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Bad Guy Lizard Lounge Using My name to Sell Products

Justin Mitcham

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After a really upsetting call from an important Asian customer who couldn't understand what was going on, (huge language barrier), who instead of placing an order said he will have to think some more ..I decided to make this post publicly to set the record straight. Since this confusion may have just cost me a customer and order. After having two surgeries and being out of work for the last two months..I could of use the funds!!

Gregg Madden and Lizard Lounge
Please stop using my name to sell your products.
I have never used them or seen them I certainly wouldn't promote something I know nothing about.
My methods of incubating hognose are almost perfect in my book and I am proud of that fact. It took many years to get it right. I dont need you confusing people especially my customers.

Here's the only email I have related to that subject..
Gregg Madden seems to be his partner from what he says in the email.



-----Original Message-----
From: Gregg Madden <[email protected]>
To: Justin extreme hogs <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 1:00 pm
Subject: Het albino anacondas...

Hey Justin,
Hope all is well...
What can you do for a good sized group of het albino condas??? I was talking with my partner (you met him in China and he said you were a cool dude) and we want to go full bore with the hognose projects... How many het albino condas can you sell us and at what price???

Also, when are you going to start using our SIM containers bro... LOL...

If you want, I can send you one for free to try out... If you use it and take pics of hog hatching on it, they will go up on our site with a link to your website...

Thanks
=

Excerpt from the site:

Introducing the SIM Incubation Container by Squamata Concepts.
When it comes to the precious eggs hatching, it keeps everyone on the edge of their seats.
With names like Ray Gurgui (thunderbayherps.com), Justin Mitcham (extremehogs.com) and Mark Orfus (northerngecko.ca) having personally used and trusting this product. The Lizard's Lounge finds this to be an indispensible tool for its future projects. We would also like to share this opportunity and to learn together with local reptile keepers on the effectiveness of this relatively simple tool to incubate eggs in Malaysia.
WHAT IS THE S.I.M? (content courtesy of SquamataConcepts.com)
The S.I.M. stands for Suspension Incubation Method relating to how the eggs are incubated on a grid off the substrate. This prohibits direct contact with a wet substrate and allows approximately 100% gas exchange between the container environment and the egg membrane.
Eggs incubated buried in dampened substrate are subjected to excess water which often results in drowned egg(s). Also in contrast to this, too little water or humidity results in egg desiccation.
Eggs incubated in the S.I.M. are surrounded top, bottom and sides by air. The steady humidity and (possibly) better Oxygen absorption in these containers allows neonates to develop faster resulting in shortened incubation times. Clutches incubated in this container have all hatched earlier than when buried in Perlite at same temperature. All neonates hatched fully developed without egg yolks.
The triangular bars that you see on top of the grid are the eggs stabilizer bars. The function of these bars is to keep eggs from rolling or being uprooted by clutch mates and they are fully adjustable to fit just about any egg size. The S.I.M. incubation containers are crystal clear.This so the eggs can be visually monitored without having to guess. The grid is designed to keep hatchlings from entering the substrate chamber.
For keepers who incubate over water, this feature ensures hatchlings are safe.The lid is soft TPU that fits the container base without being difficult to remove and upset the contents. We suggest venting the lid by adding a few small holes to avoid an air tight situation.
DIMENSIONS
Each S.I.M. Container is 8" L x 6.75" W x 4.5" H.


S.I.M. Container
$ 0 USD
Buy the S.I.M Container today @ The Lizard's Lounge for only RM150.00.

Email us for purchasing details - [email protected]
 
Justin, not sure why you are bring me up in all this... What does someone who bought some containers wholesale in Malaysia have to do with us... We are not partners with Lizard Lounge, they are a customer... Believe me if I wanted to promote my product, your name is the last one I would use... Especially after this...
 
Answer this...then..how does the guy in ASIA know about you wanting me to use the containers...

HOW because you told him I was using them already or your partner did.

No mystery here dude..I dont believe in coincidences either.

So he picked my name out of hundreds and hundreds of breeders..right!!

I'll email him and ask how he came to think I was using these!!
 
And what did my personal email to you have anything to do with what a lizard breeder in another country... I was willing to give you the benefit of a doubt even after all the bad stuff every other hognose breeder had to say about you but now I believe what they say 100%... You could have easily emailed me when you caught wind of this as you obviously have my addy and my phone nunber...

Get your facts straight before you make a BOI post and involve people who are not involved...
 
Answer this...then..how does the guy in ASIA know about you wanting me to use the containers...

HOW because you told him I was using them already or your partner did.

No mystery here dude..I dont believe in coincidences either.

So he picked my name out of hundreds and hundreds of breeders..right!!

I'll email him and ask how he came to think I was using these!!

Do you have an email from me stating this??? I am confused... Someone said that I wanted you to use my container??? And that warrented a BOI thread??? Am I getting this right???
 
still #1 in hog sales bro!! hatched out over 500 have only 170 left...
So anymore heresay you want to add..please follow the rules here
 
My partner is John Adragne... He was in China checking on production of our containers... He went to the show and met you there... He also seen Ron Tremper as well... Ron knows who we are and can verify this... You are way off bro...
 
You and your partner are the only ones in the world I talked with on this..so how does the guy know..your pathetic dude.
 
Adragna... Not Adragne... LOL...
I have many well respected breeders who like, use and promote our product... Like I said, I dont need someone with your rep backing it...
 
very clear what happened..you or your partner needed a sale and told them I am one of the ones using your product..seems you really like and needed my rep then...

so if it wasn't you or your partner then who..

I'll ask him to come here and explain who told him I used these and why?
 
very clear what happened..you or your partner needed a sale and told them I am one of the ones using your product..seems you really like and needed my rep then...

so if it wasn't you or your partner then who..

I'll ask him to come here and explain who told him I used these and why?

LOL... Justin, I have A LOT of bigger and better respected names to drop than yours... LOL...

Did ya ever think it could just be a mistake on the guy in Malaysias part???

Why dont you get him on here and tell his part...
My question is, how would this cause you to not get a sale???

Seems like you are leaving out a lot if information...
 
I still fail to see how me offering you a free container and offering you a banner space on my site when you provide pictures comes around to bite me in the behind...

You are reaching Justin... Did you ever think you lost a sale due to you bad rep???
 
Justin, so far, it seems to me like you're leaving out too much information. I'm not taking sides, because so far I don't see any sides to take. And I'm not prejudice against any of the parties because I don't know any of them and am not familiar with anyone's supposed reputation, good or bad.

I'm just not following what your issue is...at all. Some guy in Asia may or may not buy something from you based on.....???? What? Someone said you use some brand of container that you don't really use? :shrug01: Who said that? What is so awfully wrong with the container that association with it will ruin your rep to the point of losing sales? What exactly is the association between Greg Maddon, Lounge Lizard, the guy in Asia who didn't buy anything from you, and the mysterious rep-ruining container?
 
Excerpt from the site:

Introducing the SIM Incubation Container by Squamata Concepts.
When it comes to the precious eggs hatching, it keeps everyone on the edge of their seats.
With names like Ray Gurgui (thunderbayherps.com), Justin Mitcham (extremehogs.com) and Mark Orfus (northerngecko.ca) having personally ...

Im a little confused, whos website did that excerpt come from? And how did someone using your name to sell tubs cost you snake sales? (more curious than accusing)
 
Do you have any emails or evidence that Gregg did anything wring at all because I dont see anything here. How would using a container o hatch you eggs in make you lose a sale?


After a really upsetting call from an important Asian customer who couldn't understand what was going on, (huge language barrier), who instead of placing an order said he will have to think some more ..I decided to make this post publicly to set the record straight. Since this confusion may have just cost me a customer and order. After having two surgeries and being out of work for the last two months..I could of use the funds!!

Gregg Madden and Lizard Lounge
Please stop using my name to sell your products.
I have never used them or seen them I certainly wouldn't promote something I know nothing about.
My methods of incubating hognose are almost perfect in my book and I am proud of that fact. It took many years to get it right. I dont need you confusing people especially my customers.

Here's the only email I have related to that subject..
Gregg Madden seems to be his partner from what he says in the email.



-----Original Message-----
From: Gregg Madden <[email protected]>
To: Justin extreme hogs <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 1:00 pm
Subject: Het albino anacondas...

Hey Justin,
Hope all is well...
What can you do for a good sized group of het albino condas??? I was talking with my partner (you met him in China and he said you were a cool dude) and we want to go full bore with the hognose projects... How many het albino condas can you sell us and at what price???

Also, when are you going to start using our SIM containers bro... LOL...

If you want, I can send you one for free to try out... If you use it and take pics of hog hatching on it, they will go up on our site with a link to your website...

Thanks
=

Excerpt from the site:

Introducing the SIM Incubation Container by Squamata Concepts.
When it comes to the precious eggs hatching, it keeps everyone on the edge of their seats.
With names like Ray Gurgui (thunderbayherps.com), Justin Mitcham (extremehogs.com) and Mark Orfus (northerngecko.ca) having personally used and trusting this product. The Lizard's Lounge finds this to be an indispensible tool for its future projects. We would also like to share this opportunity and to learn together with local reptile keepers on the effectiveness of this relatively simple tool to incubate eggs in Malaysia.
WHAT IS THE S.I.M? (content courtesy of SquamataConcepts.com)
The S.I.M. stands for Suspension Incubation Method relating to how the eggs are incubated on a grid off the substrate. This prohibits direct contact with a wet substrate and allows approximately 100% gas exchange between the container environment and the egg membrane.
Eggs incubated buried in dampened substrate are subjected to excess water which often results in drowned egg(s). Also in contrast to this, too little water or humidity results in egg desiccation.
Eggs incubated in the S.I.M. are surrounded top, bottom and sides by air. The steady humidity and (possibly) better Oxygen absorption in these containers allows neonates to develop faster resulting in shortened incubation times. Clutches incubated in this container have all hatched earlier than when buried in Perlite at same temperature. All neonates hatched fully developed without egg yolks.
The triangular bars that you see on top of the grid are the eggs stabilizer bars. The function of these bars is to keep eggs from rolling or being uprooted by clutch mates and they are fully adjustable to fit just about any egg size. The S.I.M. incubation containers are crystal clear.This so the eggs can be visually monitored without having to guess. The grid is designed to keep hatchlings from entering the substrate chamber.
For keepers who incubate over water, this feature ensures hatchlings are safe.The lid is soft TPU that fits the container base without being difficult to remove and upset the contents. We suggest venting the lid by adding a few small holes to avoid an air tight situation.
DIMENSIONS
Each S.I.M. Container is 8" L x 6.75" W x 4.5" H.


S.I.M. Container
$ 0 USD
Buy the S.I.M Container today @ The Lizard's Lounge for only RM150.00.

Email us for purchasing details - [email protected]
 
How did I loose a sell..
I have a friend in HK who is having some very bad issues with incubation, HK is super hot and humid. Not the best environment for hog eggs. Some breeders have similar problems in florida. He loves hogs but cant seem to get them to hatch. He wants to buy more but he is concerned. He has been doing a lot of looking around trying to figure out the prob.. After spending hours on the phone trying to convince and teach him to try a new way he came across this site that states how I "incubate". So I get a phone call asking me why the confusion and he decided to hold his order for now.Ouch!!

The only two people who I ever talked too about this is gregg and his partner. Now I find a very similar website that states I use this product..the same product they were trying to get me to use and promote for them..the same product they sold to this distributer!! Devil is in the Details here..there is absolutely no way that this guy overseas would put my name on his site unless he was sold this product and I was used as a reference.
Now
I am very happy to see that I am doing so well that it takes fabrication, use of my name etc.. to promote yourself or product. If you want to take swipes at me Gregg come one here with actual proof that i did something unreputable..maybe you got reputation and popularity mixed up..
I am not popular among my competition for several reasons..
WHY
My animals are generally better looking
My care info is better
Here's a taste of what I have to deal with on almost a daily basis!! It's irritating, all I ask is that these guys leave me alone and handle there business without this kind of constant harrassment or mess.

Hello

I understand your point on the forum and everyone is entitled to their own opinion,if you only new some of the crafty things this guy hase done ,see examply below,im not a truble maker but I just dont like bullies,liers,to say the least.i hope you enjoy your hogs as much as i do.

My good friends son put a large deposit down on some hogs ,over 75% of the total purchase,a few days later he was told that if he could not full payment in less the 48 hours later ,his snakes would be sold and no refund,at all,and thats what he did, no snakes and no refund.

Please dont be upset with me for being truthfull

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100% untrue
but not if you talk with peeps like gregg...
So whats the rumor now??? LOL
 
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