Info Ashley Caspillo-SakaraGT4/Sakara *Possible Buyer Beware!*

[amercnwmn]

I talked to several ppl about this and I was told by ppl who have experienced inclusions and stuff that just because there were inclusions did not mean the snake had IBD... That Inclusions could form to fight off other issues such as Pneumonia, sort of like Inclusions can form in humans that have Alzheimer's disease...

So you took the word of people who did not examine your snake personally?

You claimed it was a second vet who actually discounted the IBD results? Which is it??
I certainly can't imagine a vet who did not perform a necropsy or participate in the exam personally discounting the presence a potentially devastating disease.

Personally I think it was ONE post you read right after posting the necropsy, where a member was just trying to ease your worry, and you heard what you wanted to hear in order to justify STILL having ads up.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148034&highlight=Deans+reptiles&page=18

I took their word because I had not read Dr. Jacobson's info on IBD at the time...

Funny, on the other BOI thread, you claimed to have read it AND spoken with Dr, "Jameson"...

HOWEVER, I did not add any more animals for several months after that... WHEN I did add animals, they were kept in a brand new stack of repti-racks in the front room, away from the main collection..

You "claimed" you did your "research".
Even on Anapsid.org it clearly illustrates IBD can remain dormant for LONG periods of time.

I think the point here isn't that you brought IN more animals, it's that you were LISTING THEM FOR SALE DURING THE MONTHS OF NOV 09-JAN 09 while you were accusing Deans of selling you an IBD infected snake.

Now, no snakes have passed since my burm in May... The BCL and only pathology to show inclusions was in Nov. 2009, over a year ago...

So when did Phoenix (your male boa) die?

I know he hasn't been counted in the deaths within the past year so far:

You claimed to have had THREE DEATHS OTHER THAN THE BCI...
However according to your iHerp Account: Phoenix died at some point.

Lil Boy male BCL that showed positive for IBD
Ruby: female boa that several pics showed "gaping" that died shortly after while gravid from "pyometra"
Nagini: The burm that had a severe RI that died of liver complications
Retic: supposably starved

I am still not going to breed my animals this year... I will not be doing any expos this year... I was told to wait a year from the last death... Which, if you go based off of the BCL, it HAS been a year...

But since my burm died in May, even though she and no others showed inclusions, I will still wait... I also plan to do liver biopsies on several animals so that I can start "clearing" the collection in writing...

Oh well THANK GOD.
You need to get Kyle's snakes, Yvonne's snakes and anyone else you've sold to, tested FIRST.

YOU claim Yvonne had prior knowledge of the IBD, however, as deftly as you have brushed it off thus far, she may have been under the impression it was all "under control". I don't know. Yvonne has not yet made her case here. Hopefully she will soon.
I think unless there is WRITTEN proof somewhere that you told her your snake had IBD BEFORE she was committed to moving in, she may have a right to ask for HER snakes to be tested, since they were exposed, DIRECTLY to yours.

What you STILL aren't getting:
This is not going to be over with in a year come next May. This is going to be an ongoing ordeal. You can test the snakes, and they STILL can show negative. They require RETESTING NEXT year, and MORE waiting.

Once an animal comes back negative, I plan to separate it... We also plan in the near-ish future, to build an outside snake building... Keeping the boas and pythons in separate rooms in the building... Whether it be for breeders or just for pets, we still plan to do it...

I'll admit it, if I were you I would not even ATTEMPT to breed anything. I'd be ashamed to show up at a show, or even TRY to make a name for myself in this hobby after this.

You have lied through so much and shown yourself to not give a RIP about the animals, or who you could be hurting, I can't imagine ANYONE with ANY knowledge of this ordeal who would want to still do business with you after seeing how you handled this from the get-go.

I would NOT have sent any animals out if I saw any mites on them or suspected they may have mites...

No, you'll just sell them 2 days after getting a necropsy indicating IBD.

I'm sorry I'm being harsh here. I've had it with this same BS you've repeated over and over. You still don't GET IT.

Here's what your reply SHOULD have been:

"I'm refunding the money. You'll have it X date.
I'm testing ALL the 200+ snakes I've exposed to whatever MIGHT be in my collection, STARTING with Kyle's & Yvonne's snakes, and tracking down my buyers."
"I'm KEEPING my snakes, I'm not breeding, I'm not buying. I'm not "rescuing"
I'm not planning on doing ANYTHING untill this is ALL OVER & I HAVE 100% CLEAN snakes on EVERYTHING."

From your post, it appears you still don't grasp the severity, and you think it'll all die down after people get refunded and you do a test or two.

 

[amercnwmn]

Oh yeah and the snakes you added RIGHT AFTER the Burm died:
The Jamp in May 11th you posted you were getting it.
May 23 it was up for sale
June 28 you posted about it's horrible mouth rot/RI.

 

[Elizabethlea27]

Ok so this is Ashley's version of resolving things....

What responsible breeder asks YOU to pay shipping on a refund, and wants the sick snakes back, PROBABLY to resell in a back-alley? HECK NO!! Ashley you - NOT RYAN - owe me a refund pure and simple, and any good breeder would have given one to me by now, at the first sign of mites much less IBD that you never told me about in your collection!!!

 

[rc625]

Any ads that are being found are not active ads and probably old. None of the snakes are "still trying to be sold;" please PM me for any ads you find so that they can be taken down.
In terms of refunds, Rachel has made this an easy process and has funds pending with Paypal. Elizabeth has been offered a full refund but I have been kept in the dark whether she is going to accept or reject it.
Plans are to get the snakes tested with Dr Jacobson and again next year. True lock down for the next year seems to be the only logical thing to do.

 

[amercnwmn]

Yeah the shipping should definitely be covered by them..
Poor Ryan didn't create this issue, he's overseas in the military and pawning this problem off on him instead of telling him straight up "I screwed up, I gotta make this right". I'm sure he wouldn't LIKE it, but he'd support her. He has thus far.

As far as shipping the sick snakes, I understand your dilemma. I would also be hesitant to send any animal back into her care.

I'm at a loss, I've never dealt with this.

Hopefully one of the more experienced business owners on the site will be kind enough to PM you on their policies and how they would handle the situation?

 

[Elizabethlea27]

Ryan - I would take a full refund this minute, if it does not involve shipping snakes to your wife. AND I would like to add that Rachel was in a different situation that made it easier for her to get a refund from you..

a) She had them in a quarantine room that the mites DID NOT spread from - in my case mites from Ashley have infected most of my boas.

b) Rachel feels comfortable that as long as she gets these possibly IBD infected snakes AWAY from her house asap, then her collection will be safe. However since mites have spread through my house, I can say NO such thing and may be facing the hard fact of having to put down all of my snakes.

The last thing is, Ryan, I do not understand why you are involved in this end of things, while you are clearly overseas working a tough job to do? Can your spouse not handle a situation where a simple refund is necessary without sobbing to you? SERIOUSLY, WHAT IS THE DEAL. Real breeders do not act like this.

 

[Elizabethlea27]

Oh, I forgot to mention - the other thing that makes i easier for Rachel is that she is fedex certified to ship reptiles. I am not. That makes it tougher for me to ship back to you.

 

[rc625]

Here's what your reply SHOULD have been:

"I'm refunding the money. You'll have it X date. True, and this has already been arranged.
I'm testing ALL the 200+ snakes I've exposed to whatever MIGHT be in my collection, STARTING with Kyle's & Yvonne's snakes, and tracking down my buyers."
"I'm KEEPING my snakes, I'm not breeding, I'm not buying. I'm not "rescuing" True, this is the game plan.
I'm not planning on doing ANYTHING untill this is ALL OVER & I HAVE 100% CLEAN snakes on EVERYTHING." True, this is the game plan.

Ok so this is Ashley's version of resolving things....

What responsible breeder asks YOU to pay shipping on a refund, and wants the sick snakes back, PROBABLY to resell in a back-alley? HECK NO!! Ashley you - NOT RYAN - owe me a refund pure and simple, and any good breeder would have given one to me by now, at the first sign of mites much less IBD that you never told me about in your collection!!!

You have my emails. You can ignore them if you like, as they gave a simple and easy way to get your refund. I thought Ashley giving you less-than-satisfactory terms would make you respond to my emails but instead you would rather post on here about it.

 

[amercnwmn]

Thanks for the reply, and I think a plan of action was what everyone was looking for.
The silence was more incriminating than anything.

Hopefully everyone can get the refunds/tests ironed out and move away from the drama and worry about the snakes involved.

And I'll ask again, cause I don't remember an answer..Do you have to be Fed Ex certified to ship snakes? Shows how much business I do with Fed Ex.

 

[Elizabethlea27]

Uh, Ryan, I did not respond to your emails because in this situation I would rather talk to the breeder, not a third party about refunds. And after ignoring ME for about 5 days, I think you saying that I ignored you after LESS THAN 24 HOURS while I was pm'ing you wife is ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS.

As for "quick and easy"... I cannot ship, bro. What is quick and easy about getting a refund on YOUR TERMS if they require shipment of sick snakes? AND WHAT DO YOU GUYS WANT THEM BACK FOR ANYWAY?

Just give me my money back, without all this BS added to it, and quit digging yourselves into deeper holes than you realize.

 

[Elizabethlea27]

Court - you have to be certified to ship reptiles. You can hide them in a box labeled fragile if you want but I am not going to do that, because they may get squished anyway.

 

[amercnwmn]

Gotcha, thanks.

 

[rc625]

Thanks for the reply, and I think a plan of action was what everyone was looking for.
The silence was more incriminating than anything.
After reading through most of this, it was hard to clearly see a plan of action... I'm just trying to clear it up.

Hopefully everyone can get the refunds/tests ironed out and move away from the drama and worry about the snakes involved.

And I'll ask again, cause I don't remember an answer..Do you have to be Fed Ex certified to ship snakes? Shows how much business I do with Fed Ex.

Uh, Ryan, I did not respond to your emails because in this situation I would rather talk to the breeder, not a third party about refunds. And after ignoring ME for about 5 days, I think you saying that I ignored you after LESS THAN 24 HOURS while I was pm'ing you wife is ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS. The time in between is irrelevant, I believe what is important is that I offered your refund and you facebook'd Ashley like you never received my email and demanded results.


As for "quick and easy"... I cannot ship, bro. What is quick and easy about getting a refund on YOUR TERMS if they require shipment of sick snakes? AND WHAT DO YOU GUYS WANT THEM BACK FOR ANYWAY? Am I to understand that whenever you buy something and you are not satisfied, the company tells you to keep it and sends a full refund anyways?

Just give me my money back, without all this BS added to it, and quit digging yourselves into deeper holes than you realize.

Your money is being offered back to you but it seems the shipping issue must be worked out first.

 

[SakaraGT4]

I wanted to put the info out there also about FedEx certification... It is very easy...

You open a FedEx account, which takes a couple minutes... You call FedEx or go to a store and tell them that you want to be certified... You pack the box with a plastic snake or whatever and ship it as you would a real one to YOURSELF... You ship and it ships to you... That's how you certify yourself...

 

[Adrya]

Animals are NOT inanimate objects and so are handled differently in terms of return shipping and refunds.

The point is that SICK, MITE INFESTED ANIMALS were shipped to Elizabeth and others. THAT is a whole different term to deal with. From what -I- understand (and have read/seen on a few various websites), an acknowledgable breeder would give a refund without needing the animals back if they were found guilty to have sold sick animals. And that is exactly what you (Ashley) did.

I don't even know why you're JUST NOW butting into all of this, Ryan, when you aren't even in this country 98% of the time. Ashley is doing all of the business and is solely responsible for this matter.

 

[Elizabethlea27]

Your money is being offered back to you but it seems the shipping issue must be worked out first.

Yes, because I cannot legally ship snakes. So If you want them so badly why don'tyou figure out a method of shipping?

We also have a problem because unlike a sweater from walmart that I can take back if it doesn't fit or i don't like the color for a refund, these are living breathing animals. YOU don't seem to see the difference.
Animals need proper care, there is plenty of evidence presented here that you will not provide that. Why would I knowingly send snakes into the environment where they GOT the mites and IBD in the first place?

And since you claim you are no longer selling, why do you want these snakes? To re-sell locally to some other innocent? Or to some idiot who doesn't care?

Also, I cannot trust you to give me my refund once these snakes are back in your care, considering all the lies exposed in this thread.

So I am asking you to please consider my request of a refund for the value of these mite-infected snakes before I talk to a lawyer. Thanks.

 

[Adrya]

I wanted to put the info out there also about FedEx certification... It is very easy...

You open a FedEx account, which takes a couple minutes... You call FedEx or go to a store and tell them that you want to be certified... You pack the box with a plastic snake or whatever and ship it as you would a real one to YOURSELF... You ship and it ships to you... That's how you certify yourself...

There's A LOT MORE to it than just "shipping to yourself"...

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33533

 

[SakaraGT4]

Hmmmm... My bad then... That's what the guy at FedEx told me... I did not see that thread...

 

[Adrya]

From what -I- understand (and have read/seen on a few various websites), an acknowledgable breeder would give a refund without needing the animals back if they were found guilty to have sold sick animals.

I want to clarify that the customer would usually need to send the seller/breeder veterinary medical documents and pictures to verify to the seller that the animal was indeed sick and/or infested with parasites. So that would mean that the seller would not necessarily need to have the animals back in order to verify that the animals were sick. That would however also suggest that the seller would need to refund the customer the cost of the vet bills for the sick/dead animal.

 

[Adrya]

And if any more experienced, REPUTABLE, reptile breeder/seller wants to add or clarify to any of what I just said, I am open to it. I am not saying that THAT is the solution to this problem of refund/shipping.

However, I must agree with Elizabeth in her concerns of shipping the animals back to you, knowing your background, which of course is VERY clearly laid out in this thread.