• Posted 12/19/2024.
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    I am still waiting on my developer to finish up on the Classifieds Control Panel so I can use it to encourage members into becoming paying members. Google Adsense has become a real burden on the viewing of this site, but honestly it is the ONLY source of income now that keeps it afloat. I tried offering disabling the ads being viewed by paying members, but apparently that is not enough incentive. Quite frankly, Google Adsense has dropped down to where it barely brings in enough daily to match even a single paid member per day. But it still gets the bills paid. But at what cost?

    So even without the classifieds control panel being complete, I believe I am going to have to disable those Google ads completely and likely disable some options here that have been free since going to the new platform. Like classified ad bumping, member name changes, and anything else I can use to encourage this site to be supported by the members instead of the Google Adsense ads.

    But there is risk involved. I will not pay out of pocket for very long during this last ditch experimental effort. If I find that the membership does not want to support this site with memberships, then I cannot support your being able to post your classified ads here for free. No, I am not intending to start charging for your posting ads here. I will just shut the site down and that will be it. I will be done with FaunaClassifieds. I certainly don't need this, and can live the rest of my life just fine without it. If I see that no one else really wants it to survive neither, then so be it. It goes away and you all can just go elsewhere to advertise your animals and merchandise.

    Not sure when this will take place, and I don't intend to give any further warning concerning the disabling of the Google Adsense. Just as there probably won't be any warning if I decide to close down this site. You will just come here and there will be some sort of message that the site is gone, and you have a nice day.

    I have been trying to make a go of this site for a very long time. And quite frankly, I am just tired of trying. I had hoped that enough people would be willing to help me help you all have a free outlet to offer your stuff for sale. But every year I see less and less people coming to this site, much less supporting it financially. That is fine. I tried. I retired the SerpenCo business about 14 years ago, so retiring out of this business completely is not that big if a step for me, nor will it be especially painful to do. When I was in Thailand, I did not check in here for three weeks. I didn't miss it even a little bit. So if you all want it to remain, it will be in your hands. I really don't care either way.

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    Some people have indicated that finding the method to contribute is rather difficult. And I have to admit, that it is not all that obvious. So to help, here is a thread to help as a quide. How to become a contributing member of FaunaClassifieds.

    And for the record, I will be shutting down the Google Adsense ads on January 1, 2025.
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Info Craig Hughes (twohy4you)

The two of you didn't agree to anything - so you think you should get what you want?

Leaving my personal thoughts aside (about the morph, not the people) - I think it's pretty crappy that when the dollars are on the table, friendship doesn't mean ****.
 
twohy4you said:
why should i agree to a new deal when the breeding season was still new. there was no reason to take the ivory out that early in the season.
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So you're unhappy you're getting more money(or product) in the end? You would rather of had 2 YB's over a Huffman? A MALE Huffman?

Just out of curiosity. How long would it take for that Huffman to breed your normal female? Or your other females? even with just the single Huffman, you're further ahead by a LONG shot then with a pair of YB's had the Ivory bred.
 
two was fair. her breeder, 5 eggs. she gets 3 i get two. i'm sure if it was normal odds i would be getting one huffman and one normal.
 
twohy4you said:
what i was saying was she was claiming there value of 1750.00 and that fact was she has had them listed here on fauna for several days for 1500.00 and they have not sold. that was it. didn't mean anything else buy it.
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Just would like to point out that those are females.
 
Utta said:
So you're unhappy you're getting more money(or product) in the end? You would rather of had 2 YB's over a Huffman? A MALE Huffman?

Just out of curiosity. How long would it take for that Huffman to breed your normal female? Or your other females? even with just the single Huffman, you're further ahead by a LONG shot then with a pair of YB's had the Ivory bred.
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Thats what Im thinking. I would be thanking her and running away with a male Huffman like a mad man! lol
 
Seems to me there was an agreement regarding the original pairing. What gave anyone the thought that the terms should be different if a different male was used? I don't think Craig seems unreasonable at all.
 
bsharrah said:
Seems to me there was an agreement regarding the original pairing. What gave anyone the thought that the terms should be different if a different male was used? I don't think Craig seems unreasonable at all.
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Ones a super co-dom, the other is a co-dom.
 
I think since there was no new agreement then the original agreement should be honored. If you were friends before, split it 3/2 and continue to be friends.
 
Utta said:
So you're unhappy you're getting more money(or product) in the end? You would rather of had 2 YB's over a Huffman? A MALE Huffman?

Just out of curiosity. How long would it take for that Huffman to breed your normal female? Or your other females? even with just the single Huffman, you're further ahead by a LONG shot then with a pair of YB's had the Ivory bred.
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You're missing the point, Utta. He never agreed to any deal, so that male should never have been paired with his female. Period.

Price of the morph is irrelevant.
 
check the tracking on my female, and the breeding on iherp.it says this was strictly zara x nostromo. she had all intentions of breeding the huffman to her.

we both should of done an agreement. but at the same time, she had two of my females and was having one in with her huffman in from 1/17 on and the other from the time she got her. there is no tracking that i can find on my female zara even being with the ivory!
 
Shadera said:
You're missing the point, Utta. He never agreed to any deal, so that male should never have been paired with his female. Period.

Price of the morph is irrelevant.
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Agreed.

Abby never made a point to change the original agreement(sux to be her) and there was no reason for Craig to think the original agreement didn't still stand(reasonable assumption).

IMO, Abby gets first pick, Craig second, Abby third......until all are spoken for. Anything less than a reasonable split will not put Abby in a positive light. Abby just needs to chalk it up to lesson learned.
 
bsharrah said:
IMO, Abby gets first pick, Craig second, Abby third......until all are spoken for. Anything less than a reasonable split will not put Abby in a positive light. Abby just needs to chalk it up to lesson learned.
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Exactly....it's sad that sometimes people let visions of dollar signs cloud their view of what's right.
 
we will see what happens. if i don't get my two huffmans i guess her name will have this horrible thread on it also. sucks its on mine as of now.
 
Abby - I'm sure Craig (or is it Criag?) would have been satisfied with a single Huffman and whatever normals were produced if the outcome was what you initially expected/projected. However, beating the odds doesn't mean you get to shaft the guy; and trying to claim 4 out of 5 Huffmans as yours simply makes you look greedy.
Since you made such an issue that it was your male that provided the genes, and you could easily have purchased a cheap female to breed....I'm going to suggest that perhaps you SHOULD have gone that route. Your male provided the genes; but, without Craig's female, that clutch wouldn't have happened. He's due more than a single baby - if you are set on keeping 4 of them, the simplest solution is for you to make him a cash offer in lieu of another baby. (This time, don't ASSume that the lack of a timely answer means acceptance...lack of response can also mean disagreement)
 
I think it's pretty crappy that when the dollars are on the table, friendship doesn't mean ****.
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Harald, I am going to have to completely agree with you. Funny how things pan out when $ is involved. smh

I said a friend and I had spoken and we thought 1 Huffman and some normals would be fair to give to him for his contribution of the female normal. He responded to the message, but avoided the question - I took this as him being okay with that idea (as would any one, I would think?) Here is that info.
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Abby, you asked for opinions and input from the public, ^ the above bold is your answer. I'm POSITIVE you meant well and NEVER thought it would have come to this, but it happened.

You invested.

-An expensive male
-Incubation
-Time
-Space

Craig invested his Normal female worth less than 100$.

All of this really doesn't matter without a clear understanding on the clutch split. I agree with the thought that the male SHOULD NOT have been paired with the Huffman without a CLEAR understanding. A lot of time takes place between the breeding and eggs being hatched, why not give him a call? or another email setting the deal in stone. I dont mean to be mean but in hindsight you know better ;/.

So there were a total of 5 Huffmans? from the sounds of it Craig is looking for 2 of the 5 correct? 4 of which are female?

IMHO

Take 3 of YOUR choice, and give him the remaining 2...

OR

take 2 give 2 and split profit on 1 ..

However this turns out, take 1 thing from this... a lesson learned on friends these day's...

^^ the above is my business prospective, my honest opinion is SERIOUSLY? Take the 1 Huffman and consider Abby a saint for giving you the opportunity to produce an animal like that. And your threats about "bringing this to fauna" is the reason it is here don't sit there and be like " Oh I wasnt the one who posted this here" ... seriously....
 
Shadera said:
You're missing the point, Utta. He never agreed to any deal, so that male should never have been paired with his female. Period.

Price of the morph is irrelevant.
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Shadera is absolutely correct here.

If it were my snake, normal or not I would be angry as all get out if the arrangement was changed, including the amount of babies I would be receiving.

We just finished a breeding loan with a friend. He had the female and we had the male, it was established ahead of time that we only wanted 1 snake from the breeding. We got lucky and it is a female.

The other 2 that hatched are possibly a new morph, we love our friends more than any snake and are thrilled to death that he may have found something new and different.

Give the man his 2 Huffmans, and maybe you can salvage the friendship
 
Michael, with regard to your last statement, Craig DID bring it to Fauna...he just didn't bring it to the BOI. He posted it as a question of what would be fair/appropriate, without details of the morphs OR Abby's name. I probably would have interpreted his statement as a threat of a BOI thread, as well...but, at this point, given the leanings on the other thread, I could accept the thought that his goal was to counter Abby's claims of people saying she's right.
 
hhmoore said:
Michael, with regard to your last statement, Craig DID bring it to Fauna...he just didn't bring it to the BOI. He posted it as a question of what would be fair/appropriate, without details of the morphs OR Abby's name. I probably would have interpreted his statement as a threat of a BOI thread, as well...but, at this point, given the leanings on the other thread, I could accept the thought that his goal was to counter Abby's claims of people saying she's right.
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Ah, thanks for clearing that up.

1 Huffman and some normals would be fair
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I completely forgot you posted this. Abby, you beat the odds on your clutch, you had not planned on doing so (obviously) but what if you had had 5 normals? You got 5 Huffman's and from what you say Craig and you are good friends. :shrug01:. You have to sort of understand his frustration...
 
i didn't post it here. did i say bringing this to fauna? ya but i didn't want to. what the heck else am i suppose to do? jumping jacks because she hit the lottery off of my snake. i don't think so. i am ticked off to be honest. please check out the tracking and breeding for my snakes that she had. there are pictures of an ivory and nothing but huffman breeding. therefore i feel i am entitled to my 2 pythons. oh here is a thought. i wanted a yellow belly male. she has one for sale. she new the whole time i have been wanting to male cherry bombs to have as a pet for my daughter.
LETS MAKE THIS EASY, she gives me the one male huffman and the male yellow belly she is trying to sell for 200. and we call it even since yellow bellies are what i wanted in the first place. that to me would be huge for her. and satisfy me (to were i would drop it) lets see her reply? anyone argue that this would solve a huge freaking pain in my butt on a saturday night.
 
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