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Bad Guy dont ever go through dvm exotics

yankees789 said:
yes u said to ask.i need a nice trans maybe het for hypo or just the trans.can u see what u can do.i need a female trans.do care how big i just was a female.preferible price 50 to 75 just because shippings 50.00.could u send some pictures im buying a dragon today.so if u want 1 gone with breeder that buys atleast 7 to 10 beardies.i usually got through dachiu an chris allen an my main man is johnathan at breeding cicle.id rather go through u for dragons.send some pics. to [email protected]

if u cant send pictures of her im gettin n1 off bloodbank.something seems wrong itthe 3 TIME IVE ASKED FOR MORE PICTURES.ID REALLY APPR. IT IFI COUL SEE THE GECKO LAST CHANE AN THEM IMHITTING DACHIU.THAT GOT GOOD CUSTERMER SKILLS/picture plzzzzzzzzzzz
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Who's complaining about who's messages being illegible? Pot, kettle, black?
 
I think you got lost. In this case the pot and kettle are the same person maia. Both messages are from the OP. Gotta love "buyers" that put themselves on your do not sell to list! lol.
 
i don't know about this guy. he seems really desperate for young dragons.

07-09-2010 07:29 PMyankees789
ill take them at my own risk soon.i go0t the eye deropper to feed an also emerency kist too

i saw this here at someone's profile page. there was a few more but anyone should realize that shipping is stressful on any animal but to be willing to endanger it to get what you want seems like it should be out of the question. i don't know the whole story. that is just what i saw. i won't name names because who can say who i am going to guy from in the future and this person has a good rating as a seller. in fact the only way i came across that is because i was visiting his page to inquire about a dragon. i thought i would just throw that out there after reading this since it seemed to fit as to why he threw a fit about someone not holding a particular dragon for him.

even then he didn't seem to be able to type correctly. i might not use caps all the time but i try to use proper grammer and spelling.
 
I need to clarify some things about this Bad Guy post by yankee789 aka Chris Kalesnick.

First to clarify Maia Im not the one that wrote/ typed in that way, the original person posting the claim did. I do know many veterinarians are not too good on computers but I am and even wrote publications.

As far as the bad guy post and not knowing how to run a bussiness.... Breeding is not a bussiness for me. I am a veterinarian. I breed for fun. I enjoy these animals and the excitement of producing them. My job as a veterinarian is the main part of my life and consumes a big part of my life. I work many hours every day and am on call for emergencies so even when I may leave the hospital I may have to go back if an emergency is coming especially if that is an exotic.

That said the problems with this transaction first occured when I received many messages from the buyer through out the morning, a good part of them complaing I wasnt answering them. Ok hard to do when I am seeing patients at work. So I still went on to reply to him. Clarified that I am a vet and cleared that up. We then went on to discuss the animal he wanted to purchase, I was on a break from the clinic so I had time to do so while trying to feed and clean all my animals before I went back to work until 10 pm last night. Before money was sent I explained to him it would be hard to ship the gecko out on thursday as I am on a split shift meaning I could possibly leave by 1pm and be able to ship but there is a good chance that I may not because of my profession. I stated tuesday is my weekday off and my best day to ship. He kept stating he would send the money but try hard to ship thursday, I kept giving him the same reply. He sent the money. With the same response of trying to ship it out thursday and gave him my response that I would try but could no gaurantee it. I then informed him I was going back to work and couldnt reply until late that night.

Well....it then turned in to him demanding I shipped the gecko out thursday. Again him sending MANY messages to me that I could not answer because I was at work.

To make this already long story short, I had a break between appointments, replied to him and refunded his money because I didnt want to deal with him any more. I asked him to never contact me again and I informed the fauna moderator. I have every message he has sent me and I have sent him. Even to the point where my messages are 92% full from all of them. It was just too many messages to post plus Im going to back to work againt his morning.

If that makes me a bad bussiness man then so be it. I refunded his money immediatly and was able to reply to his messages when I could. Not every 10 minutes like he sent them. I hope he finds the gecko he wants but it wont be from me.

Christopher Stancel, DVM
 
I truly think this needs thread needs deleted. The op is angry that through his own actions a sale was rejected. Chris I do not need any emails because in my opinion there was no bad transaction. Chris has every right not to sell to someone just as I have the same. I was at a show 2 weeks ago and a young man approached and was looking into one of our geckos. You could tell in the conversation it was an impulse buy not planers nor research. I told him to get his tank set up and all his research done and we will sell him one. He could have gone to another vendor and bought one but I have control of my animals. I would purchase from Chris with no hesitation and if the op had shown a little control he could have to.
 
Christopher,

You are not the bad guy. It was clear in the first thread that was locked that he was upset he had to wait five days for it to ship and even more upset you refunded his money instead. I would rather wait until Monday (or Tuesday in this case) than to have any live animal shipped on a Thursday and sometimes you have to walk a way from a potentially bad situation. Hopefully, this thread will get closed and removed too, since it adds absolutely no value.
 
I was at first tempted to think that the OP is a troll, but then other came forward with similar experiences so all I can say now is "wow." It is really scary to think that someone so clearly unstable is out there without professional supervision.
 
Before anybody else joins that chant - we do not delete BOI threads unless they are in violation of certain rules. As I stated to Dr Stancel last evening, if things were as simple as they seemed, a bad guy thread by Yankees769 would not reflect badly on him; and that he (Yankees769) would get torn apart if he posted in the same manner he had been.

I, too, find it hard to believe that he is 31, given his postings. I had to post a message on the Doc's visitor board because Yankees had posted 7 messages in 35 minutes (don't bother looking for mine, I removed it when I was sure he had seen it). I also posted to the ad in which Yankees had responded, and closed/removed the first of 3 threads started about this. As a result, I received a group of rapid fire PMs myself. :shootfoot

I do regret not being here when THIS thread was posted, because (after my interactions) I was looking forward to addressing the issues of this case...and helping this guy implode. As it is, Dr Stancel stated his case, and that he returned the money in short order. Good call, sir - nobody needs a customer like that.
 
Thank You DVM for clearing that up. I definately agree with your course of action. Nobody needs a customer like that and the seller has EVERY right to refuse a sale.
 
DVMExotics said:
I need to clarify some things about this Bad Guy post by yankee789 aka Chris Kalesnick.

First to clarify Maia Im not the one that wrote/ typed in that way, the original person posting the claim did. I do know many veterinarians are not too good on computers but I am and even wrote publications.

As far as the bad guy post and not knowing how to run a bussiness.... Breeding is not a bussiness for me. I am a veterinarian. I breed for fun. I enjoy these animals and the excitement of producing them. My job as a veterinarian is the main part of my life and consumes a big part of my life. I work many hours every day and am on call for emergencies so even when I may leave the hospital I may have to go back if an emergency is coming especially if that is an exotic.

That said the problems with this transaction first occured when I received many messages from the buyer through out the morning, a good part of them complaing I wasnt answering them. Ok hard to do when I am seeing patients at work. So I still went on to reply to him. Clarified that I am a vet and cleared that up. We then went on to discuss the animal he wanted to purchase, I was on a break from the clinic so I had time to do so while trying to feed and clean all my animals before I went back to work until 10 pm last night. Before money was sent I explained to him it would be hard to ship the gecko out on thursday as I am on a split shift meaning I could possibly leave by 1pm and be able to ship but there is a good chance that I may not because of my profession. I stated tuesday is my weekday off and my best day to ship. He kept stating he would send the money but try hard to ship thursday, I kept giving him the same reply. He sent the money. With the same response of trying to ship it out thursday and gave him my response that I would try but could no gaurantee it. I then informed him I was going back to work and couldnt reply until late that night.

Well....it then turned in to him demanding I shipped the gecko out thursday. Again him sending MANY messages to me that I could not answer because I was at work.

To make this already long story short, I had a break between appointments, replied to him and refunded his money because I didnt want to deal with him any more. I asked him to never contact me again and I informed the fauna moderator. I have every message he has sent me and I have sent him. Even to the point where my messages are 92% full from all of them. It was just too many messages to post plus Im going to back to work againt his morning.

If that makes me a bad bussiness man then so be it. I refunded his money immediatly and was able to reply to his messages when I could. Not every 10 minutes like he sent them. I hope he finds the gecko he wants but it wont be from me.

Christopher Stancel, DVM
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^^^THIS..... makes me respect him that much more... on top of the fact that his animals are all top notch.
 
i figured this would amount to nothing. everyone has a choice of who they sell their reptiles to but it is nice to have heard DVM's side of the story. it seemed like he is one of those people who rants and raves until they get their way. alls good that ends good. this bashing only goes to show that there are some people that we simply don't want to sell to, there are times to be patient and times to inquire. oh well, have a nice day!
 
So, since we all agree that the thread is essentially worthless and a lie, we can perhaps let it die a graceful death, so that the business in question does not have to suffer the ignominy of having that big red X in front of their name for all the world (FAUNA) to see. ;)
 
"asked if he could send the leopard gecko out this week.he said nooooo problem.the only reason was because i would be out of the state working in new hampshire all week and i live in maine.he said not a problem.so i i sent the money to his pay pal acc. and he told me to pay for it as a gift so hed get more money for the leo.then he emails me after all this was said an told me he couldnt send the leo for 5 days an on tuesday.i was very angry an wanted my money back.he refunded it an when i talked to pay pal,they said he sent a check just to make it longer till i get back my money.so now i gotta wait till monday or tuesday.REAL CUTE nmow i cant orderno other animalsAND JUST TO TOP IT OFF IT WAS SOME OFF MY BIRTDAY MONEY FROM MY 4 YO BOY "
At this point starting another thread instead of dealing with the one YOU started is pointless and childish. And based on your statement I beg for someone to sell to you so they can be next to be harrassed and falsely accused. Man give it up, swallow your pride, apologize for your actions and move on.
 
DVMExotics said:
I need to clarify some things about this Bad Guy post by yankee789 aka Chris Kalesnick.

First to clarify Maia Im not the one that wrote/ typed in that way, the original person posting the claim did. I do know many veterinarians are not too good on computers but I am and even wrote publications.

As far as the bad guy post and not knowing how to run a bussiness.... Breeding is not a bussiness for me. I am a veterinarian. I breed for fun. I enjoy these animals and the excitement of producing them. My job as a veterinarian is the main part of my life and consumes a big part of my life. I work many hours every day and am on call for emergencies so even when I may leave the hospital I may have to go back if an emergency is coming especially if that is an exotic.

That said the problems with this transaction first occured when I received many messages from the buyer through out the morning, a good part of them complaing I wasnt answering them. Ok hard to do when I am seeing patients at work. So I still went on to reply to him. Clarified that I am a vet and cleared that up. We then went on to discuss the animal he wanted to purchase, I was on a break from the clinic so I had time to do so while trying to feed and clean all my animals before I went back to work until 10 pm last night. Before money was sent I explained to him it would be hard to ship the gecko out on thursday as I am on a split shift meaning I could possibly leave by 1pm and be able to ship but there is a good chance that I may not because of my profession. I stated tuesday is my weekday off and my best day to ship. He kept stating he would send the money but try hard to ship thursday, I kept giving him the same reply. He sent the money. With the same response of trying to ship it out thursday and gave him my response that I would try but could no gaurantee it. I then informed him I was going back to work and couldnt reply until late that night.

Well....it then turned in to him demanding I shipped the gecko out thursday. Again him sending MANY messages to me that I could not answer because I was at work.

To make this already long story short, I had a break between appointments, replied to him and refunded his money because I didnt want to deal with him any more. I asked him to never contact me again and I informed the fauna moderator. I have every message he has sent me and I have sent him. Even to the point where my messages are 92% full from all of them. It was just too many messages to post plus Im going to back to work againt his morning.

If that makes me a bad bussiness man then so be it. I refunded his money immediatly and was able to reply to his messages when I could. Not every 10 minutes like he sent them. I hope he finds the gecko he wants but it wont be from me.

Christopher Stancel, DVM
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Chris,

As you can see before you even posted this matter was almost summed up to who would be the bad guy. There are to many unprofessional, immature, blow hards to let ruin your day. Your ONE post clarified everything that we needed to know. An I think I have said it in my first post. IF the op approached you the same way he approached me he probably wouldn't like the answer he got. :yesnod:
 
Chris Kalesnick....you've demanded INSTANT responses from those you attempt to do business with. So where are YOUR instant responses to the questions raised in this thread that YOU started? Hmmmm? Is that any way for a responsible adult to behave?

If Dr. Stancel truly said he would ship immediately, then PROVE it with the e-mails or messages you two exchanged. PROVE that you were the one who demanded your money back, rather than him becoming fed up with your temper tantrums and giving it back to get you out of his face. (Which I would have done, too, based on all I've seen of your antics)

Obviously you have TIME to do so...as you expect everyone else in the world to have time to respond instantly to your incessant inquiries.....so....???
 
yankees789 said:
i asked if he could send the leopard gecko out this week.he said nooooo problem.the only reason was because i would be out of the state working in new hampshire all week and i live in maine.he said not a problem.so i i sent the money to his pay pal acc. and he told me to pay for it as a gift so hed get more money for the leo.then he emails me after all this was said an told me he couldnt send the leo for 5 days an on tuesday.i was very angry an wanted my money back.he refunded it an when i talked to pay pal,they said he sent a check just to make it longer till i get back my money.so now i gotta wait till monday or tuesday.REAL CUTE nmow i cant orderno other animalsAND JUST TO TOP IT OFF IT WAS SOME OFF MY BIRTDAY MONEY FROM MY 4 YO BOY
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Any proof of what your saying? e-mails or text messages, Etc.... Without proof YOUR words will fall on def ears.
 
Originally Posted by yankees789
U WANNA LET ME KNO TOLD U TO HOLD IT TO THE 1ST U SAID NO.TOLD U LASTNIGH I HAD THE MONET BUT PPL WHERE LOOKING AT HIM WITH OFCOARSE NO DEPOSIT DOWN

He had the Monet people and he only wanted a few dragons.. geckos.. something..

I like how he expected everyone to jump because he was a potential buyer and he can't jump to save his name. I know that if he treated me like that in the future for any dragons I produced I would turn him away.
 
people people take a valium or something its between me an him.he said he would hold it to the 1st.wow shocka its only been on here for a year.i came up with the money an he said he had ppl looking at him.i had no problem with that even though it was suppose to be held for 2 days.not even 10 mins. later he wrote me back an said i could take him.i just didnt like the game he was playing.nobdy wanted the dragon the whole time it has been on here an when i come up with the money it was supposeibly gone till 10 mins after i talked to him an as the person that can invert #s u are a damn genius/would i do any buisness with him no.just made a trade yesterday i even sent out 1st.i sent 4 dragons out an he sent me some nice leos including some high end snowbell enigmas.will this thread hurt my buisness,not at all ive got plenty of ppl who will still deal with me.so everybody have a nice day.and mothers on demand (mod)make sure u guy stay happy and in wonderful moods
 
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