Wrong sex discovered 82 days after purchase...

[jefjen]

I have to agree with John from Suncoast...At this present time,,i have 37 balls,,,17 adults and proven breeders,,,9 subs((from age 1 1/2-2 1/2)),,and 11 yearling or younger,,,and i do not have a problem sexing((popping)) any of them!!! Some say it is dangerous,,,but my adults have all been popped by me,,and they still breed successfully for me!!! Males are unmistakable,,females are sometimes more tricky,,,thats why you do it a few times just to be safe...Probing seems to be  more dangerous than popping,,,in my opinion!!! Now onto the main topic,,,a seller should be reponsible for what he sells,,,however,,,it is the buyers responsibility to sex the snake when he gets it... Its kind of a give and take,,,if the animal costs 50$$$,,no big loss,,,but if we are talking a few hundred or thousand,,thats a different story... Its up to both parties to try and work something out...Customer satisfaction is number 1 in this business... I just have to wonder((REMEMBER,,I AM TALKING ABOUT NORMAL SNAKES WHEN I SAY THIS))if it was sold as a male,,,but turned out to be female,,,would this post,,and others like it,,even be made!!?? I doubt it.... Just my opinion!!!!

 

[lyncheyez]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> Anthony that was wrong on so many levels</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Uh, yea, ok....



</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> I commend Sam for telling us what happened. Also, for not leaving Anthony hanging when he didn't get the money orders, I know how it is to be left hanging when someone said they will buy something, then all of a sudden their e-mail address disappear and their phone rings to no end.
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So you reward people who make deals that they can't pay for, have the snakes on hold for a period of time, and then back out of a deal...yea, real standup.

(That's not an attack on Sam, just your silly post about him...)

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Code Sample </td></tr><tr><td id="CODE">Anthony you have two posts on here with problems, is that supposed to tell us something about you?  
  We can't teach Anthony anything about "customer service since he isn't a business.
  Anthony, I thought you were only a hobbyist?  Why all the business problems?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

You seem a little thick; most of us "hobbyists" sell snakes, as part of our hobby. NERD is a “business”, Bob Clark is a “business”, and Ritchie Luna is a “hobbyist”, see which one isn't like the others?

Clearly you need to spend more time teaching yourself about the subject you're commenting on and less on inane postings.

 

[SPJ]

Anthony, IMO even if you are a hobbyist, you might want to consider refunding the money and getting the snake back. It is a shame that it took all this time to find out the correct sex but mistakes do happen and since it was a resale, I can't see how Sam could be responsible. See if you can work something out with the person who bought it from you. Also, try and double check the sex. Tell the person you want it shipped back to verify the sex. If it is a male, I think you should do what you can to make your customer happy. If it is a female, ship it back stating that this is the third time it has been verified as a female and there is nothing more you can do.
Who knows, maybe if you can work something out with this guy, you may have a repeat customer in the future.
It seems like it was just an honest mistake made about the sex all the way around.


Steve Jordanides

 

[ajc]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Gary Walsch @ Sep. 04 2002,22:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It's obvious that Sam made a mistake sexing the animal and he openly admits that there is a possibility that he may have mis sexed the animal, Anthony does't make any kind of claim, for almost three months, after he has already sold the animal to someone else.  No Anthony is getting high and mighty about the whole situation.  Here is the way I see it.  First of all Sam stated that there was a 48 hour return policy for any reason in which time Anthony didn't feel the need to check the sex as he had a good healthy animal.  Anthony you really don't have a leg to stand on because of the fact that the 48 hour return policy has expired, but here is the rub ....  Maybe if you were nicer to Sam at his discretion he may have done something for you, but after the way you have treated him on here if I was your dealer I would not be so inclined, and this is all subjective because someone else has the snake now anyway so your really not looking for a return or anything else other than to bust Sam's chops on a public forum ... right ?  Maybe I am misunderstanding something here and that is entirely possible but if I am, then I apologize for what I have said here but if I am right on this then I think you owe Sam an apology, because what he did is not a crime !!  It is a simple mistake that we all may have made at least once and I include myself here, but in my opinion you handled this all wrong and this thread didn't need to be started in the first place.  Again if I misunderstood something here and I am interpreting this wrong then I apologize but is that the case here or what ?

Gary Walsch
Sunshine State Reptiles</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
You are sitting here giving me the third degree for merely asking a hypothetical question, where I never mentioned Sam's name.

If you hadn't thought about that before you posted this garbage, you should probably read it again.

I did nothing wrong here pal, and Sam and I worked things out, long before you opened your mouth.  

I'm standing behind what I sold and the money is being refunded to that individual and the snake is being DRIVEN back here by a mutual friend.  I haven't screwed anyone here, nor have I said that anyone has screwed me.

So, if you want to make this out to be something bigger in your little world, knock yourself out, but I won't being going back and forth about this non-issue.

Have a good day.    <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

 

[Gary Walsch]

Did I strike a nerve ?


Gary Walsch
Sunshine State Reptiles

 

[ajc]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SPJ @ Sep. 04 2002,23:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Anthony, IMO even if you are a hobbyist, you might want to consider refunding the money and getting the snake back. It is a shame that it took all this time to find out the correct sex but mistakes do happen and since it was a resale, I can't see how Sam could be responsible. See if you can work something out with the person who bought it from you. Also, try and double check the sex. Tell the person you want it shipped back to verify the sex. If it is a male, I think you should do what you can to make your customer happy. If it is a female, ship it back stating that this is the third time it has been verified as a female and there is nothing more you can do.
Who knows, maybe if you can work something out with this guy, you may have a repeat customer in the future.
It seems like it was just an honest mistake made about the sex all the way around.


Steve Jordanides</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Thanks for the ideas, but it's all taken care of.

I never ever thought about NOT refunding my customer's money.  In fact, that will be said and done in the morning.

What it boils down to is Sam and I making the same exact mistake, agreeing to that fact, and we've already worked it out.   I was never demanding anything of him, and even though he has offered, I have agreed to just let it slide.  

I was never convinced that he was "wrong" I just wanted to see what the uspoken "rule" is in this situation.  

I also agree with some of the other scenarios, but this was NOT an $800 animal.  I do think that dollar value is very relative in this situation.

Although I don't completely agree with the majority here, this time it's easier just to chalk it up as a cool snake and lesson learned.  

I guess what I'm trying to say is....

Chit happens and that's that. <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

 

[evansnakes]

At the time of purchase it was the sellers fault for not correctly selling or representing the animal. Once you bought it it is 100% your responsibility and not that of the seller to to verify the sex. On my pricelist and website (coming soon) it states: "Correct sexing is guaranteed. Everybody makes mistakes. I encourage every buyer to double check the sex of the animal purchased on the spot or very shortly there after. If I am informed within 30 days of purchase that there has been an error on my part I am happy to correct it. Any longer and the buyer is at fault for not verifying the sex and no refund will be made. Thanks very much." Evan Stahl

 

[Seamus Haley]

This may not initially seem related to this topic but, after some slight consideration it should be apparant that it is relevant both here and on many other posts on the BOI.

There is a concept known as neurolinguistic manipulation. A common name for it is "Doublespeak". Politicians are an excellent example. The basic premise, without getting really in depth here, is that someone makes a statement that can not, taken at face value, be seen as negative, confrontational, damageing (or anything else, but for some reason it's usually more bad than good)... But the manner in which it's said leaves the listener (reader) with a very strong impression that there is something negative in there somewhere...

Statements such as "I'm too nice to mention" "I don't think you're a bad person BUT," "I'm not trying to do a badguy post BUT" and of course many FAR more subtle variations. It allows someone to appear to be, on the surface, a genuinely nice, decent and very non-confrontational individual while horribly slamming someone in the eyes of anyone who reads it. Or attempting to anyway, it doesn't always work.

One can also assume, when performing something of this nature, that certain questions will be asked... Thus shifting the "blame" for the release of information onto another individual... "I wasn't going to give his name, but they asked and I couldn't lie"... In this case of course, the seller spoke up before that was needed, but the original post was literally seething with this kind of two faced nonsense. An attempt to try and get back at someone, based in "Buyer's regret" as I think someone mentioned, while maintaining a superficial appearance of being someone other dealers wouldn't mind doing buisness with.

The further posts by the topic starter were full of the exact same thing. And a very crude and unsubtle form that virtually everyone picked up on, even if they didn't realize it.

The "facts" here are as follows... A person purchased a snake, the stated and agreed upon refund policy expired (the debate about the policy specifics don't enter into it at all, they were agreed to, they stand. If they had included three human babies sacrificed by the light of the full moon and had been agreed to, they would stand.)... That person then resold the snake and had a problem with their purchaser... And found themselves suddenly regretting this purchase, very nearly three months later... Outside of any further deals and arrangements that had been made, their first instinct was to go after someone who, at this point, was seriously disassociated from the situation... And to do so in a manner that, despite claims made to the contrary, contained an implicit threat to the reputation of that seller and their continued ability to sell, wrapped in very simplistic doublespeak, apparantly thinking we're all too stupid to see it for what it is...

Further this SAME person has another post asking about ANOTHER sketchy situation that they are trying to evade responsibility for, again with that shifty movement of blame (he didn't say it was 90 degrees, it's fed ex's fault) and a very apparant desire to avoid any responsibility despite claims to the contrary...

If anyone wants to know who to avoid selling to or buying from, Anthony here has shown themselves to be a customer service nightmare on several levels. I would never consider selling, purchaseing, giving, taking for free, taking advise from, touching, looking at, reccomending or interacting in any way whatsoever with this guy or any animal he's ever owned at this point. The swarms of "Not my fault that..." that would follow any interaction or dealings make me want to vomit even in slight contemplation... The excuses and doublespeak and blame shifting and refusal to accept responsibility for anything that occurs are simply too much for anyone honest to have to deal with.

It may not be Jesse Underhill style bad deals and problems... But in terms of headaches I don't think it'd be far behind.

Anthony, thank you for this post, as well as the shipping post, you have successfuly informed me of yet another person with whom I should never contemplate buisness of any nature.



As a side note, that difference between hobbiest and buisness certainly exists in some areas, volume of sales, animals dealt with and perhaps the speed at which transactions happen... But the important issues, Honesty with your customer or seller, quality animals, proper shipping and the  manner in which all parties involved abide by WHATEVER agreement is made throughout the entire transaction are all identical. It may take longer to contact a hobbiest, the animals may be shipped in a perfectly servicable and solid VCR box rather than something with a buisness name on the side... But it's the exact same thing in many respects. Occasionally mistakes happen, customer service and satisfaction is one of the most important keystones of the industry... But eighty two days after an animal was sold?! Give me a break, this guy was looking to shift blame and for an easy out to his problem with his new customer, one that didn't involve him taking any responsibility for his own conduct.

Incidentally... Eighty two days is Forty one times the duration of the guarantee, or at least the duration of time to report problems in...

For those guys who offer thirty day guarantees (I commend you, it does show a great deal of confidence in your product and "going that extra mile") Would any of you refund an animal that turned out to be slightly and accidently misrepresented Three years, four months later?

Just a thought.

 

[ajc]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Seamus Haley @ Sep. 05 2002,03:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This may not initially seem related to this topic but, after some slight consideration it should be apparant that it is relevant both here and on many other posts on the BOI.

There is a concept known as neurolinguistic manipulation. A common name for it is "Doublespeak". Politicians are an excellent example. The basic premise, without getting really in depth here, is that someone makes a statement that can not, taken at face value, be seen as negative, confrontational, damageing (or anything else, but for some reason it's usually more bad than good)... But the manner in which it's said leaves the listener (reader) with a very strong impression that there is something negative in there somewhere...

Statements such as "I'm too nice to mention" "I don't think you're a bad person BUT," "I'm not trying to do a badguy post BUT" and of course many FAR more subtle variations. It allows someone to appear to be, on the surface, a genuinely nice, decent and very non-confrontational individual while horribly slamming someone in the eyes of anyone who reads it. Or attempting to anyway, it doesn't always work.

One can also assume, when performing something of this nature, that certain questions will be asked... Thus shifting the "blame" for the release of information onto another individual... "I wasn't going to give his name, but they asked and I couldn't lie"... In this case of course, the seller spoke up before that was needed, but the original post was literally seething with this kind of two faced nonsense. An attempt to try and get back at someone, based in "Buyer's regret" as I think someone mentioned, while maintaining a superficial appearance of being someone other dealers wouldn't mind doing buisness with.

The further posts by the topic starter were full of the exact same thing. And a very crude and unsubtle form that virtually everyone picked up on, even if they didn't realize it.

The "facts" here are as follows... A person purchased a snake, the stated and agreed upon refund policy expired (the debate about the policy specifics don't enter into it at all, they were agreed to, they stand. If they had included three human babies sacrificed by the light of the full moon and had been agreed to, they would stand.)... That person then resold the snake and had a problem with their purchaser... And found themselves suddenly regretting this purchase, very nearly three months later... Outside of any further deals and arrangements that had been made, their first instinct was to go after someone who, at this point, was seriously disassociated from the situation... And to do so in a manner that, despite claims made to the contrary, contained an implicit threat to the reputation of that seller and their continued ability to sell, wrapped in very simplistic doublespeak, apparantly thinking we're all too stupid to see it for what it is...

Further this SAME person has another post asking about ANOTHER sketchy situation that they are trying to evade responsibility for, again with that shifty movement of blame (he didn't say it was 90 degrees, it's fed ex's fault) and a very apparant desire to avoid any responsibility despite claims to the contrary...

If anyone wants to know who to avoid selling to or buying from, Anthony here has shown themselves to be a customer service nightmare on several levels. I would never consider selling, purchaseing, giving, taking for free, taking advise from, touching, looking at, reccomending or interacting in any way whatsoever with this guy or any animal he's ever owned at this point. The swarms of "Not my fault that..." that would follow any interaction or dealings make me want to vomit even in slight contemplation... The excuses and doublespeak and blame shifting and refusal to accept responsibility for anything that occurs are simply too much for anyone honest to have to deal with.

It may not be Jesse Underhill style bad deals and problems... But in terms of headaches I don't think it'd be far behind.

Anthony, thank you for this post, as well as the shipping post, you have successfuly informed me of yet another person with whom I should never contemplate buisness of any nature.



As a side note, that difference between hobbiest and buisness certainly exists in some areas, volume of sales, animals dealt with and perhaps the speed at which transactions happen... But the important issues, Honesty with your customer or seller, quality animals, proper shipping and the  manner in which all parties involved abide by WHATEVER agreement is made throughout the entire transaction are all identical. It may take longer to contact a hobbiest, the animals may be shipped in a perfectly servicable and solid VCR box rather than something with a buisness name on the side... But it's the exact same thing in many respects. Occasionally mistakes happen, customer service and satisfaction is one of the most important keystones of the industry... But eighty two days after an animal was sold?! Give me a break, this guy was looking to shift blame and for an easy out to his problem with his new customer, one that didn't involve him taking any responsibility for his own conduct.

Incidentally... Eighty two days is Forty one times the duration of the guarantee, or at least the duration of time to report problems in...

For those guys who offer thirty day guarantees (I commend you, it does show a great deal of confidence in your product and "going that extra mile") Would any of you refund an animal that turned out to be slightly and accidently misrepresented Three years, four months later?

Just a thought.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Yoda,

Instead of continuing to spin horse chit into Egyptian cotton (which you do quite well), take your head out and notice that I've not evaded any responsibility whatsoever.    

Both of my customers' money has been refunded, so please find something better to do with your time, and let it rest.

 

[jefjen]

I am still waiting for some replies to my earlier post... If it was sold as a 40 dollar MALE BALL,,,and turned out to be a FEMALE BALL,,would anyone have a problem with that?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> would anyone want a refund then??? i would not...
 Jeff

 

[Seamus Haley]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yoda,

Instead of continuing to spin horse chit into Egyptian cotton (which you do quite well), take your head out and notice that I've not evaded any responsibility whatsoever.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Because your reputation would have been completely trashed had you been able to get a few more people to agree with your proposed solutions; forcing the original seller  to refund the difference on the mis-sexed ball and only refunding 1/2 of the fed-exed animal,  despite your choice to use a carrier that won't  insure any live animal shipments.

Had you been able to get away with it... you would never have taken  responsibility for your own poor choices. This is evident to anyone with a brain, you denying it doesn't invalidate the statement, nor does the insinuation that my thoughts on the matter are "chit".

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Both of my customers' money has been refunded, so please find something better to do with your time, and let it rest.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Only because you would have been unable to get away with not refunding it because you chose to post iT on this board. You shot yourself in the foot.

Don't get uppity because people can see through your juvenile Bull####, it's easy enough for anyone with a brain and a mentality above that of a thirteen year old kid... This entire attempt to get angry and somehow cow people into the halt of their comments won't work on the two threads you started that damaged your reputation either...

You showed yourself to be a whiner.
You showed yourself to be a person who attempts to shift blame around.
You showed yourself to have buyers remorse.
You showed yourself to have sellers remorse.
Had you been able to get away with it, you never would have made anything right for either of your customers.

You also made outright ridiculous posts asking about the morality of a few very clear cut issues, hoping that someone out there would agree with Widdle Ant'ony that it wasn't his fault, he doesn't have to take any responsibility...

Be honest now... you have the mentality of an eight year old when it comes to these things. Were you an overlooked middle child or did your parents split up and allow you to do whatever you wanted to make up for it or what here?  The shifting blame, the "name calling" the search for others to fix YOUR problems...

You're a third grader in your business ethics. I'm shocked the term "No takebacks" didn't crop up...

Like I said before, despite your very obvious and ineffective attempt at neurolinguistic manipulation, you've shown everyone who the "Bad Guy" is... Anybody with a brain would never do buisness with you at this point...

Unless their kids just moved out and they want to deal with a stubborn, ignorant, juvenile, whiney Brat. Then I can see buisness with you as being an ideal  situation for treating empty nest syndrome. Although on the other hand, I imagine most everyone on this board who has older children has much smarter and politer ones than you... So perhaps not.

As to the yoda crack there... While I am short, bald and ugly... I'm also much louder than he was. No cosmic harmony here... Just strength of conviction and the ability to detect B.S. from three miles.

 

[lyncheyez]

Hey Seamus Haley, I'd be very careful, you could hurt yourself if you ever fall off that "high-horse"...it's one of the biggest one I've seen.

90% of what you pass in your posts here are your "opinion" about what AJC "may" have done "if" things were different. They're not....

(BTW I'm thinking of number between 3-31, any guesses...?)


I've deal with Anthony (though I don't "know" him) on several deals and have had nothing but good experiences with him, so I'd ease up on labeling him with some "with your reputation" tag that if based predominantly on your “predictions of what might have been”.

 

[ajc]

Yoda, Yoda, Yoda... =)

I feel sorry for your type.  You are the typical internet jerk, who has probably been picked on and spoken to like a piece of chit your entire life.  You have some obvious hostility built up, but you're afraid to talk to people like this in real life, probably because you feel inferior.  This is why you come here.  

I can almost guarantee that you'd never talk to anyone like this, if you were standing in front of them, face to face.  

Have a good day.

 

[ajc]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (lyncheyez @ Sep. 05 2002,21:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hey Seamus Haley, I'd be very careful, you could hurt yourself if you ever fall off that "high-horse"...it's one of the biggest one I've seen.

90% of what you pass in your posts here are your "opinion" about what AJC "may" have done "if" things were different. They're not....

(BTW I'm thinking of number between 3-31, any guesses...?)


I've deal with Anthony (though I don't "know" him) on several deals and have had nothing but good experiences with him, so I'd ease up on labeling him with some "with your reputation" tag that if based predominantly on your “predictions of what might have been”.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Thanks Randy.  You're exactly right.   That guy has an uncanny ability to sound like a level headed, logical human being...that is until you look at the hard facts and figure out that he thinks he is Miss Cleo.


To everyone else,

BOTTOM LINE:  I've NEVER made an unfair transaction with anyone.  NEVER.

And, I challenge anyone of you who have said anything bad about me to To everyone else,

THIS WILL BE MY LAST POST ON THIS TOPIC.


BOTTOM LINE:  I've NEVER made an unfair transaction with anyone.  NEVER.  Those who have dealt with me know this.

And, I challenge anyone of you who have said anything bad about me to find someone that will claim any differently.  

If you can, post the info here, and I'll send you $100.   If not, please find something better to do with your evening.

Is this fair enough?

 

[jefjen]

Come on guys..Stop with the name calling...That is third grader stuff!!! I think this discussion is over with..I mean no disrespect,,however,,  yall
((AJC AND Seamus))are both acting in a very unproffesional manner!!!Seamus,,you stated your opinion,,and that is fine,,but the name calling?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> Anthony,,stop the name calling too..Regardless of who is at fault for the mis sexed snake,,,it has supposedly been taken care of,,right AJC?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> Good...Seamus,,,you will never buy anything from Tony,,fine... that is your option.. While this all is very entertaining,,stick to the facts guys!!! The more that you two bicker,,,the worse your rep gets... There is absolutely no reason to attack each other.. Yall didnt evendeal with each other,,so stop acting like kids!!!The name calling will get your posting priv. taken away... you dont want that to happen,,do you???
Jeff

 

[sexysnake]

lyncheyez,
   Give me a break!  Are you getting free animals out of your praises for Anthony?  Obvoiuosly you need to re-read the post and get back to me. Anthony is the one who portrayed himself as "thick" to business practices cause he was ONLY a hobbyist, so go crawl under the rock where you came from.
   You are the only one who thinks he is in the right.  Obviously you have a problem and need help understanding posts clearly.

 

[Bobby Douglass]

You know, AJC could have just ignored both issues and not given either of his customers any money back like the real "bad guys" do. Instead he came here looking for opinions on how he should handle each situation. Even though he didn't completely agree with everyone's opinions he took them into consideration and took care of both deals as the majority suggested that he do. I've never spoken to him or bought anything from him but I don't think he should be considered someone we shouldn't deal with due to anything on either of his threads here. As far as I know the only one that lost any money in the deals is Anthony.

Bobby Douglass

 

[ajc]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sexysnake @ Sep. 05 2002,21:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">lyncheyez,
   Give me a break!  Are you getting free animals out of your praises for Anthony?  Obvoiuosly you need to re-read the post and get back to me. Anthony is the one who portrayed himself as "thick" to business practices cause he was ONLY a hobbyist, so go crawl under the rock where you came from.
   You are the only one who thinks he is in the right.  Obviously you have a problem and need help understanding posts clearly.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
First off...

Business practices?  They are snakes.  I'm not in the snake business.  I design web sites and fix computers.  I've never had a website design die of overheating in a FedEx truck.  Nor have I ever mis-judged the sex of a computer.  

That said, I live the good life, keep some neat snakes, and whether or not you buy a $200 or $300 snake from me will never change that.

In fact, with the quality of the animals that I'm working with, and the small number that I keep, I will be hard pressed to ever produce enough to meet the demand that is out there.  In other words, I don't need your "business" to live the lifestyle I choose, nor do I need it to make me enjoy my hobby.   Not to be hostile, but the brutal reality is that I don't know you and you (or your opinion) really don't matter to me.

Do you see the picture I'm painting?

Correct...I am being fair because I want to do the right thing, NOT because my snake business reputation will be ruined, and  NOT because my mortgage payment depends on it.

And last but not least...

Lyncheyez is also the only one posting here that's ever bought from me.   Maybe he knows that I deal fairly and knows that I wouldn't bother hosing anyone over a few hundred bucks.  He knows that I don't need anyone's money that bad.

 

[Lucas Denning]

I completely agree w/a lot of what Seamus had to say in both of those posts.  Granted, some of the name calling and such may have been a bit unecessary.  But, I have gotten the feeling that Anthony doesn't like to take responsibility for his actions and he does like to shift blame.  I still don't understand how this can be blamed on Fed Ex.  
Fed Ex doesn't guarantee live arrival.  
They don't even knowingly TAKE live animals.
He shipped an animal that could conceivalby experience 90 (tried to blame that on buyer)plus temps and didn't use an ice pack.
And I have to say that the (unnamed) lyncheyes has a bit of a biased opinion here, and is sticking up for Anthony because he knows him.
I don't doubt that Anthony has never treated anyone unfairly.  But, that's not what is in question here.  It's just the fact that Anthony doesn't seem to like taking responsibility for his actions and likes to shift blame.
My opinion.......
-Lucas-

 

[lyncheyez]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Give me a break!  Are you getting free animals out of your praises for Anthony?  Obvoiuosly you need to re-read the post and get back to me. Anthony is the one who portrayed himself as "thick" to business practices cause he was ONLY a hobbyist, so go crawl under the rock where you came from.
  You are the only one who thinks he is in the right.  Obviously you have a problem and need help understanding posts clearly.
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Now here is the kind of sad mentality that I'm trying to work against. Your post has no basis on any fact, it just you trying to self-actualize espousing nonsensical BS and insults.
Since they canceled “Springer” people like yourself come here with nothing to offer, but post anyway to create drama…

The only rock here seems to be the one on your shoulders...