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Would it be possible to use Fauna as a “trust” for trades?

Would you use Fauna as a "trust" for trades?

  • I would certainly use it

    Votes: 24 85.7%

  • I prefer my trades to remain private

    Votes: 4 14.3%
  • Total voters
    28
  • Poll closed .
Ken Foose said:
You know the little cards the grocery stores give you to get the lower prices? The ones that you get after you give them all your information? The ones that allow the stores to track each and every purchase that you make with them? I'm the guy that does not have one of those cards, but would rather spend the extra money then let a bunch of people know exactly what my diet is, or how many cheetos I buy.
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I only go to the supermarkets where you don't need one of those to get the specials. But sadly, whether you like it or not, your purchases are "tracked". Magazine subscriptions. Anything that you purchase for delivery. Anything that you purchase with a credit card or debit card. Any product that you "register". A new automobile. Real estate (all real estate transactions are a matter of public record as are mortgages). So your cheetos and twinkies are the tip of a large iceberg of information that is "available" about you...for a price.
 
Jim O said:
I only go to the supermarkets where you don't need one of those to get the specials. But sadly, whether you like it or not, your purchases are "tracked". Magazine subscriptions. Anything that you purchase for delivery. Anything that you purchase with a credit card or debit card. Any product that you "register". A new automobile. Real estate (all real estate transactions are a matter of public record as are mortgages). So your cheetos and twinkies are the tip of a large iceberg of information that is "available" about you...for a price.
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Sad but true
but i would have to agree that it should be mandatory that both parties consent before any information is posted
 
From what I can read some have taken this too personal. The idea behind it was to make it completely optional. You are going to engage into a breeding loan or a trade with Joe Herpman, no one has ever heard about him. Both of you seem pretty trustworthy but would like to have something in writing before you proceed. Here is where the experience of those that have been in the BOI for years comes into play. Instead of jumping all over either one (or both) of the parties in the BOI with “I told you so”, “you are a scammer”, etc. we go back to the initial agreement and read it. What does it say? Which party is right and which is wrong on his claims? Instead of having 1,000 post threads problems could be solved with very little intervention. Some people will of course violate agreements, we know it, but isn’t it worth giving it a try at least? Now, if this works exceedingly well, more and more people might want to make use of this “signed guarantee”. Will that reflect badly on those that don’t want to do it? No chance. I’m not going to go ask Ralph Davis to come over to Fauna classifieds to sign a guarantee on the albino-pied ball he is about to loan me (dream on…it’s free :) ). This is just to reassure those unknown deals, and try to be proactive rather than reactive.

And to answer to Dennis yes, the consent would have to be mandatory for both parties. In fact by giving their consent (it's also spelled in writing) they are also releasing Faunaclassifieds and any of it's members from any kind of liability that might result from a flawed transaction.
 
The BoidSmith said:
the consent would have to be mandatory for both parties. In fact by giving their consent (it's also spelled in writing) they are also releasing Faunaclassifieds and any of it's members from any kind of liability that might result from a flawed transaction.
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Thats great i would definetly use it!
 
As Dan has explained it, it makes much more sense.

I was looking at it from another angle entirely and from there it looked more painful than not. This seems to have potential.
 
OK, give me a name of the forum and the best place to position it and I'll set it up. How about something along the lines of Trade Audit and Review Board? Or some derivative.........
 
Rich,

That name is fine with me (actually I like it). How about in a bullet where adoptions and general business discussions are? Maybe even moving “shipping” and “consumer reports” closer together (example: adoptions, general business discussions, Trade Audit and Review Board, and shipping).
 
Well, perhaps this is my own undoing, but is this going to be specific to herps? I know the greater majority of the traffic to this site is related to that subset of animals, but will the trades be restricted to that group only?

Of course, if not, then that begs the question of whether I need to completely restructure the forums altogether to break out the general business discussions, consumer reports, shipped, etc., etc. out of the Reptiles and Amphibians section and into a new area concerning general FAUNA related business and related topics. Sometimes I do regret breaking away from HerpWantAds to create FaunaClassifieds, because those other sections really aren't worth maintaining, but I feel kind of stuck now. So do I just de-emphasize the other animal groups or keep hoping they will grow some?

Yeah, I know, one complication after another.
 
I doubt that there will be many non-herp related transactions. I would keep it with herps and not obsess over whether a few totally unrelated transactions find their way over.
 
So do I just de-emphasize the other animal groups or keep hoping they will grow some?
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For now I would run the horse in the direction it is running. If herps are the fastest growing segment the run with it. Trying to be all inclusive will demand an amount of effort that might not be in proportion with the results you expect.
Regards.
 
OK, the forum is in place, and Dan is the official moderator of it. Dan, if you want someone else to join you as moderator, let me know. Your decision to make, but I would suggest you try it alone for a spell first.

Thanks.
 
I know the forum has already been set up and I'm commenting on this a little late, but I thought I might as well add a few thoughts to it. Sorry if I repeat anything; I read the last 1/2 of this thread backwards.

1.) I think this is a great idea and a useful tool with a lot of potential for "newer" people like myself. A public airing of a proposed transaction prior to any exchange might make a buyer more comfortable dealing with someone like me who isn't well-known. I can see how established breeders wouldn't find it necessary though.

2.) I understand that participation would be mutual and voluntary, and I think that's the best way to go. Let's say I'm justifiably skeptical about making a purchase from a breeder who is not well-known. If he declines my offer to post the agreement, I could formulate an opinion on why he wouldn't want to make it public. I would then either continue or abort the transaction. True, it may dissuade me from going ahead with a transaction that would be flawless, but I would rather be safe than sorry.

3.) If information, pictures, details etc. are posted by either party, would they have the ability to go back and edit/delete their posts? I didn't see that mentioned anywhere. I think it would be good if it worked like the BOI where only moderators can alter posts. That way neither party can go back and change what they've said or replace/remove pictures.

4.) Someone mentioned 3rd parties interfering with a transaction. Would there be new warning points created to deal with such incidents? If so, I think it would help prevent backfires if strict guidelines were created to deal with such an occasion should it arise. For example, if I see that a new member is planning a transaction with a known bad guy, would I get in trouble for sending him a PM with a link to a bad guy thread about the other party?

Just my 5:00am thoughts... sorry if they're a little murky.
 
Thanks Rich, I’ll do as you suggest.
3.) If information, pictures, details etc. are posted by either party, would they have the ability to go back and edit/delete their posts? I didn't see that mentioned anywhere. I think it would be good if it worked like the BOI where only moderators can alter posts. That way neither party can go back and change what they've said or replace/remove pictures.
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Paul,
The participants in the agreement will not be able to amend anything. If they want to change something they will have to post again and say so. If not it would be very easy to start changing conditions at will. As far as a third party trying to bend the agreement in their favor it might happen, he better make sure that no-one learns about it.
 
OH, Come on now!

Jim O said:
:rofl: :rofl: BTW Rich, anyone who remembers "Truth or Consequences" is OLD!! :>poke2<:


I hate to admit it but I remember that show too.
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I remember Truth or Consequences, and I'm not that old...unless you ask my wife - but I snagged a youngster :dgrin:
 
The BoidSmith said:
Thanks Rich, I’ll do as you suggest.

Paul,
The participants in the agreement will not be able to amend anything. If they want to change something they will have to post again and say so. If not it would be very easy to start changing conditions at will. As far as a third party trying to bend the agreement in their favor it might happen, he better make sure that no-one learns about it.
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Dan,

Text can be locked. The same is not true for photos. They are easy to change if they are stored on another server. I might suggest that all pictures be submitted to the moderator and posted on Fauna's server so they cannot be altered or substituted later.

Rich,

Can you make space available to Dan for this?
 
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