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Ok this sucks, i lost 4 out of a 7 egg cluth... then to boot one of my lavender albinos is severly Kinked!!!! hell of a way to start breeding!!! :ack2:

poor little guy!
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Mark McVay said:
Take a look at maternal incubation.. Incubators are a surefire way to produce stuff just like this!
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and this was proven when? Most deformities are due to fluctuation in temps... It is much easier to control temps in an incubator than it is via maternal incubation.

Seriously, sucks that the baby is kinked :( Do you think it is so severe it won't be able to live? It would still make a decent pet if it can function normally... Poor thing. How is the other little one?
 
Abby said:
and this was proven when? Most deformities are due to fluctuation in temps... It is much easier to control temps in an incubator than it is via maternal incubation.

Seriously, sucks that the baby is kinked :( Do you think it is so severe it won't be able to live? It would still make a decent pet if it can function normally... Poor thing. How is the other little one?
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I pulled it out of the egg afew inches I Really dont see anyway it be able to live but im gonna give it every chance possible it has atleast 3 90degree kinds in it.. the other 2 snakes seem ok both the lav and normal.... :shrug01:
 
Krazykracka said:
I pulled it out of the egg afew inches I Really dont see anyway it be able to live but im gonna give it every chance possible it has atleast 3 90degree kinds in it.. the other 2 snakes seem ok both the lav and normal.... :shrug01:
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I've seen some badly kinked caramels live full lives (go on Youtube and look at Ralph Davis's videos...) so I'd say giving it a chance is a good idea... If it isn't meant to be it will die... It sucks, but unfortunately you gotta take the bad with the good sometimes.

Still, 1 perfect Lavender out of 3 surviving eggs is pretty good odds if you ask me :) Try to look on the bright side as hard as it may be!
 
Mark McVay said:
Take a look at maternal incubation.. Incubators are a surefire way to produce stuff just like this!
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Certainly incubators can cause issues but so can maternally incubating.

I wouldn't leave possible $10,000 clutches with the females to incubate unless absolutely necessary, I have way better control of temperature and humidity in an incubator.

Having a stable incubator means having most of your babies turn out just fine, we are dealing with little lives here and to put it bluntly "crap happens" and it happens no matter what way you incubate your eggs.
 
Very sorry about the losses. :(



Mark McVay said:
Take a look at maternal incubation.. Incubators are a surefire way to produce stuff just like this!
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Maternal incubation is great (IMO) but it doesn't protect against deformities like these. I hatched a severely kinked baby from one of my brooding moms this year. This has just been a lousy year for a lot of people.
 
I had one just as bad ..... You will have to do some surgery if you want to try to help it. If you look at it you will see that where those kinks are the skin on the stomach is ether not connected or where it is connected it is fused together folded in on itself.
With out cutting and fixing the problems it's not going to survive and even then it might not. Sadly ours did not make it. I think ours had some internal probles also as it never thrived.
 
I would not recommend a Non-Vet performing Vet procedures. It will be more painful, and wasteful as one doesn't have the necessary training and equipment on hand. If one can not deal with the need to cull certain animals...one should not be breeding.

*Of course unless one IS a Vet with a list of friends to take such animals as pets.
 
deborahbroadus said:
I would not recommend a Non-Vet performing Vet procedures. It will be more painful, and wasteful as one doesn't have the necessary training and equipment on hand. If one can not deal with the need to cull certain animals...one should not be breeding.

*Of course unless one IS a Vet with a list of friends to take such animals as pets.
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I have no intention of trying to preform any surgery on the poor little guy. and if it proves to be necessary i will Kill it. but for right now im gonna hope it can survive and keep it as a pet if i can... sorry i just hate the word cull the intention does not change the action, its killing no matter what you call it!
 
Krazykracka said:
I have no intention of trying to preform any surgery on the poor little guy. and if it proves to be necessary i will Kill it. but for right now im gonna hope it can survive and keep it as a pet if i can... sorry i just hate the word cull the intention does not change the action, its killing no matter what you call it!
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It may seem cruel, but what's worse - humanely euthanizing or taking a 'wait and see' approach and cause further suffering for the animal? Reptiles may not exhibit pain the same way other animals do, but that doesn't mean that they aren't experiencing it. Letting an animal starve to death because its physically unable to feed itself is something I can't do.
 
Sorry but if you don't, then you might as well cull it cuz it's not going to make it as is.

On a side not, you Don't have to be a vet to do what needs to be done. If one can't handle it then maybe they shouldn't be breeders? Pain is not the same in them as in people and they don't do well with anesthesia, so pain is an different issue altogether.
 
Krazykracka said:
I have no intention of trying to preform any surgery on the poor little guy. and if it proves to be necessary i will Kill it. but for right now im gonna hope it can survive and keep it as a pet if i can... sorry i just hate the word cull the intention does not change the action, its killing no matter what you call it!
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Cull doesn't always mean kill though - it just means "remove from the gene pool". So technically, even giving it a pet home would be culling it. :D

I think it's worth a shot to give it a chance.
 
After checking the snake over more its apparent the kinks are even worse then I first thought...... Killing it is the only option now! Thank you all for your opinions!

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