WTH Rich!

[critical bill]

Rich, after sifting back through all of the links i had clicked through the fish and wild life site, you are correct. i did not notice it was california, so it is useless and doesn't apply to florida. i did not notice one of the links redirected me to california. see, even i can make a mistake once in a while but i can also man up to it.

Ahhh yes, the link redirected me so its not my fault I was mistaken excuse. Ranks right up there with the dog ate my homework assignment excuse.

Man up to it? Mistakes made are generally followed up with a sincere apology. That doesn't even sound remotely like an apology.

You made libelous statements and followed it up with false information. I would sue you if I were Rich. Not that I believe you'd have anything that's worth anything, but just to make you the example of what isn't going to be tolerated around here.

You manned up to it.....lol......yeah right. Why don't you just bow your head and slink away.

Put that between your huggers and chew on it.

 

[WebSlave]

Rich, after sifting back through all of the links i had clicked through the fish and wild life site, you are correct. i did not notice it was california, so it is useless and doesn't apply to florida. i did not notice one of the links redirected me to california. see, even i can make a mistake once in a while but i can also man up to it.

Sure, I can see how that can happen. That big logo showing "California" at the top of the page could be missed by anyone. And the heading stating "California Code of Regulations" is tough to read as well. And heck, who would have thought that all those desert species listed in the bag limits section are not native to Florida? I guess everyone loves hunting for Rosy Boas and Alligator Lizards in the Everglades....

Yep, VERY easy mistake to make....

 

[critical bill]

LMAO!

 

[xanaxez]

Ahhh yes, the link redirected me so its not my fault I was mistaken excuse. Ranks right up there with the dog ate my homework assignment excuse.

Man up to it? Mistakes made are generally followed up with a sincere apology. That doesn't even sound remotely like an apology.

You made libelous statements and followed it up with false information. I would sue you if I were Rich. Not that I believe you'd have anything that's worth anything, but just to make you the example of what isn't going to be tolerated around here.

You manned up to it.....lol......yeah right. Why don't you just bow your head and slink away.

Put that between your huggers and chew on it.

That's weak coming from you chuck. i had though you could have came up with something a little better than that. i guess i was wrong again by thinking you could lmao. go to any of them, the headers and beginning of all of them are useless information on any of the pages so why read the BS areas? if you or rich thought i posted it in a malicious attack or one of your other bogus theorys you seem too have... then why am i still here????? maybe Rich enjoys having a person around that put you in check. i got infractions for making that comment to you and you just made it and bypassed the sensor. isnt it an infraction to blatantly bypass the infraction system????? oh wait.. you're rich's lap dog so i guess you can get away with it right????????? lmao... make a hell thread for us chuck, where anything can be said... i'll rip your wanna be lap dog azz apart in it.

 

[deborahbroadus]

That's weak coming from you chuck. i had though you could have came up with something a little better than that. i guess i was wrong again by thinking you could lmao. go to any of them, the headers and beginning of all of them are useless information on any of the pages so why read the BS areas? if you or rich thought i posted it in a malicious attack or one of your other bogus theorys you seem too have... then why am i still here????? maybe Rich enjoys having a person around that put you in check. i got infractions for making that comment to you and you just made it and bypassed the sensor. isnt it an infraction to blatantly bypass the infraction system????? oh wait.. you're rich's lap dog so i guess you can get away with it right????????? lmao... make a hell thread for us chuck, where anything can be said... i'll rip your wanna be lap dog azz apart in it.

WoW...just WoW... I hate fighting.

 

[critical bill]

WoW...just WoW... I hate fighting.

I hate fighting too. I refuse to even respond to him. He is so immature that he thinks a cussing fight in the hell forum is the way to solve his differences.

And more importantly, he isn't even aware that personal attacks against members in the hell forum are not permitted. That just goes to show you how well he knows the rules. I could have set him up and told him to go make the thread about me in hell and watched him be banned, but I'm better than he is.

And if you'll notice, he still hasn't manned up and apologized for labeling Rich a felon and providing false information to back that up.

 

[hhmoore]

i got infractions for making that comment to you and you just made it and bypassed the sensor1. isnt it an infraction to blatantly bypass the infraction system?????2 oh wait.. you're rich's lap dog so i guess you can get away with it right?????????3 lmao... make a hell thread for us chuck, where anything can be said... i'll rip your wanna be lap dog azz apart in it.4

You're pushing things with that, Bo...in order:
1) he didn't bypass a sensor, he censored the part that earned you the infraction
2) what??? The way that one blatantly bypasses the infraction system is following the rules, why would that earn an infraction?
3) the thing is, Rich didn't give you the infractions you incurred in this thread...Ken and I did. Consider it a gift that I'm wasting time like this rather than giving you another one, since I have already posted warnings in this thread about the personal conflicts
4) **HELL** is no longer a venue for personal squabbles. There is a "sticky thread" to that effect at the top of that forums thread list. This site isn't hosting those free-for-alls anymore.

And, just because you opted go the extra distance for that last post, I'm going off the boards for #5.
5) seems like not reading, then firing off comments based on your erroneous impressions might be becoming a habit, Bo. As such, you might want to make a personal note to double check your information before you again.

 

[WebSlave]

And if you'll notice, he still hasn't manned up and apologized for labeling Rich a felon and providing false information to back that up.

He still has about nine hours to apologize or come up with the proof that I did in fact violate the law. Of course, based on his previous "error" he will need to provide verifiable proof of his claims, as he is pretty credibility-challenged at this point.

if you or rich thought i posted it in a malicious attack or one of your other bogus theorys you seem too have... then why am i still here?????

Please see above. That is the ONLY reason you are still here..... And the clock is ticking.....

 

[Southern Wolf]

As a government employee, I can't be seen breaking laws no matter how unfair I believe them to be (if I want to remain employed there).

I feel your pain... Im in the same boat.

 

[critical bill]

He still has about nine hours to apologize or come up with the proof that I did in fact violate the law. Of course, based on his previous "error" he will need to provide verifiable proof of his claims, as he is pretty credibility-challenged at this point.

As per my nazi wife's instructions, I just sent you a PM.

Please let me know you got it.

 

[xanaxez]

He still has about nine hours to apologize or come up with the proof that I did in fact violate the law. Of course, based on his previous "error" he will need to provide verifiable proof of his claims, as he is pretty credibility-challenged at this point.

I wouldnt hold my breath on that or waste the 9 hours Rich. your banning this name doesnt bother me 1 bit.we both know if i really wanted to be here your little system couldnt stop it. just remember... i'm as computer savvy as you are Rich. If you can't man up to what you did was wrong rich... then you're more of a pussy than i thought.

Please see above. That is the ONLY reason you are still here..... And the clock is ticking.....

Tick..Tock...Tick...Tock.... i still have you and your playgirl chuck swinging from my cock.

Ban me Bitch

 

[Southern Wolf]

I suppose it is just a coincidence that some of the primary antagonists here are also major players in another competing site..........

Yeah, I think it's pretty obvious what is going on. I believe there is WAY more behind this then you guys would like it to appear. The fanaticism being displayed just doesn't make sense unless there is a lot more behind it.

If you want this to blow up into a divisive war, then be my guest. Trust me I am MORE than up to the task. I have LOTS of time on my hands now.

Actually your wrong here Rich. Im a major playing in two competing websites.... and both of those are supporting the BOI by flying banners and driving traffic to THIS site. I have backstage passes to both sites... and I have not seen a US AGAINST RICH thread in either location.

I really think your grasping on this one.

The point that Ron was trying to make is this.... your talking about releasing snakes that you produced. The HSUS and PETA would give a rats butt that they are native to that area. All they will see is one of FL's biggest snake producers was releasing snakes. You cant deny that they are very good at twisting things to make it fit their needs.

 

[WebSlave]

As per my nazi wife's instructions, I just sent you a PM.

Please let me know you got it.

Got it, and replied. I AM considering it.....

 

[WebSlave]

Tick..Tock...Tick...Tock.... i still have you and your playgirl chuck swinging from my cock.

Ban me Bitch

My pleasure! I knew you would take this opportunity to wrap the rope soundly around your own neck and jump. Thanks for not disappointing me.

BTW, thanks for getting me on email lists for drugs. I checked your member name on Google............

 

[WebSlave]

Actually your wrong here Rich. Im a major playing in two competing websites.... and both of those are supporting the BOI by flying banners and driving traffic to THIS site. I have backstage passes to both sites... and I have not seen a US AGAINST RICH thread in either location.

I really think your grasping on this one.

The point that Ron was trying to make is this.... your talking about releasing snakes that you produced. The HSUS and PETA would give a rats butt that they are native to that area. All they will see is one of FL's biggest snake producers was releasing snakes. You cant deny that they are very good at twisting things to make it fit their needs.

Then perhaps we aren't talking about the same website, as the thread I am referring to is most CERTAINLY there now. I would point it out to you, but I refuse to give that site the courtesy of advertising or promotion here at all. Sorry, but I think most people know that I don't engage in fruitless or frivolous "grasping". Unlike others who have participated in this thread, I try to make damn certain my facts actually exist.

Sorry about that, but fear of HSUS and PETA has never ruled my life. I'm very sorry that they have you guys running so scared that sanity and common decency have apparently suffered. I believe Ron could have better controlled his composure instead of coming across like he did, but if that is the sort of defense that this industry is going to offer up against the likes of HSUS and the SPCA, well, I fear this doesn't bode well at all... You guys have much bigger issues to contend with then boogey men under the bed caused by some guy releasing native corn snakes in their home range.

So do this industry a favor, please. Keep the fanatic faction that I am seeing running rampant away from the people who actually make the decisions. Otherwise you might as well kiss this all goodbye. Yeah alienating a portion of the people who you need support from is a REAL smart idea right now.... Do you REALLY want to turn me into an enemy?

 

[MikeCurtin]

Then perhaps we aren't talking about the same website, as the thread I am referring to is most CERTAINLY there now. I would point it out to you, but I refuse to give that site the courtesy of advertising or promotion here at all. Sorry, but I think most people know that I don't engage in fruitless or frivolous "grasping". Unlike others who have participated in this thread, I try to make damn certain my facts actually exist.

Sorry about that, but fear of HSUS and PETA has never ruled my life. I'm very sorry that they have you guys running so scared that sanity and common decency have apparently suffered. I believe Ron could have better controlled his composure instead of coming across like he did, but if that is the sort of defense that this industry is going to offer up against the likes of HSUS and the SPCA, well, I fear this doesn't bode well at all... You guys have much bigger issues to contend with then boogey men under the bed caused by some guy releasing native corn snakes in their home range.

So do this industry a favor, please. Keep the fanatic faction that I am seeing running rampant away from the people who actually make the decisions. Otherwise you might as well kiss this all goodbye. Yeah alienating a portion of the people who you need support from is a REAL smart idea right now.... Do you REALLY want to turn me into an enemy?

Rich, I know the thread of which you speak. Have you read the thread personally? I have not read it in its entirety, but from what I have, the sentiment expressed was not much different than what has been expressed here. That is, disappointment and concern over you decisions to release captive born animals, and its potential impact on our hobby.

I understand you sold your collection and that further release is no longer an issue, however the impact your decisions may have made is much more reaching than you may realize. There is the real potential for people in the HSUS and PETA camps to use you as a bad example (I know you don't really care, so we'll leave that alone).

There is an even greater potential for hobbyists who really look up to you to release their animals in a similar fashion. What you have done for the herp community is HUGE!!! It is not unlikely that up and coming hobbyists will release "problem" animals or animals they think would be cool to have on their property...regardless of whether or not they are indigenous. Like it or not, you are setting a precedent.

 

[WebSlave]

No, I havent read the thread lately. I stopped when the profanity and name calling got too hot and heavy.

I am sorry that people are disappointed with my opinion, but that's just the way it is. If I have not explained my reasoning sufficiently enough, then there just aren't enough different words in the English language for me to be able to do that. So what is the purpose of the continued bashing? What is hoped to be accomplished? Does anyone really think they are going to change my mind without any SOLID FACTS to produce? Sorry, but I just don't live in fear of some fanatical groups, no matter which side they are on, and cower in fear from some far-fetched theoretical and completely unproven potential results of my actions. If those forces want to find issues with this industry, hell, they already have a boatload of material to work with. What, you feed snakes LIVE rodents? No, you don't? You KILL them yourselves before you feed them to the snakes? No? You get FROZEN mice where there are companies whose sole business is to KILL helpless mice and rats in HUGE quantities just to feed to your captive snakes? Yeah, try to win any points with the public fighting THAT argument! So if you want to live in that sort of fear, then you might was well tuck your tail between your legs now and give up your animals. Maybe with any luck HSUS and PETA won't press for criminal animal cruelty charges against you on your way down the tubes.

But suppose someone DID convince me that my releases was a wrong thing to do? Does anyone here think I have some sort of time machine that I can use to go back to change that? Or do they want me to go on some sort of crusade with my trusty Ruger 10/22 to kill every corn snake around here because they might possibly be "contaminated" with the blood lines of my released snakes? Seriously, WHAT exactly do you hope to accomplish? Oh I get it. Perhaps showing my dead body (metaphorically speaking) hanging from a tree limb as a warning to others to not go against this fanatical "wisdom" concerning captive releases? That those people who would dare do such a thing would also get a public flogging for their temerity to have a desire to give their animals a chance at life rather than just killing them? Hmm, public peer pressure to KILL rather than release. Wouldn't HSUS, PETA, and SPCA just love to use THAT to describe the herp industry.....

I'll bet many people right now are hoping for some compromise whereby THEY can keep their animals, yet to hell with everyone else covered by the legislation. Wanna bet some people aren't actually GLAD about the python ban because they are breeding reptiles OTHER than those targeted pythons and this will be a HUGE windfall for them? From what I have seen of this industry I would BET, without any doubt whatsoever, that this is the case. As I mentioned earlier, what I am seeing now is the "starving rats in a lifeboat" reaction from some people. Any one of them can get turned on by the rest over any pretext at all. Case and point, THIS thread, for instance. So yeah, watch YOUR back in the near future, please. That rustling noise you hear behind you could be the rats...

Some people evidently believe I have gotten completely out of this industry. Well take a look around, please. I STILL have several sites that completely rely on this industry for them to exist. Do you really think I want to throw that away? That I would purposely do something that would cause that to happen? That all the effort I put into my sites means nothing to me? Get real, please... Some people are displaying a complete lack of reason and logic.

So tell me, how many of these fanatics dogging on me have already thought about pointing the HSUS, PETA, and the SPCA to this thread just so they can gloat about how right they were? Wanna bet that this hasn't crossed some of their anger warped minds yet? I believe that from what I have seen, they are so wrapped up in their fanaticism that they would like nothing better then to see me take that kind of fall, even at the cost to themselves and others as a result. Think it can't happen? Well take another look through this thread at the obvious hatred and anger people are displaying. And tell me those people are acting with their full logic and reasoning processes intact and functioning. They are much more interested in attacking me then anything else that I can see. They don't care that there are no facts supporting their opinion. They don't care that there is no law that prevented me from releasing those corns. All they care about is that my opinion is differing from theirs and they simply HATE that fact. I think it is pretty safe to assume that if there is anything at all that they can do to me to cause me harm, regardless of the consequences, they are contemplating it right at this moment. And over what? My opinion?

So yeah, there is definitely a potentially self-fulfilling prophesy in the making, and I think everyone is going to be ever so grateful to those people who took an interesting video I made and then decided to blow it up into a federal issue, accusing me of criminal activity (even LYING about their source material) and trying to paint some sort of picture about my being responsible for the destruction of corn snake life as we know it.

If that is the route that some want to take this, then good luck to you all. When the dust settles, I hope you are satisfied with your results.

 

[MikeCurtin]

Rich, I took another look at the thread in question, and have to concede that it did indeed get heated....especially after the ban hammer began to fall here.

As for as you explaining yourself, there are times when you can explain yourself 100% clearly so that all who read will understand. They will understand, and still know exactly why they disagree. Remember, there is a difference between illegal and unethical.

You claim no proof. Well, I'm sure back in the 70's and 80's there were a few people who didn't bother to worry about releasing some other unwanted snakes into the wild because of the lack of proof that there would be any harm done....and here we are. So, forget about proof. Please look at the video you took. Then, ask yourself what kind of impact the genetics that caused that head wobble will likely have on the wild population.

Oh, yeah, you don't have to let me know why it is or is not important whether or not the snake has a head wobble. My mind is made up that you have acted unethically, and I know your mind is probably made up, too. It's just something for you to ponder.

 

[WebSlave]

Rich, I took another look at the thread in question, and have to concede that it did indeed get heated....especially after the ban hammer began to fall here.

As for as you explaining yourself, there are times when you can explain yourself 100% clearly so that all who read will understand. They will understand, and still know exactly why they disagree. Remember, there is a difference between illegal and unethical.

You claim no proof. Well, I'm sure back in the 70's and 80's there were a few people who didn't bother to worry about releasing some other unwanted snakes into the wild because of the lack of proof that there would be any harm done....and here we are. So, forget about proof. Please look at the video you took. Then, ask yourself what kind of impact the genetics that caused that head wobble will likely have on the wild population.

Oh, yeah, you don't have to let me know why it is or is not important whether or not the snake has a head wobble. My mind is made up that you have acted unethically, and I know your mind is probably made up, too. It's just something for you to ponder.

Head wobble? Are you joking? Have you ever even seen a snake out in the wild react when a possible predator was in sight? I've seen that exact response in gray rat snakes I've pulled out of the mouse building, and in black racers and coachwhips I have found patrolling around here.

Do you think perhaps it is unethical for people to try to make up crap to try to damage their reputation?

Seriously LOOK at this video and tell me with a straight face that this is something unusual...



Sheesh, where do you guys come up with this crap, anyway? The bogus illegality accusation didn't fly, so you need to come up with something else instead? Go on back into conference with your buds to see if you can find something else to throw at me... Quite frankly, I believe the entire lot of you are just pathetic in your continued malicious attempts to damage my reputation.

Simply UNBELIEVABLE.......

 

[Herpterra]

Ok so I got to page 9 and just knew that Rich wasnt going to understand PERIOD about the true repreccussions of his very irresponsible and ILLEGAL actions. Sorta in my mind tells me that he should face the same fate as others who released captive burms or Arocks into the wild. FL courts should benefit from your admit of guilt.

You folks on here can downplay all you want about it being "just a corn" and "natural range" but look at it.....look at the irreponsibility someone who obviously made a name for himself in the reptile community has done.

Tiger Woods had a problem with wanting more vagina than allowed in his marriage, and thus has lost his family, endorsments, his fans, and alot of money and has yet made any attempt to admit he was wrong, shame faced, and defensive.

Rich has an issue of releasing Captive born reptiles into the wild thus committing a CRIME and therefore he is "OK"? What kind of crap is that. If it was someone that scammed someone online members here would be quick to tell people to turn them into the law for justice. (and for that it is right to do so)

Well i sorta feel scammed, and Rich is a "Bad Guy" as in this current climate of S.373 and the mass consequinces actions like this have. I will lose money and financial stability. I am not a big name and have made my mistakes but this by far is held as newsworthy and should be passed to those of you who are in bed with people that perform bad and irresponsible snake keeping practices.

Also Rich, this is to you, why do you feel so high and mighty behind your keyboard trying to lead a bad example for the younger generations of herpers and Publicly let them know you do this?

Any public figure , like you, found in an instance of wrongdoing has been called out, as they should. Are you that hard headed to not admit and pay the consequences for your actions. I have to have a permit in TN to breed and sell corns and it is for that reason right there what you did releasing them others have to suffer in the US.

Smile cause I hope you sit in your snuggie on your lazyboy with your laptop in your lap and watch as the many people realize they are supporting a person that could care less about their animals and only about lining your own pockets.

This is a free country and ban me if you must deny me my first amendment right like i see you have done others on here that have spoken against your irresponsibility.

I think it is time for you to lay your petty pride to the side and man up and admit what you did was wrong and be a better leader to the people just starting out in this hobby.

Just my .02