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    I am still waiting on my developer to finish up on the Classifieds Control Panel so I can use it to encourage members into becoming paying members. Google Adsense has become a real burden on the viewing of this site, but honestly it is the ONLY source of income now that keeps it afloat. I tried offering disabling the ads being viewed by paying members, but apparently that is not enough incentive. Quite frankly, Google Adsense has dropped down to where it barely brings in enough daily to match even a single paid member per day. But it still gets the bills paid. But at what cost?

    So even without the classifieds control panel being complete, I believe I am going to have to disable those Google ads completely and likely disable some options here that have been free since going to the new platform. Like classified ad bumping, member name changes, and anything else I can use to encourage this site to be supported by the members instead of the Google Adsense ads.

    But there is risk involved. I will not pay out of pocket for very long during this last ditch experimental effort. If I find that the membership does not want to support this site with memberships, then I cannot support your being able to post your classified ads here for free. No, I am not intending to start charging for your posting ads here. I will just shut the site down and that will be it. I will be done with FaunaClassifieds. I certainly don't need this, and can live the rest of my life just fine without it. If I see that no one else really wants it to survive neither, then so be it. It goes away and you all can just go elsewhere to advertise your animals and merchandise.

    Not sure when this will take place, and I don't intend to give any further warning concerning the disabling of the Google Adsense. Just as there probably won't be any warning if I decide to close down this site. You will just come here and there will be some sort of message that the site is gone, and you have a nice day.

    I have been trying to make a go of this site for a very long time. And quite frankly, I am just tired of trying. I had hoped that enough people would be willing to help me help you all have a free outlet to offer your stuff for sale. But every year I see less and less people coming to this site, much less supporting it financially. That is fine. I tried. I retired the SerpenCo business about 14 years ago, so retiring out of this business completely is not that big if a step for me, nor will it be especially painful to do. When I was in Thailand, I did not check in here for three weeks. I didn't miss it even a little bit. So if you all want it to remain, it will be in your hands. I really don't care either way.

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    Some people have indicated that finding the method to contribute is rather difficult. And I have to admit, that it is not all that obvious. So to help, here is a thread to help as a quide. How to become a contributing member of FaunaClassifieds.

    And for the record, I will be shutting down the Google Adsense ads on January 1, 2025.
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Info Craig Hughes (twohy4you)

People who are thinking Criag is correct here are funny.
I would guess Abby is talking values because come one....that's what MOST people are concerned with! I get it, maybe Criag is the exception here and just REALLY wants a YB but regardless, he should have taken the other Huffman, put it for sale, and bought a breedable YB if he wanted!

I also don't understand how value doesn't change anything.....
Say I do work on a "friends" house and he is going to pay me with 2,3, hell even 4 mopeds (motorized bike things lol), then when all the work is done he says he can only give me one Mercedes.....why be pissed. This all literally seems that obvious to me.

I also agree that this appeared to be more of a favor. Abby surly could have bought a breedable normal girl! I would be too happy if I lent out a normal to be bred with a Pastel, but it ended up being put with a Super Pastel :)....or a Bee:)

This is all ridiculous! Good luck to the both of you though:)
 
radera5 said:
People who are thinking Criag is correct here are funny.
I would guess Abby is talking values because come one....that's what MOST people are concerned with! I get it, maybe Criag is the exception here and just REALLY wants a YB but regardless, he should have taken the other Huffman, put it for sale, and bought a breedable YB if he wanted!

I also don't understand how value doesn't change anything.....
Say I do work on a "friends" house and he is going to pay me with 2,3, hell even 4 mopeds (motorized bike things lol), then when all the work is done he says he can only give me one Mercedes.....why be pissed. This all literally seems that obvious to me.

I also agree that this appeared to be more of a favor. Abby surly could have bought a breedable normal girl! I would be too happy if I lent out a normal to be bred with a Pastel, but it ended up being put with a Super Pastel :)....or a Bee:)

This is all ridiculous! Good luck to the both of you though:)
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THANK YOU! Finally, someone gets it.

What if this was a deal where the male was worth 20,000$ and the female was a normal? I'm sure all of you saying I'm wrong here wouldn't be so quick to give 2 of those snakes over for a measly loan of a normal female. Yes, it was a favor. I could have bought as many normals as I wanted but knew he had no males so bred his for him. Give me a break already.

I've already said he can have two of them to cut the drama, so this is done in my book :thumbsup:
 
Not agreeing with you is not the same as not getting it, Abby. I'm quite certain that the majority of us (if not ALL of us) understand your rationale....
 
Abby said:
THANK YOU! Finally, someone gets it.

What if this was a deal where the male was worth 20,000$ and the female was a normal? I'm sure all of you saying I'm wrong here wouldn't be so quick to give 2 of those snakes over for a measly loan of a normal female. Yes, it was a favor. I could have bought as many normals as I wanted but knew he had no males so bred his for him. Give me a break already.

I've already said he can have two of them to cut the drama, so this is done in my book :thumbsup:
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Then I would have made darn sure that my friend understood that the terms of the original agreement had changed, and made sure we were both on the same page before I started pairing. If I thought that his/her reply was vague, then I would again get in writing what the new agreement would be.

In the end, it boils down to what's more important to you. The split or the friendship. I think you made a good choice to let him have two of the five. I hope for both of you that your friendship remains intact once all is said and done.
 
hhmoore said:
Not agreeing with you is not the same as not getting it, Abby. I'm quite certain that the majority of us (if not ALL of us) understand your rationale....
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I'm not going to argue with ya Harald, I respect you immensely but do not agree ;)
 
hhmoore said:
The male is what made them be Huffmans. The female is what made them Huffmans be. :D

You're still making this about dollar signs, Abby. It doesn't seem that Craig had much interest in Huffmans, nor is he concerned/impressed about your perception of the value of them (and before you object to my characterization of things - take a look at which one of you has been referencing the price/value....heck, you even mentioned it with relation to the yellowbellies; saying that at $100 each, you didn't care if he got an extra one.) I think his offer of accepting your yellowbelly in place of another Huffman demonstrates that pretty clearly.
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I'm sorry Harold, it just seemed like you didn't get it in this post. You were saying she kept making it into dollar signs, I was explaining why one would do that...even if he seems to not be interested in the Huffman's, dollar signs still play a HUGE part in something like this.
 
radera5 said:
I'm sorry Harold, it just seemed like you didn't get it in this post. You were saying she kept making it into dollar signs, I was explaining why one would do that...even if he seems to not be interested in the Huffman's, dollar signs still play a HUGE part in something like this.
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and to elaborate, it truly was a combination of FAIRNESS and the value. My effort/contribution greatly exceeded his. If it was just one or the other it wouldn't have come to this - guaranteed :thumbsup:
 
Abby said:
THANK YOU! Finally, someone gets it.

What if this was a deal where the male was worth 20,000$ and the female was a normal? I'm sure all of you saying I'm wrong here wouldn't be so quick to give 2 of those snakes over for a measly loan of a normal female. Yes, it was a favor. I could have bought as many normals as I wanted but knew he had no males so bred his for him. Give me a break already.

I've already said he can have two of them to cut the drama, so this is done in my book :thumbsup:
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Is he going to have any input at all in which ones he gets or will it just be the two that are left after you pick your three favorites? I do think he is getting a great deal either way.
 
You didn't change the split when you announced you had changed the male. When you put the Huffman in with the female was your intent to have him only get 1 baby, no matter what was produced? If you intended that, why not mention it?

When you said "hey, I used a diff male" and didn't say "We should change the original agreement" then the prior agreement would be in effect, other than the change in sire. It doesn't matter if it was a Huffman or a pastel.

Yes, he's getting a lot more value than if it were a YB.

Let me ask you one thing... since you keep saying it's all about your male. Think about this. How many eggs can your male Huffman produce without any female? Zero. So his female was necasary to make this particular clutch. His female + your male = eggs.

If it were me, and it were a friend of mine, I would be estactic that I got to share such bounty with my friend. I would have been thinking "Geez, we're going to be patting each other on the back for ever over this clutch!" You guys are supposed to be friends, so is the value of a single snake worth the friendship? You can make more Huffmans. Obviously you've got a male that throws good babies.

Right now, you've said you'd give him 2 snakes. He's said he would be happy with the 1 Huffman and a much lower valued YB. Either way, I'm certain that the two of you will end up working this out between you and I hope that you can repair the friendship as well. A single misunderstanding/miscomminication shouldn't end up ruining two friends.
 
Wolfy-hound said:
How many eggs can your male Huffman produce without any female? Zero.
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and how many Huffmans can she produce without my male? Zero. ;) It works both ways.

Like I said though, it's solved. He'll get his when they eat.
 
Shadera said:
You're missing the point, Utta. He never agreed to any deal, so that male should never have been paired with his female. Period.

Price of the morph is irrelevant.
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I have to agree here. Regardless of the value or potential value of morph A versus morph B - the original agreement was for a 50/50 split of a YB clutch. Perhaps he doesn't have the same interest in working with or trying to market a relatively unknown morph? I don't see how the agreement can change so drastically without both parties' explicit acknowledgment of those changes. :shrug01:

I do hope that whatever new agreement the two of you come to, it's not going to tarnish your friendship. :( Friendships are worth far more than any ball morph.
 
please guys, check the tracking it clearly states that this is a strictly huffman breeding. i said ivory from the get go. i didn't sell the ivory or trade the ivory. you want me to put the rest of the truth up. here is a little tiny piece of it. next post.
 
twohy4you said:
please guys, check the tracking it clearly states that this is a strictly huffman breeding. i said ivory from the get go. i didn't sell the ivory or trade the ivory. you want me to put the rest of the truth up. here is a little tiny piece of it. next post.
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So I am confused? It sounds to me like you are saying it was Huffman the whole time...and you knew this?? Right?
 
Quiet Tempest said:
Friendships are worth far more than any ball morph.
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Apparently not. To some, the perceived value of snake is worth more.

twohy4you said:
please guys, check the tracking it clearly states that this is a strictly huffman breeding. i said ivory from the get go. i didn't sell the ivory or trade the ivory. you want me to put the rest of the truth up. here is a little tiny piece of it. next post.
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Abby already stated she deleted the tracking for the original pairing. Sorry it came to all this Craig. All I can say is take what she is offering and move on. In the future, pick your friends a bit more carefully. Believe it or not, there are people who value friendship over a snake(s). God help us all if there weren't.

.....and I wouldn't worry at all about your name being on this thread. As Harald stated, most understand what this was about. True colors came out here and you are walking away just fine.
 
radera5 said:
So I am confused? It sounds to me like you are saying it was Huffman the whole time...and you knew this?? Right?
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No. He is saying Abby intended to pair her Huffman from the start; however, she previously stated this was not the case and the tracking for the initial pairing was removed since it didn't take.
 
bsharrah said:
No. He is saying Abby intended to pair her Huffman from the start; however, she previously stated this was not the case and the tracking for the initial pairing was removed since it didn't take.
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Sorry. Should have added Craig is suggesting Abby intended to pair the Huffman from the start without his knowledge.
 
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