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Wow Look At This Professional Email Bobby Pruett Sent Me!!!

You must admit that there would most assuredly be a difference in the quality of care recieved by a vet and that recieved someone else.
So is it OK to irreparably damage an animal if a trained professional does it? In that case it would be ok for a veterinarian or a biologist trained in surgical techniques to perform an operation to turn a venomous into a venomoid if I had a venomous snake that needed to become venomous. I don't buy that at all because a snake does not need to become venomoid just as cats do not need to be declawed.

The quality of care receceived then makes no or little difference, when the operation should not have been performed in the first place. I understand the thing about butchers in garages, but I know for a fact that not all venomoids are created by guys who are the modern day equivalent Gilles de Rais or Jack The Ripper. Some people who perform this surgery in their homes have been trained covertly by veterinarians, and when they perform the surgery they use the proper equipment, antiseptics, antibiotics and anesthesia. Some are actually veterinarians trained in surgical techniques who perform the venomoid procedure in operating rooms at veterinary clinics - covertly of course. Come now don't tell me you didn't know that. That does not make the procedure or the end result any better since it is irreparably harming the animal for no just cause, just as declawing a cat reportedly does likewise.

I would not want either procedure done by either type of butcher - the clean one who does it painlessly or the dirty rotten hacker in an alley - because the accomplished result is the same.

By the way, a vet never has a legal RIGHT to perform surgery. A vet has a legal PRIVELAGE which may be revoked for such things as malpractice, fraud, gross negligence, incompetence and so forth.


Best regards,
Glenn B;)
 
I guess, the only thing I find funny about some of the statements I've been seeing on here,.....everyone seems to think that ALL venomoiders are a bunch of idiots who dont know what they are doing at all. Well,...some are. You're right. There are some that have NO place trying to perform any kind of surgurey on any animal. But then, there are some, who really do know what they are doing,...and they do it the correct way. If you dont like venomoids, thats fine, but lets not try to convince everyone that ALL venomoiders are a bunch of idiot rednecks that dont have a clue.
 
Thats a insult to rednecks

Thats a insult to rednecks .
Most rednecks have more kahunas than a void owner.
and would detest pulling the fangs out of their pit bull.
voids are a yuppie pay to play type thing.
or sombody that just don't care.
I would not call voiders idiots but others might.
 
I guess, the only thing I find funny about some of the statements I've been seeing on here,.....everyone seems to think that ALL venomoiders are a bunch of idiots who dont know what they are doing at all.
Not everyone thinks that way, not me at least. I thought I made that pretty clear when I wrote:
Some people who perform this surgery in their homes have been trained covertly by veterinarians, and when they perform the surgery they use the proper equipment, antiseptics, antibiotics and anesthesia. Some are actually veterinarians trained in surgical techniques who perform the venomoid procedure in operating rooms at veterinary clinics - covertly of course.
Tell me, how do you go about creating a venomoid the correct way?
But then, there are some, who really do know what they are doing,...and they do it the correct way.
About the only surgery I find is ever needed on an animal, other than surgery for health reasons (including medical research) is spaying or neutering. This is not spaying or neutering to prevent overbreeding and an overpopulation of animals. This is not medical research. This is removing an internal organ necessary for an animal's defense, food acquisition and proper digestion. It is irreparable harm to a venomous snake. It quite possibly screws up its digestive system. It also quite possibly screws up a snake's bone structure (regardless of whether or not bones are surgically removed or altered, bone structure is often dependent upon other tissue). If this is correct then it probably screws up the alignment of the snake's jaws and possibly effects its feeding capabilities. It may also cause the snake life long pain, but that is only a hypothesis. I wonder what benefit is derived by the snake? I wonder who benefits at all?

This procedure is not done in any way to benefit the snake, or the overall population of snakes. It is not done to benefit medicine, nor to benefit mankind. It is done for profit, to benefit the person who alters and then sells the snake. This is only accomplished because, in my opinion, there exists a group of want to be bad arses, make believe macho men, and or misguided snake keepers who want to keep venomous snakes without any of the risks involved. I guess it benefits this group too in so much as it boosts their egos! The irony is that while the venomoid keeper faces no (or greatly reduced) risks of envenomation, the venomoid snake possibly now faces its own health risks due to the removal of the venom glands. Do you really think there is a right way to accomplish this? I sure don't think so; but I for one never said or implied that:
ALL venomoiders are a bunch of idiot rednecks that dont have a clue.

Best regards,
Glenn B
 
Im just curious if more venomous snakes die from Voiders or from importation? How many snakes that are available as captive bred specimens are still being imported by the hundreds or thousands? Many which die from starvation or just deplorable conditions from being stored then shipped... It seems like that would be a way bigger concern saving thousands of animals that die yearly from being imported, which would increase the value of every animal, and probably make hackers think twice. I would think it is the same greed the voiders have that the importers have.. Or even the people that buy imports.... It probably isnt anyone that hates Voiders though.... Right? Why would anyone support the starvation of animals when they are available as captive bred?
Also declawing, spaying and neutering, cropping ears, chopping tails or any surgery that is not needed to sustain life should be just as wrong from the anti-voiders perspective. Unless the only argument is how the surgery is done, you should be responsible enough to deal with claws, or to keep your pet from breeding with other animals. An attitude change on your big male Pit Bull should be fine when he hits two or comes around a female in heat. Why cut off his balls, so that you feel better about his possible attitude or the knowledge if you dont keep track of him he might breed?
I personally dont own any venomous, voids, or imports and do not really have that heavy of an opinion on any of them. I really have nothing against the spaying and neutering of animals, or other common surgeries performed by vets, but I do understand the hate felt towards people that perform un-anatheised (spelling is way off) surgeries. It all just seemed kind of hypocritical to me. How many of you anit-voiders deal with import animals? What is an acceptable loss in your eyes of animals taken from their homes to be sold so that people can have cheaper animals? 1%.... 10%..... 20%......? How many of you have had surgeries performed on your pets, for your own ease of mind or looks of the animal (cropped ears)? For having such strong feelings on voiders I hope that the answer to these questions are none, because other than the aspect of performing proper surgery, that would be very hypocritical.
Tom Baker
 
Im just curious if more venomous snakes die from Voiders or from importation? How many snakes that are available as captive bred specimens are still being imported by the hundreds or thousands? Many which die from starvation or just deplorable conditions from being stored then shipped... It seems like that would be a way bigger concern saving thousands of animals that die yearly from being imported, which would increase the value of every animal, and probably make hackers think twice.
Now to be quite frank, this sounds like little more than rhetoric you gathered from PETA. No I am not saying you are a PETA member, just that this sounds like their typical line.

The reptile business in general has become much more geared toward the well being of the animals. Specifically regarding shipping: Shipments of imported reptiles, over the past several years if not the past decade, have become much more amenable to the well being of the animals. Reptiles have been realized to be a finite resource, therefore many countries have enacted laws and regulations about collecting, farming, breeding, ranching, exporting, importing and shipping. As the countries involved have learned, so too have the great majority of exporters and importers. I know of a few people over the past couple to few years who have imported shipments of ball pythons from Africa. These shipments each contained thousands of snakes, all arrived alive and apparently in good health.
How many of you anit-voiders deal with import animals? What is an acceptable loss in your eyes of animals taken from their homes to be sold so that people can have cheaper animals? 1%.... 10%..... 20%......? How many of you have had surgeries performed on your pets, for your own ease of mind or looks of the animal (cropped ears)? For having such strong feelings on voiders I hope that the answer to these questions are none, because other than the aspect of performing proper surgery, that would be very hypocritical.
I cannot speak for others on this last issue, but I will speak for myself. I deal with imported animals sometimes. But as I said, I think your point to be little more than rhetoric when it applies to the vast majority of imported reptiles. To think that some will not die in shipment or to say that this is the same as killing any during the venomoid surgical process is, I think, off the mark, just as is using a choice of "none" in your argument. The whole idea behind shipping is not to cause the animals harm in any way, shape or form. The well being of the animals makes for the well being of the business with a limited resource such as herps. The whole idea behind creating a venomoid is to cause physical harm to an animal so it will be incapable or less capable of harming a human. The well being of the animal does not make this operation appealing, but rather the harming of the animal is what makes it so appealing. Creating a venomoid really is not comparable to importation of snakes in that regard as it would rather be to pulling all the teeth of a dog so it can no longer bite people.

As for having surgeries performed on my pets, I have had all but one of my past and present dogs and cats either neutered or spayed - actually I got most of them that way already. You may find that hypocritical; however, I find your belief that I would be hypocritical rather preposterous in light of my earlier explanation as to why I do so. In order to be a hypocrite I would have to espouse one thing and do another or the issue of venomoids, or with regard to another issue that was basically the same issue. Thus spaying/neutering would have to be the same type of issue - which they are not as far as I see them - in order to say I am being hypocritical. See my earlier in this post, and see my previous post, for my explanation as to why they are not the same type of thing. So I believe I am practicing what I preach, certainly in this regard.

Of course you can argue I should control my dogs instead of having them neutered or spayed. I would counter that I do control them, but yet have found it necessary to have had them spayed. Sure I can attempt to keep my dog away from others, but I only own female dogs. My dogs, in the past, have been attacked by horny male dogs seeking females in heat. If you ever have the experience you will know why people get their dogs spayed and neutered. You say people should control their dogs; and I do control mine. It is the dogs of other people and or strays that I cannot control, nor would I attempt to do so physically if a stray Rotweiller or Pit Bull tried to mate my mutt while I was out walking my dog. Well, I would try to keep them apart, but I would tell my children or wife not to even try. If it got to slice and dice, even I am not hoping to lose a finger or a hand to a dog like that just to keep them it screwing mine. I am not that crazy or suicidal.
The result could be harmful to my dog, and could also result in an unwanted pregnancy because of which I would have to decide as to whether or not to have the pregnancy aborted. I would rather not have to make that decision. I also would not want to take the chance that one of my female dogs would be injured by a male seeking out my bitch while he was in heat. My uncle once had a pair of purebred St. Bernhards. He had to get his female several abortion shots because local neighborhood dogs were able to impregnate her by digging under or climbing/jumping over his fence. His fence was built to code and was about 6 feet tall, yet one neighborhood dog of a much smaller size than the St.B’s could easily jump the fence and go for the female. He controlled his dogs, others did not control theirs. He finally had the female spayed as he was not intent on any breeding projects between the pair. The result was of benefit to my uncle, to society and to the dogs especially to the female St. Berhnard who was no longer pestered by every stray male that could get by the fence..

As for my cats, I sometimes have allowed my cats access to the outside. Cats are not as well adjusted to be walked on a leash as are dogs, nor are they an absolute house pet. By having them spayed or neutered I assure that my male cats have not bred all the females in their area, and I assure my females will not be come impregnated by any stray that is out there. All of the cats I have ever kept were either taken in off of the street or obtained at adoption agencies. In other words they were rescues of a sort (although I do not in any way consider myself an animal rescuer or crusader). It was a practical matter to have these cats spayed or neutered to prevent their multiplying the problem of over population. Plenty of cites and areas in which I have lived or visited often capture and kill such strays.

As to cropping, I would not have an animal's ears or tail cropped for looks, only for medically necessary reasons.

Just as a matter of fact, some of my adopted animals were adopted from animal adoption agencies. They are required to be spayed or neutered by the adoption center.


Oh well, I have gone on way too long, but that is my reasoning in a rather large coconut shell.

Best regards,
Glenn B;)
 
Glenn I do not like declawing cats either.

I also see that the comment was made that all voiders are not bad. I say this. If you are not a vet and are doing these surgeries you are breaking a law. If I am trained by a doctor to do surgery on a human but I was not a doctor would it be wrong for me to do surgery on a human?


If you are not a Vet do not play one. GO TO SCHOOL and become one. But voids are wrong IMO no matter what.
 
Spaying and neutering cannot be compared to venomoid surgery. A more reasonable comparison is declawing or debarking, or removing the canine teeth of monkeys or big cats so that they can be "housepets".

Spaying and neutering has proven health and welfare benefits to many mammal species. Additionally it is a compassionate and ethically responsible surgery that prevents the birth of more animals that cannot be adequately cared for. Veterinarians will volunteer their time at shelters to do this surgery for pets who don't have owners that can pay, because it is universally considered to be a good and ethical thing to do for animals.

There is not one vet in the world who will question the ethics of a neuter/spay operation, and a lot of them will tell you that it is unethical *not* to do it - especially in the case of some breeds which are prone to a shorter lifespan and serious reproductive problems if they are not spayed.

The ethics of cosmetic, owner-benefit surgeries like declawing, debarking and venomoiding are a subject of real concern and debate in the veterinary community. These operations are completely illegal in the UK and deemed to be animal cruelty. In the US, many vets refuse to perform them on ethical grounds.

There is no comparison between these two types of operations. Ask any veterinarian.
 
How something about a scum bucket like Pruett can become a debate of sorts on venomoids is beyond me. I have my personal opinion on venomoids but that is beside the point. Do I e mail people I don't know and call them pu$$ies because they happen to have an ad on Kingscam? No, that is bad business practice, which we all know Bobby practices.
 
Well I'll be the first to admit that the topic strayed somewhat from its original course, but that is only natural in the course of conversations. Actually it did not stray as far as you seem to think, in my opinion. First of all the topic was not Bobby Pruett, but was rather an email that he sent to someone, in response to an advertisement that poerson had for venomoids. Then a thiord party actually supported Mr. Pruett or his, in my opinion, not so nice email to the person with the venomoids because that third party thought venomoids were a bad thing.

While I don't support the practice of venomoid surgery, I also do not support someone sending out nasty emails like that either or someone making blatantly nasty posts. Not only is it, in my opinion, bad business practice as you say, but it is, in my opinion, also simply crude, rude and obnoxious behavior. I do enough of that and get enough of that in real life, so I don't need it in my virtual computer world too. I guess discussing the issue of venomoids in a civilized manner was a way of showing that someone not need do it by way of nasty emails or nasty posts. In light of that I think maybe the posts discussing venomoids were all still sort of on topic since the original topic was a nasty reply about venomoids in the first place. I must be out of my mind (LOL):D ;) :) but I actually see some sort of logic to all that.

Best regards,
Glenn B;)
 
anyone else out there getting crap like this from this fellow??
You have no idea Justin.

Yes the topic did stray and it's not the fact of getting a nasty response from someone concerning venomoids but the way the response was sent. Why not post your own name? If someone is going to verbally abuse someone else at least have the guts to let them know who you are. Lack of nerve I guess......
 
I find the comment that my post was PETA-esque to be very funny and ignorant. I have never once read any type of PETA info, nor do I take a stance on any of these subjects, except cruelty to animals by unproffessional surgery. Because I state the FACT that hundreds to thousands of animals die once imported to our country yearly, not even mentioning the possible deaths in the collection and holding abroad, I am somehow sharing opinion with PETA? How does FACT about importation have anything to do with PETA, very politician-esque.. :D If a vet were to tell you that venemoid surgery has grown leaps and bounds, just like the importation process, would that change views? Also as far as spaying and neutering, regardless of what a vet thinks, I think their are comparisons. Chopping ff the balls of a pet or performing non-vital (is this even a word?)surgery is not natural in anyway, but it is needed and helps maintain a balance that would lead to more and more homeless and abandoned animals. In reality it is only to fit the needs of pet owners, and probably not preferred by the pet. Maybe declawing and debarking are a bit more similar, but I would think that without a doubt, no anti-voider would take part in these surgeries. Just for the record..... Voids and Venemous----Don't have them, don't want them.... Non Vet Void surgeries----Should be punishable with jail time.... Spaying and Neutering----100% for it...... Debarking and declawing-----As weak as void surgery, but not illegal so if you want to.... Imports-----Should only be animals that are not readily available in captivity, but I would purchase a CH Ball Python if one caught my eye, so I obviously don't have that strong of an opinion. I thought PETA did not want us to keep any reptiles (only hearsay)? SO how are my views similar to that? Since you know so much about PETA, enlighten me...:confused:
Tom Baker
 
OFF topic

I find the comment that my post was PETA-esque to be very funny and ignorant

Okay, but can we keep this on topic?

SO how are my views similar to that? Since you know so much about PETA, enlighten me...

Okay Glen, please DO NOT enlighten Tom. THis last post he made has gone way off topic.

I really don't think Pruett had the guts to attach his name to it because that's just the way he is. The below quote sums it up perfectly!

Yes the topic did stray and it's not the fact of getting a nasty response from someone concerning venomoids but the way the response was sent. Why not post your own name? If someone is going to verbally abuse someone else at least have the guts to let them know who you are. Lack of nerve I guess......

It's what you'd expect from him.
 
I find the comment that my post was PETA-esque to be very funny and ignorant.
You say it is ignorant to say your post was 'PETA-esque' as you call it, yet you say you have never read any of their ideaology. Have you ever thought even for a moment that you could sound just like them and have the same ill informed ideas without having read any of their stuff? Thereby you could sound as if you actually had read it, if only because it matches them so closely. I am not the ignorant one here regarding the rhetoric of PETA, I have read a lot of it, and your stuff sounds just like theirs to me. Do a web search yourself I am not your flunky. End of side note to this thread for me.

Best regards,
Glenn B
 
you have got to be kidding

From: [email protected]
take a close look at this email address. This guy is jerked off because he was put out for using my pictures to try and sell his animals. His registered name on Kingsnake was WIReptiles and the name that was posted was Quality Reptiles.Heres the ad and I have the emails he sent to mike conley using my pictures. Its the personal hate you people show here for me that shows others what a joke this site can be. Nice to see all of you rain down on me when all you had to do was LOOK to see it wasnt even me. Way to go. BTW, I live in OHIO, not WI... Get a clue before you jump on the bandwagon and start bashing someone.


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Heres the email they sent Mike.
----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>;
"Inc" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 7:54 AM
Subject: Adult Female Emerald Tree Boa


> Mike, thanks for the message and your interest. I am away from my computer
until Sunday evening. When I return home, I'll gladly send you the pics you
are requesting.
>
> You are welcome to call also. We are located in Milwaukee, WI.
414-839-4859.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ryan
 
Re: OFF topic

sputnik said:
I really don't think Pruett had the guts to attach his name to it because that's just the way he is. The below quote sums it up perfectly! It's what you'd expect from him.

Then you really dont know me Scott, just like all but a few that post here. I dont have a problem putting my name with anything I post/email...If you would have took the time to look at what was posted you would have seen the reason my name wasnt signed is because it wasnt me who emailed this guy...
 
Oh, and I suppose you're an innocent little angel Bobby? Puh-lease.....you're one of the hobby's worst scumbuckets. Go back to whatever rock you crawled out from under. You only think this site is a joke because it has exposed you for the crook you really are NUMEROUS times.
 
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