While I will say that Justin has a valid complaint with The Lizard's Lounge of misrepresentation by using Justin's name without permission as well as stating falsified information that Justin has used this product (as can be seen
here , I fail to see how Gregg is to blame for this. Obviously this is where the buck stops and the BS begins.
First off, Justin's name has already been removed from the
web site, so problem solved there.
I'm totally failing in trying to understand how a sale was actually "lost". Justin himself has contradicted himself several times in this thread by originally saying the order was put on hold, a sale was lost, to ultimately pondering if the guy was even serious or not about finalizing a deal at all. All quoted and bolded for scrutiny:
After a really upsetting call from an important Asian customer who couldn't understand what was going on, (huge language barrier), who instead of placing an order said he will have to think some more ..I decided to make this post publicly to set the record straight. Since this confusion may have just cost me a customer and order.
How did I loose a sell..
I have a friend in HK who is having some very bad issues with incubation, HK is super hot and humid. Not the best environment for hog eggs. Some breeders have similar problems in florida. He loves hogs but cant seem to get them to hatch. He wants to buy more but he is concerned. He has been doing a lot of looking around trying to figure out the prob.. After spending hours on the phone trying to convince and teach him to try a new way he came across this site that states how I "incubate". So I get a phone call asking me why the confusion and he decided to hold his order for now.
I don't know whats being said with "my approval" and now it has interfered with a sale. If he was on the fence or not..there is no way of telling and I dont like to think about what if when it comes to a several thousand dollars.
And I still fail to realize why Justin's name tagged on this product even cost him a sale to begin with. If this customer was confused between what Justin said on his web site versus this claim that he was using the SIM instead, Justin obviously could have cleared it up with the customer by informing him that the site was misrepresenting the product by using Justin's name. Even if Justin had a difficult time trying to explain in a way that the customer understood due to language problems, what was it about the claim of Justin using the SIM that put the guy off anyways? Personally, this just doesn't make any sense to me and no proof has been presented that this was actually the case.
However, all of this has nothing to do with Gregg other than the fact that Gregg's product is involved with the misrepresentation of Justin's name, that's all! So, why Justin is blaming Gregg for any of this is beyond me. Heck, I'm not even sure why Justin is bringing all of this stuff up about Charlie Shanklin and Brent Bumgardner either, none of which has anything to do with his complaint here. It's obvious to me that Justin cannot provide proof of his claims and therefore has to obfuscate his "facts" with a lot of garbage. This seems to be a typical tactic that Justin uses whenever he posts stuff of this nature and cannot back up his claims.
Did anybody else catch the contradiction and hypocrisy with this statement:
This place is used for shaming in a lot of ways..and it is a tool for me to use. Not a place I aspire too fit in at.
Justin, if this place is so misused and so terrible that you don't want to fit in with, how come you come here every now and then to use this site for your own agendas? Of course nothing surprises me after you posted this last year on KS:
JustinMitcham at Sat Sep 26 16:37:03 2009 said:
LOL...
no what's obnoxious is the fact I could sit all day and post hundreds of hog pics one after another just to tick you off...LOL
The jealousy other breeders show on this forum is amazing...
As most of you know I could care less what any of you thought..and some of you I told that to you nose to nose..I have my personal friends, awesome wife ,customers and hogs..what else do I need..95% of reptile people are scum of the earth period..=I been doing this for 14 years now.. there is a reason why you never see any of the big nmae breeders on the forums..why because of this crap.
We just bought some land and were building a "hogfarm" that should soon be the largest in the world, and a new house..life is good..when I want to blow off steam..show off some animals or get a good laugh I come here to this forum..
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Justin Mitcham
ExtremeHogs.com
I also like how he takes a pot shot at Fauna in this thread
I don't even advertise Lucille...certainly not here and when I do it's on a proper site like Kingsnake
What's so "proper" about Kingsnake and not here? Kingsnake definitely is a well known site and gets a lot of traffic, there's no denying that, but I wouldn't claim that Fauna is any less "proper" just because of Kingsnake's presence. In fact, you are being totally insulting to a site that you come to every now to use for your own twisted personal agendas. It's no wonder you no longer frequent too many forums anymore, you seem to burn bridges wherever you go.
The bottom line is, you had a valid complaint against The Lizard Lounge and it's now been fixed. It's highly questionable whether or not you lost a sale because of this but highly doubtful based on the lack of facts even by your own admission. And your problem with Gregg is completely unfounded in regards to the complaint against The Lizard Lounge. All of the other stuff you've yammered on about is totally unrelated to your original complaint; it's superfluous and completely ridiculous.
Case closed!
