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Thanks for the help

I doubt Ineed anything else I have posts in turtletimes, turtleforum, faunaclassifieds, and now yours, I would however, appreciate you holding on to them, I will make it aware to the authorities.

Again, thank you everyone for your help.
TOM
 
I think it was a typo.

Generally speaking once a bail amount is set, 10% is required before release. Which means his bail was set at 10,000$.
 
it was a typo

Talked to the deputy, it was supposed to be greater than 1000 dollars not 100k
TOM
 
Well, here's the thing...

An accusation is not proof.

An arrest is not a conviction.

Individuals who know and have a favorable impression of one party in this conflict will be predisposed towards disbelief with regards to accusations about the other. You say that Zane confessed but have no impartial third party to verify this. You claim the animals were yours but offer what proof?

I have no idea one way or the other if he's guilty or not and frankly if he's been legally accused then I know of no better way to determine innocense or guilt than by letting the courts handle it. Not a perfect system, but a lot more reliable than a bunch of people on a message board yelling at one another. The point of my post really is this... Danni REQUESTED additional evidence because her experiences with Zane are counter to the actions he stands accused of. You have a choice about supplying additional evidence or not supplying it but throwing more accusations on the pile and then adding snide little remarks directed at someone who's just trying to figure out who to believe... That's not helping anything and is frankly uncalled for.

You aren't under any obligation to post any more evidence or proof than you already have. What you have is going to convince some people, fail to convince others and leave a third group just waiting for more... But you can either put up (post something concrete, like the details of his arraignment wherein he claimed guilt) or shut up (reposting accusations over and over just makes you look a bit slow when you seem to think that it's evidence).

Some kind of reply by Zane himself might settle the matter instantly if your claim that he's admitting guilt is true. If he decides to argue it though, then nobody has proved anything one way or the other.
 
well...

An accusation is not proof.
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An arrest is not a conviction.
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As I see it, me being a witness to his confession as well as a tape recorded confession to the Marion County Sheriff's department is a hell of a lot more than a "favorable impression" I mean come on.
I picked up the animals from his girlfriend last night, zane went to jail, he has emailed me today apologizing, which I WILL NOT POST. It was a personal email which if he wants it on here he can and it is up to him.
I replied to him, and told him that he should post to this thread. as far as you saying what you said.... Come on.

I dont need to convince anyone. For you to actually take the time out to say that I will only convince some with what I posted is ludicrous.

I dont care if you are a friend or not of Zane's or a friend of mine. Facts are facts. The Marion County sheriff's office has a tape recorded confession of him, I witnessed a confession in front of the officer.

If you wish to do business with him then by all means go ahead and do.
As far as your quote about letting the courts decide guess what, NOT IN THIS CASE.
Again a tape recorded confession.

TOM
 
I've been lurking for a few days now catching up on the threads, seeing what has been going on. After spending days reading, I have to say it's bringing back memories of why I did an almost complete hiatus from the internet for 2 years. School had a lot to do with it, but now I'm remembering why I didn't even try to spend time on some of these various herp sites, from my college access.
Some of these threads start by someone just throwing a babble of accusations, and no proof, and it turns into nothing but a flame war, with no even halfway credible "evidence", and yet tons of people jump in and take sides, almost invariably, one or two on one side and the rest of the herd on the other (for example see the Dan Scalaro thread). Then I see this thread with "decent evidence" (I use quotations because, as one poster noted the accused has not yet been tried) including the accused had the same types of animals that were stolen, submitted (as copies, by victim) e-mails from accused showing conflicting info about the animals, collaborating evidence in the form of e-mail and phone (?) conversations the alleged had with two other breeders, not to mention a swift arrest, and people still seem to question the victim.
As great as the guy is or seemed to be, with this evidence, what are your doubts? Do you think it's mistaken identity? Do you think the thefts never happened? Are you saying he is lying?, about the confession? about what the arrest was for? What his motives were? I don't get it. Just wondering.

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Thanks
John Kellar
 
My point exactly john

My point exactly, you know I tried to post nothing but facts, I tried to post without emotion, and without slander and namecalling.

I do not hold grudges, not even in this case. However, I do think that I got what point I wanted across, so I will definately not fall into the hole that some of these threads fall into.

Zane has emailed me back and told me that he will put a post up here on this thread, so until then, I will leave things be, unless anyone has questions that pertain to the situation.

TOM
 



I feel that I should shed some light on this issue.

What Tom has stated is in fact true.
Tom has said all that is needed to be said about this particular issue, so I do not feel I should explain the whole situation.

There are a few things I do wish to do, and these are apologies.
*Tom,
As you know, I wish I could change the actions I took upon your animals. I am very sorry for any of my actions and for any damages I have caused to you, your business and your trusted buyers. If I could reenact what I did, I would have thought before I acted. Also, you may post my personal apology if you feel the need to.
Sorry.

*Krystal,
Please forgive me for your wait and any hassle that came your way. Tom is a good guy and I am glad what I did not barren him in your eyes. I am sorry for taking your snake, I wish I knew what I was thinking during the event. To be honest, I don't think I was. I wish I made a thorough thought before acting upon anything and IM sure it would have never happened. I really have no words to express what I feel like saying, though I am very truly sorry and I'm happy it turned out well for you.
Good luck with them.

*Guys and Girls who think of me as a friend,
I'm sorry to have betrayed you guys as well. My actions are inexcusable and though this may not have any affect on you, I feel that since you guys stood up for me, I had to tell you the truth. Sorry that I have become a disappointment and sorry if this has had some affect on you. I assure you it will not happen again and I appreciate all of you that have come to me directly appointing the situation and still having faith in me. Really means a lot to me.

*And for everyone else in the hobby,
I know this is what makes our hobby a trial and I'm deeply sorry for participating in it. For what it's worth, I'm gone. I will no longer do business outside of my friends and I hope better for this hobby.
Sorry guys.

**As for Dawn Michelson. She did not have any participation in any of this. She returned the animals as soon as she found out about them. She has done nothing but the right things among all of this.

For all that I can say I know it will not change the fact I did what I did. I do not expect everyone to believe me, and I do not expect everyone to forgive me. I had to say my piece and it regards a lot of regret for what I have done and if anyone's willing to forgive me for the betrayal and stress I have caused on a personal or on the hobby as a whole really means a lot to me.
Sorry everyone: Tom, Krystal, Dawn, Danni, Mike, Seamus, Chris and the rest.
Zane Neher.


 
Zane

Zane

No need to figure out what you were thinking, you weren't. Clearly you were desperate and in need of something, I don't know what and it doesn't matter. All that matters now is that you have taken responsibility for your actions which is a major step in your recovery from whatever was and/or is ailing you.

Lastly, we should all now put this thread to sleep, enough said about the incident.

To Seamus, your credibility is questionable based solely on your warning level. Apparently you are a very negative person, whomever you are.

Zane, my advice to you is to look inside yourself to determine why you were so desperate to do what you did and get help to work out your problems so that you can continue with recovery. And thanks for taking decent care of my animal while you had him.

The other victim

Krystal
 
To Seamus, your credibility is questionable based solely on your warning level. Apparently you are a very negative person, whomever you are.
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Which has what to do with my being honest?

As of the time I posted, no verifiable evidence had been posted which could not be argued as false should someone have decided to do so. An accusation isn't proof, Scott Axel is a buddy of Pruett and Bowels and shouldn't be trusted any further than he can be thrown and copied and pasted emails can be edited.

HAD Zane chosen to argue, it would have left the issue very much in doubt. I posted because Danni had asked, very politely, for additional evidence if it was avaliable and this generated some hostility in her direction which was entirely inappropriate.

Note carefully that I never claimed he was innocent OR guilty and specifically said that I was on the fence; having not seen proof positive at the time of my last post. Since then Zane has posted confirmation which lays any debate to rest.
 
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