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What would you do in this situation?

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About three weeks ago while clearing up some cage space, I sold a short-tailed python to someone through the Classifieds. This was an animal that had been in my care for several months, always ate well, had a normal temperament for the species, and was free of parasites or disease. I'd had literally had no problems with this snake from the moment I got it til the moment it left my door.

The buyer receives the snake on time and as promised, is extremely happy with his purchase, leaves me a Good Guy thread a week and a half or so later, etc. He reports to me that the animal appears healthy, has eaten for him without any issue, and he's very satisfied with the purchase.

A little over two weeks later, out of the blue, he's e-mailing me to state that the snake has died, and wants a full cash refund. This is after only positive feedback about an animal that, as far as I've known it, was hearty and healthy and eating well. As a matter of fact, it'd eaten just a few days prior. The buyer sounds upset, states that he's been breeding and caring for snakes for '17 years' and has never had this happen, etc. I ask him for photos of the dead snake.

Now, things get a little weird, and this is where I'm a little hesitant. It took him a bit to get the photos to me, but sure enough, there's my python, dead as a doornail in a plastic baggie. The photos are hosted on the buyer's MySpace page, which reveals to me that he's... well, 22 years old. A little young to be someone who's bred/cared for snakes for 17 years, but whatever, I've known folks who've been in reptiles a majority of their life, so why not.

He's very adamant about a cash refund, but I admit I'm a little hesitant to jump right on it. Had the snake been DOA, or had encountered some issues in shipping, or had been refusing meals, or had arrived with a disease/parasite, I would be offering my buyer a refund in a heartbeat, no questions asked. But in this case, he'd confirmed to me several times that the snake had been just fine, eating and was completely without issue for the first couple of weeks he had it. And then it just croaked overnight, no warning.

The situation feels fishy to me, and I'm just torn on which way to go with this. They say that they don't want another python, even after I offered to purchase one from a seller of their choice and have it sent to them as a replacement for the original. I'm kinda wondering if something happened to it accidentally, or maybe they weren't familiar with the Borneo attitude, etc, and decided it wasn't something they wanted. I'd like to be good to my buyer, but I also would like to not be out money unnecessarily.

Anyway, my question to you is, how would you solve this? What would you ask of the buyer, and what would you provide him in exchange? Any advice or feedback is appreciated, I've never had to deal with a situation like this before, and would really like some guidance.
 
I'm guessing that your impression of typical STP temperament may be different from mine - what was the temperament of the snake you sold, and how big was it?
Was this a CB animal, or an import?
 
I think that you have every reason to suspect something "fishy" is going on. I do not feel like you owe him anything. You sold a healthy animal, that was eating and everything for the guy. No way would I send him a cash refund. On top of the fact that you offered to have the animal replaced, by a seller of their choice. Uh uh, something is going on and in a way it sounds like some sort of a scam to me.
This could also be because I am a small town girl and people dont do that kind of crap where Im from :) Let us know how it works out and I would like to see other peoples opinions on this too.
 
Do you have stated terms regarding guarantee, or refunds?
Did the buyer contact you upon receipt?
 
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A healthy looking, feeding STP doesn't typically drop dead in 4 days, so I'm guessing that something is missing from the story.
 
I'm guessing that your impression of typical STP temperament may be different from mine - what was the temperament of the snake you sold, and how big was it?
Was this a CB animal, or an import?

CB, the breeder of which seemed to be very experienced with the species, and had several healthy specimens available when I'd purchased the snake as a hatchling.

My experience with them, they've always been a little short-tempered. The snake was fine for handling, but had pissy days, especially around feeding time. He wasn't all-out aggressive or anything, just nippier than the species I generally work with (corns, for the most part :p ). He was maybe a little over a foot and a half long, still plenty young.

I've gotten another e-mail from the buyer this morning, who now seems to be poking around the idea that the snake might've caught a cold because I shipped in a deli cup instead of a snake bag... uh... yeah...
 
Do you have stated terms regarding guarantee, or refunds?
Did the buyer contact you upon receipt?

He'd contacted me when he got him, saying it's a 'beautiful animal' and he was very happy with him. A week and a half or so later he said that he'd eaten, and went ahead and left me a Good Guy thread. He mentioned in an earlier e-mail that the snake had eaten again for him just this week.

As far as guarantees, I'm not a big seller, I'd never really thought to write something out regarding one because, honestly, I've never had something like this happen before. I'm hoping that I haven't shot myself in the foot by not having a guarantee in writing, but I sure as heck am setting one up today :\
 
This doesn't seem like a true "business" Harald, so I doubt he has a website or TOS in which case he could either be SOL or he can refuse to refund on the basis of length of time passed and no contact to indicate sickness.

*It may be that the snake bit the buyer, so he beat it to death... (just saying it could have happened).
 
This doesn't seem like a true "business" Harald, so I doubt he has a website or TOS in which case he could either be SOL or he can refuse to refund on the basis of length of time passed and no contact to indicate sickness.

*It may be that the snake bit the buyer, so he beat it to death... (just saying it could have happened).

The buyer has a very young son, something I didn't know about until after he sent me his Myspace page so I could see the dead snake pics. The thought /has/ occurred to me, but I'd really hope someone in this hobby would be above something like that... :(
 
The buyer has a very young son, something I didn't know about until after he sent me his Myspace page so I could see the dead snake pics. The thought /has/ occurred to me, but I'd really hope someone in this hobby would be above something like that... :(

I am putting together the logics in my mind:

22 years (probably lied about how long in reptiles)
young son (possibilities)
positive messages before death
No indication of illnesses or contact to inform of illness
length of time passed before contact with seller

Personally, I would not sell him another snake, nor would I refund his money. He would be on my do not sell to list.
 
Thank you, I really appreciate the input, and that's certainly the direction I'm leaning right now.

If it comes down to it, and he winds up posting a negative thread or something, I'm more than happy to provide the e-mails exchanged and everything. It's just become a bit of a headache.
 
Thank you, I really appreciate the input, and that's certainly the direction I'm leaning right now.

If it comes down to it, and he winds up posting a negative thread or something, I'm more than happy to provide the e-mails exchanged and everything. It's just become a bit of a headache.

A short webpage with a simple TOS would prevent this. :thumbsup: I would recommend that even hobbyist/sellers create one.

Good luck. As long as you can logically back up your stance, you would be fine.:thumbsup:
 
I agree. something is missing from the buyers story. I only sell locally at shows and have never shipped, but some of the species I have are also short tempered and prospective buyers who have claimed to be very experienced have dropped my snakes on the floor after being struck. None were ever injured but I can visualize a heavy bodied snake like yours falling with a thud and being fatally injured, especially if it got accidentally stepped on by a child standing nearby. If your side of the story is accurate, I would say you dont owe him anything.
 
Nope, I don't think you owe a refund. It was received in good condition, ate twice per the buyer. 2 weeks later it drops dead with no symptoms of sickness. Sounds more like a husbandry issue with the buyer to me.

It is possible it was sick before leaving your place, but with him saying it was great and eating with no complaints of it being sick until it dropped dead puts the ball in his court to prove it was sick upon receiving.
 
Nope, I don't think you owe a refund. It was received in good condition, ate twice per the buyer. 2 weeks later it drops dead with no symptoms of sickness. Sounds more like a husbandry issue with the buyer to me.

It is possible it was sick before leaving your place, but with him saying it was great and eating with no complaints of it being sick until it dropped dead puts the ball in his court to prove it was sick upon receiving.

That thought crossed my mind, but if it was a husbandry issue, I would think the snake would be ill for a while in which case the buyer would have reached out to the seller. In the absence of this contact, I concluded (in my mind) it was a quicker death..hence me thinking that the buyer contributed to the death in some way. :eek:
 
There are any number of things that it could have been, but with confirmation of receipt in good condition and a followup positive report, you don't owe him a refund (unless he can provide some proof that the death was your fault - meaning due to a preexisting condition)
 
There are any number of things that it could have been, but with confirmation of receipt in good condition and a followup positive report, you don't owe him a refund (unless he can provide some proof that the death was your fault - meaning due to a preexisting condition)

THAT'S what I thought I was saying!:rofl:
 
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