so because all it was could make you two accountable for what you have had to say.
The private chat has been explained. You keep hammering away at the fact that Deb, and I didn't have anything to do with the auctions. So what, we are trying to contribute in a way that we are able to do so. We don't like what has happened any more then anyone else. Give it a rest.
Deb is not with holding anything, I am. If it ends up turning out to be what I think it is, then there will be no reason to share it. It will only upset more people and derail things and cause more of these conflicts between members who are legitimitley trying to help out here. I didn't have to save the chat in the first place.
I honestly don't see what the hang-up is about sharing what was said in chat. The reasons given for not sharing aren't making much sense (and are somewhat contradictory).
1. "Nothing new was said" ......ok...that wouldn't be a big surprise, really. So why not prove it by letting everyone else see that nothing new was said?
2. "She accused others of bad things and it would be unfair to drag their names into it" ........ I agree it would be unfair to just toss their names out without the full context of what was said. BUT...if she's going to try and implicate others in her twisted schemes in order to deflect heat from herself, I think that is something everyone should know and see in writing and the people she has accused (if there really are any such) should be allowed to have their say.
3. "We're waiting for certain 'evidence' to be e-mailed to us and then it will be reviewed by a select few" ........... since when is BOI-related evidence only meant to be reviewed by a "select few"? Since when does a "select few" get to decide what is "worthy" to be shared on the BOI?
What's done is done....and hollering at Deb or Brian for deigning to consent to and facilitate a private chat with Christina is pointless. But I'm telling the both of you....whatever your motives were going in, all you're accomplishing at this point is shooting yourselves in the foot and making the entire mess even more muddier than it was a couple days ago.
The only people making this thing muddier, are those who continue to question the chat. Deb, Harold, and I have all said our piece. Everyone who continues to comment is dragging this on. I was never under any obligation to save the chat, I did it because she said she was going to send some screen shots and files through email to back up her claims. If she can't back up her claims, then I don't know if I will ever post any of it. It would then only hurt more people and create more garbage. So far I have nothing to back up her claims.
I agree with everything Judy has said here.
I also wanted to ask a question. If Christina isn't privy to this part of fauna, why NOT post the chat log here? Or at least make it available to the people Christina was pointing the finger at.
To me, it looks like the people who had trust issues with Dean are only withholding this information to continue to point the finger at him. It's obvious they have something to hide, otherwise the accused would have had this information already.
At this point in time I am not posting any screen shots of chat. If or when the time comes, I will do it then, now is not the time. Right now it has no merit, so there is no need for more meaningless drama. Deb, Harold, and I are not hiding anything. The only person pointing fingers is Christina.
Actually your wrong here... it goes to add more proof to her MO. She is trying to hide the truth with lies... .just like the bogus check and bank statement.
Either way... it needs to come out. If she is lieing.... why protect her. Burn her.... and more evidence to show a pattern.
No one is protecting anyone. We have all talked about what we feel is right at this time. Will I or won't I post it, I don't have that answer at this time, only time will tell.
Any emails yet? Guess it takes Christina a few days to create the evidence?
I don't see why anyone would want to protect Christina and Jeff. Sorry, but that's exactly what it seems like certain people are doing, but "not disclosing" anything for whatever reason. Unless there's something said or shown that might make you believe she had a good reason for stealing all that money, why help her? Is it just to be in the limelight? To have people wagging their tails at your feet, waiting for you to throw out a little piece of information?
I've avoided that BOI thread pretty much, and Fauna in general. I already hated taking charity, though we needed it and it helped greatly. Then all this crap happened, and it's turned into a three-ring circus.
I've got some dear friends thanks to this site. Luckily I can still keep in touch with them without all the drama.
On a final note, thank you to EVERYONE that donated, to us AND to Maggie. Even if it all didn't get where it was supposed to go, the thought alone means a lot. Thanks, from the bottom of mine and Sandra's heart.
Cya.
I have recieved some emails, and I thought I mentioned it. I consider them to be nothing at this point in time.
I will say it again, no one is protecting the Wise's here.
If anything I am protecting the people she accused, by exposing it, these people will become even more upset then they already are.
cause your friendship ain't all that.
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