Info Everegreen Pet Supply in Spokane Valley...sick rodents!

[JordanAng420]

Rats can be carriers of a disease called leptospirosus. The form rats carry is not a concern to humans or reptiles.

There is no danger to humans...

Actually, the exact opposite is true. Humans are very susceptible to Lepto, and if not treated, the disease can end up being fatal.

 

[Wolfy-hound]

actually a good amount of medications used to treat mammals are used to treat reptiles, especially antibiotics
as we treat mammals, rodents and reptiles with many many human drugs.

we treat all the above (exception of humans) in my veterinary clinic(s) daily.

I stand corrected that many meds are used across species. I still don't want to buy feeders treated with medications to my reptiles.

 

[reticguy76]

Absolutely. It's always best to use clean, healthy, unmedicated feeders

 

[JudyC]

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Why is it that some people think they don't have to provide any proof to back up what they are saying if it's just an 'info thread' and not a 'bad guy' thread?
You still have to show proof if you want people to believe what you're saying.

Why? Because how often have we seen someone post a "bad guy" thread with no evidence to back it up and a dozen different people lecture them about how it "Should have been an 'info' thread if you don't have any proof...."

I do agree that if someone is going to be touchy about being believed (bad guy, info, or any sort of thread), then they need to have all their ducks in a row and be able to provide proof of what they are saying.

...
Wolfy-Hound, you have quite a reputation yourself. Don't think that several of us from other websites haven't noticed your attitude towards discussion topics. We have.

Theresa's reputation speaks for itself...that it does. Just look at all those green dots. I know her well both from this site and from mine and have met her in person. I'm not at all aware of this mysterious "attitude" you're referring to and implying in some negative light. I may not always agree 100% with her, but I would trust her integrity and intelligence in a heartbeat. I seriously have no idea what you intended to accomplish with that sort of statement.

 

[rabernet]

Shellie, I'm confused by this thread. On another forum, the tan baby was one you "fell in love with" and named Chips because Max was so enamoured with her that he refused to feed her off.

And you were so in love with her that you said you bought her a pet mouse as a companion that you named Potato. If you knew your mother had problems with keeping them as pets, why did you add another critter that was going to end up thrown out in the cold?

 

[Lucille]

Shellie, I have some general advice:

Be careful before you publicly accuse a seller of selling sick stock. It can affect their livelihood if the accusations are not carefully thought out, and a careless unfounded accusation that causes damage can come back on you.

Care for your family. Your parents have said no rats in the house and you should respect that. You are in their home for only a short while (on another thread you mention you have a fiance) so while you are there, honor their wishes.

Be careful with money. On another thread you mention you are possibly in danger of losing your home. (Have you planned where your reptiles will go if that happens?)
Lives rats are expensive. Pet store parrot food used as rat food is very expensive. Feeding f/t is less expensive by far and in many ways a better choice.

Words carry great power. Be careful of what you say.

 

[shelliebear]

Losing our house--not a problem anymore
Keeping as pets on Bp.net--I said she was very cute and I wished I could keep her as a pet (Chips) but how many times did I also say she was obviously sick, which is why we didn't feed her? After we put her in the box overnight we started realizing "aw she is cute".
But in that thread I said OVER AND OVER, and kept asking for advice (which none of you people on BP.net seem to like anyway, being asked for advice) as to why she might be sneezing and wheezing.
Yes she was cute and I wanted to keep her as a pet but A. she was sick and I can't take her to the vet
B. rats can't be pets in my house
C. nobody responded to my Craigslist ad to take her so I called Evergreen

I started this thread because I thought the rats were sick. I don't know how many times I have to say it, Judy, but since people more knowledgeable about rats than myself have concluded that the rats did not look sick, I have since CHANGED my attitude about them.
I have said numerous times that since the rats weren't sick according to many of you, then I have nothing to say about Evergreen except perhaps look the rats over before you buy them.
I have even said I would consider buying from them again if the future, but I am switching to F/T now which they do not sell (to my knowledge).
If any of you would read what I was saying and stop diluting this thread with stuff that has nothing to do with Evergreen, maybe people would be able to focus long enough to understand my point.
Have a nice day.
Shellie
(oh, and about Wolfy-Hound, I was merely mentioning the fact that I and several members have noticed her (and others) comments...I'll take a lot, you know...but some things just aren't going to fly, like the accusations some people keep dreaming up. It's quite entertaining but still rude, and pointless. )

 

[shelliebear]

Shellie, I have some general advice:

Be careful before you publicly accuse a seller of selling sick stock. It can affect their livelihood if the accusations are not carefully thought out, and a careless unfounded accusation that causes damage can come back on you.

Care for your family. Your parents have said no rats in the house and you should respect that. You are in their home for only a short while (on another thread you mention you have a fiance) so while you are there, honor their wishes.

Be careful with money. On another thread you mention you are possibly in danger of losing your home. (Have you planned where your reptiles will go if that happens?)
Lives rats are expensive. Pet store parrot food used as rat food is very expensive. Feeding f/t is less expensive by far and in many ways a better choice.

Words carry great power. Be careful of what you say.

I have since retracted the statement that they sell sick rodents. Did you read my posts?

 

[timebider]

I stand corrected that many meds are used across species. I still don't want to buy feeders treated with medications to my reptiles.

I agree with this. It's like the debate about rBGH in cows' milk; maybe those synthetic hormones really do have zero effect on humans, but what health-conscious person would knowingly choose to ingest them when there is another alternative? Likewise, I don't want my reptiles exposed to medications that they don't themselves require.

I breed my own feeders and I would never take a sick rat to the vet (that said, thank God I've never had any sick rats). It's just counterintuitive. A sick rat in my racks would be humanely culled and responsibly disposed of. Sick rats may also be safe to feed to snakes, but I personally won't feed any rodent that's less-than-thriving to my reptiles. It's their only food source, so it better be as nutritious as possible. My .02.

 

[shelliebear]

If not an Info thread, WHAT do you all suggest I should have categorized this as?
To my non-expert mind the rats were sick.
So I posted an INFO thread about that.
I was told they were NOT sick.
I'm sure the people reading this thread are big kids and perfectly capable of making the right decision regarding Evergreen.
...considering I have stated numerous times I WAS WRONG.
Sorry Fauna. Won't give information about a store ever again.
Certainly won't trust the readers to be smart enough to make their own decisions, either.
They'll definitely choose to listen to a rat-noob idiot (me) over a pet store that is thriving (Evergreen).
I made a mistake. Oopsies! I'll go to Hell for it. Trust me.

 

[Lucille]

I have since retracted the statement that they sell sick rodents. Did you read my posts?

Shellie

I am giving you GOOD advice. You may find yourself accountable even though you later retract. Certainly there may be fewer people who will want you as a customer once they read this thread.

This is not like pre-K where after you apologize for calling JimBob a dummy there was milk and cookies. People's livelihoods are at stake here.

Words are powerful. Be more careful of them, and do your homework before you write headlines.

 

[shelliebear]

Thank you Lucille.

 

[shelliebear]

....and I didn't expect a celebration for me saying I was wrong. I trust that people that read this, like you, are smart enough and wise enough to make the right decision about Evergreen since I am admittedly wrong about my statement.
I don't want milk and cookies. I want Evergreen to get the business they deserve in light of my recent stupidity is all.

 

[shelliebear]

If there's anything I else I can do to make it right let me know. I'm at a loss.

 

[JudyC]

... and kept asking for advice (which none of you people on BP.net seem to like anyway, being asked for advice) ...

Oh yeah...over seven years of doing nothing but offering advice (for not a single dime of monetary gain, mind you) to thousands upon thousands of people. We just HATE giving out advice there.

Shellie....have you ever stopped to consider that maybe...just maybe...it's the attitude and the drama and the unnecessary defensiveness that causes people to lose patience with you? I've seen many people, including myself, try very hard to help you over and over again. But you ACT as if you don't want to listen to anything that might not fit with your particular wishes or warped view of how things should be. I'm not saying this is how it really is in your own head....all I'm saying is that is how you are coming across 9 times out of 10. You don't listen to much of what is said and only seem to read whatever it is that will fuel your need for drama...even if that is not really there.

Case in point:

I don't know how many times I have to say it, Judy, but since people more knowledgeable about rats than myself have concluded that the rats did not look sick, I have since CHANGED my attitude about them.

I didn't question your reason or motives for posting this thread. Not in the least. In fact, I actually DEFENDED your reasons for doing so because this is exactly what people have been told to do when wanting to share a bad experience without any proof to back it up. But you didn't want to read that....you only wanted to read another attack, apparently....and it makes someone like me very tired and short of patience to be misread like this, or ignored completely when really good advice is offered.

(oh, and about Wolfy-Hound, I was merely mentioning the fact that I and several members have noticed her (and others) comments...I'll take a lot, you know...but some things just aren't going to fly, like the accusations some people keep dreaming up. It's quite entertaining but still rude, and pointless. )

This is still a mystery....but yeah...whatever, as they say. Vague insinuations like this aren't exactly building sympathy in the people you keep reaching out to for help.

I'm very serious, Shellie...when dozens of different people point out the same types of issues over and over again...when it seems like "everyone" is losing their patience and even the typically very even-toned and level-headed people get short and brutally honest with you....it's time to take a hard look INWARD and be willing to work on your own issues, rather than trying to blame everyone else.

 

[sschind]

Ah yeah I did read your post.

In post 4 "Evergreen Pet Supply didn't take the rodents back. They said they were worried the other rats would get sick...THEY ALREADY ARE." But in post #18 "The store guy did say they are pretty young, so they might be sick from leaving their mother too early? " But now in post #30 "I SAID they were sneezing he did not feel comfortable taking them back because mycoplasma can wipe out whole colonies of rats very quickly and then he would have to freeze them all and start over. "... So which was it?

It could be all 3 these are not mutually exclusive comments. In fact they support each other. The pet store did not want to take them back because they feared they may be sick and they might wipe out the rest of the rats.

 

[shelliebear]

....I get defensive because it's very hard when I am one person trying to say something over and over that nobody is understanding--like, 10 people aren't understanding.
I'm getting completely droned out by 10 angry people posting, and my one little post gets lost in between all of them.
And honestly? I get really upset when people insult me. Before people insulted me, I DIDN'T SAY anything insulting to anyone else (and I'm not saying people have done it on here) but you know the thread in which I speak, and that has caused my to get defensive in general.
That thread hurt, people calling me an idiot and a bad snake owner, a liar, etc. and I'm not going to let people think that without trying to explain...
But nobody is hearing me. I am lost. I am out numbered. I am not being heard.
I don't know what else to do.
I don't like being ganged up on. I thought most people would understand why I am defensive at this point in time ESPECIALLY how many of the people who are on Fauna read the fiasco on your website. But I guess not.
I thank you for the advice and for saying it nicely. I can respect criticism, even harsh criticism. I can't respect somebody blatantly insulting me or calling me a name.
So thank you.
Shellie

 

[shelliebear]

Sschind, it WAS all three that the pet owner said. Thank you for understanding what I said.

 

[shelliebear]

( you are one of the only ones who did I guess?)

 

[shelliebear]

...I just noticed I spelled "Evergreen" wrong in the title...woooow.