www.myexotix.com

[JohnHarper]

I had a double het female for albino california kingsnake to escape
so I replaced her with a trio of lavender albino california kingsnakes from www.myexotix.com I looked forward to getting them. California kingsnakes shouldnt be small when born they should be at least 9-12 inches. Renegade Reptiles is where my other california kingsnakes and for a size comparison his are at least 16 inches and up. Manny Granados took forever to ship his snakes and I wondered if he ever would. I will try to post a pic for size comparisons of these animals. I will not sale these animals to people cuz I care about the animals and the customers. So I asked Manny how big was the parents of the babies he sent me he stated they are well over the 300 gram mark. So I then asked Manny how long was they in feet. He stopped emailing me after that.you cant go wrong with Renegade Reptiles. I would buy from Rick and Becky Trenni again. The condition of Mannys snake's when they arrived was bad I mean these where california kingsnakes 2003 babies and about the width of pencil. With a better feeding schedule I hope to see these gain weight. I dont know if they will ever be breedable. at $75 per snake it was not a cheap transaction. I am open minded to see if anyone else has done any business with them and how it went? It looks to me like he bred his snakes way too early. and I wouldn't doubt if they was mis sexed or was not even from the same snakes in the pictures on www.myexotix.com.


john campbell

heres a pic of one of Rick Snakes for a comparison I will try to get some pics of Mannys snakes soon. the lavender albino california kingsnakes should look like this one healthy robust and big
other breeders out there take notes lol

 

[Joel R]

They are Good Guys!

"It looks to me like he bred his snakes way too early. and I wouldn't doubt if they was mis sexed or was not even from the same snakes in the pictures on www.myexotix.com."

I am amazed that you said that. That is pure speculation with no merit. Have you sexed them? We can doubt things all day, but to make it a statement and to publicly say it, without knowing for sure is slander!

Some people power feed, & others don't. That can make a huge difference in size. What time of year they hatched can make a huge difference too. You didn't even mention when the others had hatched in comparison to when Manny's did.

I do know Manny & he is a stand up guy. He is not in the business to cheat people, that I can say with total confidence!

I wouldn't hesitate to buy anything from MyExotics.

Let's try to be fair when posting about other people.

Joel Roberts

 

[Sasheena]

I've long admired Myexotix' whitesided black rats, and someday might purchase from them.

If you are saying they are "bad guys" then please explain the following:

What did they say that was a lie or misleading?

What reason did they give for delaying shipping?

Some of the difficulties I have with this post follow:

California kingsnakes shouldnt be small when born they should be at least 9-12 inches.

So you are saying that you received snakes less than 9 inches long? I had 16 kings hatch out this year, one was over 15 inches at hatching, most were 10 to 12 inches.

Manny Granados took forever to ship his snakes and I wondered if he ever would.

Please define forever, and also, where is he located and where are you located? (weather could be a factor... not everyone has temps in the 70's like Arizona)

So I asked Manny how big was the parents of the babies he sent me he stated they are well over the 300 gram mark. So I then asked Manny how long was they in feet. He stopped emailing me after that.

All of this would be better posted in unedited email format... show us the email exchange, including headers. I could be wrong, but I don't think that having a small parent snake equals a small baby snake. Again, I could be wrong.

The condition of Mannys snake's when they arrived was bad I mean these where california kingsnakes 2003 babies and about the width of pencil.

So let me see if I get this straight...the animals were in BAD shape because they were small. How were they shipped? Were they actually sick? Or were they just smaller than you expected? Do you know their hatch date or even hatch MONTH? Did you ask for this information before buying them? Did you ask their size before buying them?

I dont know if they will ever be breedable.

All baby snakes start out small. Sure won't be breedable this year, and if they were a late hatch from 2003 they probably won't be breedable next year either.

It looks to me like he bred his snakes way too early. and I wouldn't doubt if they was mis sexed or was not even from the same snakes in the pictures on www.myexotix.com.

What in the universe makes you say they were mis-sexed? This is pure speculation and frankly idiotic! I sexed my hatchlings within a few days of hatching. When those hemipenes (sp) pop out, it's obviously a boy!!! When I bred my snakes my female snake was only 18 months, she is the one who had the one egg that produced a 15 inch cal king hatchling. I don't think breeding early means small or unsexable, or someday-unbreedable babies!

 

[geckogirl3]

I have never purchased anything from Manny, but I do know him personally, and can tell you he is extremely nice and a stand-up guy. Manny and Yvonne care a great deal about their animals and I have seen examples of their stuff and it seemed very healthy. I agree with Joel saying that some people feed more heavily than others and this can greatly affect the size of a snake. You did not state whether or not the snakes you received from Manny were emaciated looking(which I doubt they were) or if they are just small. And have you told Manny you are unhappy with the snakes? I'd be very curious to hear his side of the story.

Bree Crews

 

[JohnHarper]

just read this

I bought them they are same age as Renegade Reptiles snakes I even asked Manny Granados what month they hatched . I did this for record keeping purposes. I keep records on all of my snakes.
I was upset because of the size. Even my western hognoses could eat Mannys Granados california kingsnakes thats how small they are.and for a baby hognose to be able to eat a king thats bad.I gave up on contacting Manny after that one email he stopped replying to. I will never buy anything from them again. If anyone has ever bought an animal to replace one that got out and you was amazed out how small they was in relation to animals of the same age you will know what I am going through. Manny did ship them good I will give him credit for that. He did take many weeks before he shipped and I had to remind him too. I can understand work and family matters but one shouldn't have to remind someone to ship animals. If its a family emergency then I totally understand or if the weathers bad. If anyone cared about the animals they would give them the 3-4 years to mature before even attempting to breed them. thats just my opinion.
i will try to get pics as soon as I can of Manny Granados. Snakes in relation to the ones of the same age from Renegade Reptiles.
I learned my lesson about asking for a picture when I bought from www.myexotix.com
i did not feel that I needed to ask for one cuz I thought I could trust www.myexotix.com

john campbell

 

[BallPythonGurl]

FYI

FYI- I have seen the snakes in question from Manny and they are much smaller than the ones from Renegade Reptiles of the same age. I'm not slandering anyone, I'm just stating the facts that I know. If I personally had this many problems with anybody's animals I would not do business with them again. Sorry to offend anyone this is just how I feel.

 

[myexotix]

the truth will come out on its own

We were alerted to this thread by several emails and phone calls from people who know us and our animals. We were never contacted by John regarding any dissatisfaction with our animals.

I keep the emails on any transactions where there has been an exchange of questions until I believe the matters to be settled to the customer's satisfaction.

These posts made me look at my 'save done deals' folder, as well as my shipping history on both DHL and Fedex and I was unable to locate any communications with John. This - and memory - leads me to believe he has had these animals for quite a while.

His posts were made today and yet I also get the email below (I will forward with headers to any interested):
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From: "John Campbell" <[email protected]> [ Save address ]
To: [email protected]
Subject: this me john bought the snakes from you last year
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 20:57:09 -0500

John Campbell
[email protected]
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

Manny,
I was wandering just how long was the adult california kingsnakes? I feel unhappy with the ones I got cuz they are so small in relation to snakes of the same age. I know thats its been a while since I contacted you but I felt like you didn't want to talk about it when I asked the size question.

john
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I'm going to let this thread play itself out, but I have to say that I resent his contacting me as above when posting unsupported allegations here.

 

[JohnHarper]

the boi

I have no hard feelings towards My Exotix I just do no want to do business with them any more. Thats all I can say.


john campbell

 

[ChaosCat]

What in the universe makes you say they were mis-sexed? This is pure speculation and frankly idiotic! I sexed my hatchlings within a few days of hatching. When those hemipenes (sp) pop out, it's obviously a boy!!! When I bred my snakes my female snake was only 18 months, she is the one who had the one egg that produced a 15 inch cal king hatchling. I don't think breeding early means small or unsexable, or someday-unbreedable babies! [/B]

18 months is a bit young to be breeding any colubrid, unless it was power-fed to get it to breeding size. I don't breed any snake unless they are a minimum of 2 years old!

As far as I have been told, breeding too early also stunts a snake's growth and possibly minimizes life span, if the snake doesn't become egg-bound-I have one female corn who was given to me, who was bred at less than two years by her previous owner and surprisingly did not get eggbound, and her growth is very stunted compared to my other females her age. I'll probably never breed her, because she is so tiny-3 years old and maybe 2 feet long, even though she feeds weekly on small mice!

Just my $0.02 worth of opinion, nothing more.

 

[Sasheena]

The snake I bred was from a very large bodied locale of california kings (not locale specific, but from certain locale lines) She was nearly 4 feet AND a picky eater when I first got her. But she ate regularly and was definately large enough to be bred when she was 18 months old. She ovulated a second time last summer, but I did not breed her again, even though I do believe she could have gone again, she had a lot of size on her even after laying 8 eggs. Some people would have called her a 2 year old, she was an '01 breeding in '03. Like people, snakes have genetics that determine thier ultimate size, as well as how fast they grow. My cal king was ready, so I bred her. I have some other snakes that are 18 months this year, but while they have good size on them, they are not nearly as large as I would want them to be, so I will not breed them. I don't "Powerfeed" the snakes... I offer them food every other mouse cleaning day, which means one meal once a week.

My point I was trying to make here is that I do not believe that a snake that is bred too young will produce miniscule babies, nor will they produce unsexable babies, nor will they produce babies that will be unable to breed themselves.

 

[Sasheena]

John, if you would, please answer a few specific questions:

When did you buy these snakes? When did you receive them?
How old were the snakes when you bought them?
What length were the snakes when they arrived?
What was the exact deal on the snakes? (You know, what did you think you were purchasing, how were they advertised, and what was different about what was advertised compared to what you received?)
What did Myexotix say that was a lie or misleading?
What reason did they give for delaying shipping?
How were they shipped?
Were they actually sick?
Do you know their hatch date? If so what is it?
Did you ask for this information before buying them?
Did you ask their size before buying them?


John you say:

I have no hard feelings towards My Exotix I just do no want to do business with them any more. Thats all I can say.

If you have no hard feelings towards them, then why post a bad guy thread?

 

[JohnHarper]

this is why

When did you buy these snakes? When did you receive them?
How old were the snakes when you bought them?
What length were the snakes when they arrived?
What was the exact deal on the snakes? (You know, what did you think you were purchasing, how were they advertised, and what was different about what was advertised compared to what you received?)
What did Myexotix say that was a lie or misleading?
What reason did they give for delaying shipping?
How were they shipped?
Were they actually sick?
Do you know their hatch date? If so what is it?
Did you ask for this information before buying them?
Did you ask their size before buying them?


i bought them in the late fall and the begining of winter.
it took me several emails and calls to get in touch with him
the clucth 1 hatched roughly in july and the clucth 2 hatched in august. I saw their ad on kingsnake and I saw the breeders they had and the breeders looked spectacular . I asked for no pictures from by looking at the parent snakes I was impressed. They was packed with the appropraite heat packs they arrived in roughly between 4-6 weeks. I figured that if they was anything like the parent snakes they would be good size. They was roughly around 8 inches then. I did not feel the need to ask the size after seeing the pictures of the parent snakes. I understand Manny is very busy at times but I didnt like the fact it took forever to ship them. The only question I asked if they was eating and they are.
Only 1 of the 3 is acutally showing signs of normal weight gain.
I do not power feed or breed at 18 months I feel its better to wait the 3-4 years out and breed them. I did not know about the BOI when i made this purchase. Some one sent me link one day to this site till then Kingsnake was one of the only animal sites I went too.





I do not wish to professional business with them any more.


john campbell

 

[DISCERN]

Hey John!.....

I do see your frustration John, but I would like to point some things out.

I used to breed cal kings and I saw most babies hatch at about 10 inches. A few shorter here and there. It does happen and perhaps you got a snake that happened to be the shortest or one of the shortest ones. Or they could be second clutch babies. Heck...one time I had an adult cal king lay a second batch of eggs without additonal breeding. I incubated those eggs and they all hatched. Some were really small, one baby had to be 6-7 inches. Funny thing is....that small baby ate like you wouldn't believe!

Anyways......to get back to the point....not all snakes are going to have a same uniform length when they are born. I have seen some lavendars that were quite small as well. As for other kings, I have a greeri that was the biggest out of her clutch and was about 14 in. when she was born! You have those that are quite big and some that are small in clutches. Grayband babies are really freaking small at times! My grayband babies that were tiny when I got them ( about 8 - 10 inches ) were yearlings at the time. They are now growing like weeds. One of my northern pines was 18 inches when he was born, while another one from another breeder was about 12 or 14 inches. It can vary from each baby snake.

It sounds like you may have been dissapointed rather than received bad service. I understand how you feel if that is the case, but Manny/My Exotix doesn't deserve a " bad guy " post here on the BOI. Your snakes were delivered, they were the phase you ordered, and eat as you stated. It sounds like My Exotix did their job.

I know that you may be worried about the snakes cause they are smaller than what you are used to seeing or having. Don't worry bro, keep feeding them and they will grow. I like your attitude about not power feeding them or breeding them at 18 months.

Take care!

Billy Fraser

 

[JohnHarper]

i am aware of that

i am aware that not all snakes have a uniform length.
life gos on i am $75 * 3 out but life gos on.


john campbell

 

[Sasheena]

You are only out the money if you didn't get the snakes. Sounds like you failed to ask te appropriate questions, and for someone who likes to take records, your answers to my questions were extremely vague. You got exactly what you asked for, and so I think that this really is a good guy post for Myexotix and will take it as such. I WILL do business with them, if they ever have snakes I can afford at a time when I have money to burn.

 

[thomas davis]

well

well i had a 34+inch caliking @2yrs.breed succesfully she laid a small clutch(4eggs),but the babies were huge 12+inches 'cept 1 @only 7-8inches all were fine and still are and the lilguy did catch up,still a lil bit smaller but very robust,,it happens,just feed them and they will grow.,"She ovulated a second time last summer, but I did not breed her again",so sasheena did she lay slugs?and also a caliking does not get over 4&half ft.in 18months UNLESS it HAS been "powerfed". it just doesnt happen. normal growth rates of "getula" are 'bout 1&half 2inches per month for the first couple years.my definition of powerfeeding is feeding every 2to3days just to attain breeding size quickly,not normal or healthy IMHO,,,,,,,,thomas

 

[Joel R]

I can not beleive this thread exists

So from what has been shown, Manny never told or led to believe in any way, that they were any bigger than they were. John took upon him self to assume they where "Large" babies.

So other than being smaller than you predicted them to be, how where they in bad shape? You said they were in "Bad shape" ???

With the amount of snakes you have now, It's quite obvious you did not buy these to replace the "lost" beloved pet. You do intend on breeding, am I correct? If so, I hope you remember how you posted about Manny as being a "BAD GUY" for doing nothing but producing snakes that don't meet "YOUR" size requirement (keep in mind, he did not advertise them as large babies, you just assumed). You didn't ask for pics, you didn't even ask how big they where! (please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)
In this business. reputation means a lot and someone posting totally nonlegit. complaints can hurt.
So,, when you start producing, hope that someone doesn't do to you, just as you have to Manny.

Also, you have had them since late fall. You are also accusing him of possibly miss sexing them? Do you still not know what sex they are? You should have checked by now, I would think. Especially if you doubt they were properly sexed.

This thread would better read "SELLER Beware!"


What a shame,, that's all that comes to mind.
Joel Roberts

 

[Joel R]

Very odd.

John,

I find this very odd.

your post about MyExotix in Dec.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
" I got a trio of lavender albino california kingsnakes from them

I recently purchased a trio of lavender albino california kingsnakes from My Exotix. The male is unrelated to the females since Many had two different pairs. All eat well and are healthy animals. I look forward to breeding them in 2007.

john campbell"

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

Why the sudden change in oppinion of them and the snakes?

Joel Roberts

 

[myexotix]

this is all coming out about as I had expected

I appreciate the level-headedness shown by everyone here. I just want to add some constructive comments addressing a variety points in several different posts:

First, John's 'double het' lavender albino reference in his initial post. In one of our first conversations, I tried to explain T-pos albinism as a single, simple recessive trait; apparently to no avail. I'm not trying to ridicule him, just to illustrate the difficulty in communication I experienced.

The 'missexed' allegation has been addressed by others - thank you.

John's point on taking several weeks to ship may be true. I can't remember if it was him, but there was one customer mid-to-late last year to whom I remember apologizing regarding the delay in shipping. It was, if I remember, a combination of his unavailability one time, but my business trips on two occasions and weather once. This is not representative of our business practices, as others will attest.

Slightly troubling has been the discussion of breeding snakes too early. If anything, I get grief from breeder friends when they see some of the females I don't breed. As cal kings go, mine were not exceptionally large (though I don't see the pertinence to this thread). I was clear with John that the parents were good breeder size; over 300g and 4' long (despite his claim to my ignoring the length question - see my first point on communication)

Worst of all: "If I personally had this many problems with anybody's animals I would not do business with them again" - What problems? After a December posting about how happy he was with our animals and how well they were feeding; the first notice we get of a problem is a bad-guy post that leads another person to post that quote. It's sad how one post - ill-considered and totally unsubstantiated can be given enough weight to engender that comment.

Best of all: The number of calls and emails we have gotten to warn us about this warms my heart. It is the true measure of the regard that colleagues and customers have for us. This may seem ridiculous, but I'm actually glad John did this. I also loved the post equating this whole thing effectively to a 'good guy' post.

I hope we can put this whole thing to bed by focusing on one simple fact. Neither John nor I want this to lead to anything else and we will not do business with each other again. I hope this doesn't dissuade anyone from doing business with us, but que sera, sera. If you are reading this post as a result of a 'background check' prior to purchase, I commend your diligence. Please contact us directly and I will provide any number of positive references regarding our animals and practices.

 

[JohnHarper]

to clear the air

this will be my last post on this I agree with Manny we should put this thing to bed. I was happy at first but after months of feeding them they are only now beginning to grow and gain weight. I do not wish to push anyone away from either of us.




john campbell