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The lacey act and FedEx shipping policy are two different things.

I can't comment on the Lacey Act since I've never read it, heard about it, sounds boring.

FedEx policy is what I was talking about, I thought that was what we were discussing. The SYR videos show the customers how to pack a box so that the animal arrives alive. That is what I was getting at.

How does John Public shipping a cobra via FedEx on a label from his computer put the industry at risk less than if he does it via SYR? That makes no sense that SYR is putting the industry at bigger risk. Do you guys really believe that the dumb aren't shipping at all right now because SYR isn't up and running? Really? So all the fools that can't pack a box are just sitting at home chomping at the bit waiting for SYR to reopen. Come on, really??

The truth is that FedEx will continue to ship snakes until it is either too big of a hassle, or becomes somehow financially unsound. They will do it either with or without SYR.

Here's the biggest question. If FedEx calls it quits on shipping snakes tomorrow, how many of you will simply keep on shipping through them anyhow like folks did 10 years ago before there were snake exemption waivers? I'm sure there isn't a single person on here that will keep shipping snakes against FedEx policy, because you guys are all 100% honest all the time. Your sales will take a massive beating, many will be forced out of the industry, but that's okay, as long as you aren't breaking FedEx's rules. Right? lmao!!
 
2amcreations said:
The lacey act and FedEx shipping policy are two different things.

I can't comment on the Lacey Act since I've never read it, heard about it, sounds boring.

FedEx policy is what I was talking about, I thought that was what we were discussing. The SYR videos show the customers how to pack a box so that the animal arrives alive. That is what I was getting at.
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And it also shows you how to be dishonest. While I will admit the video in itself is a good thing.. .the glossed over some facts that needed to be mentioned because they were trying to fly under UPS's radar

How does John Public shipping a cobra via FedEx on a label from his computer put the industry at risk less than if he does it via SYR? That makes no sense that SYR is putting the industry at bigger risk. Do you guys really believe that the dumb aren't shipping at all right now because SYR isn't up and running? Really? So all the fools that can't pack a box are just sitting at home chomping at the bit waiting for SYR to reopen. Come on, really??
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Because he is doing so under HIS account. FedEx can track it back to him vs having to try and track it back under a reseller that does hundreds of packages per day. The key is... He is accountable for his own account. That is not the case if your using a reseller like SYR. There is no accountablilty for the person actually doing the shipping.

The truth is that FedEx will continue to ship snakes until it is either too big of a hassle, or becomes somehow financially unsound. They will do it either with or without SYR.
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The truth is... that having several hundred nuckleheads that are too lazy to get thier own account will end up putting our shipping ability at risk. UPS was willing to consider shipping snakes. There for a while they worked with both SYR and RE. But guess what... now they say its not worth it. What if FedEx takes the same stance because of individuals shipping under the SYR's account. Folks.... quit being lazy and get your own accounts.

Here's the biggest question. If FedEx calls it quits on shipping snakes tomorrow, how many of you will simply keep on shipping through them anyhow like folks did 10 years ago before there were snake exemption waivers? I'm sure there isn't a single person on here that will keep shipping snakes against FedEx policy, because you guys are all 100% honest all the time. Your sales will take a massive beating, many will be forced out of the industry, but that's okay, as long as you aren't breaking FedEx's rules. Right? lmao!!
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Sadly... if I had no way to ship then I guess I'd have to shut down. My regular job is a LEO and I cant put my current lively hood at risk.

This is the reason we dont want every Tom, Dick, and Harry being able to ship without jumping thru FedEx's hoops. Those hoops were put in place for a reason. And quite frankly... it was a very good reason.
 
The truth is... that having several hundred nuckleheads that are too lazy to get thier own account will end up putting our shipping ability at risk. UPS was willing to consider shipping snakes. There for a while they worked with both SYR and RE. But guess what... now they say its not worth it. What if FedEx takes the same stance because of individuals shipping under the SYR's account. Folks.... quit being lazy and get your own accounts.
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You don't *KNOW* that it will endanger the shipping ability. You *THINK* it may, but you have no way of knowing / proving that it will. Those same lazy fools will be shipping regardless, whether its through SYR or not. I just don't see how it'll all be SYR's fault that people are stupid and lazy. It'll all be the fault of the lazy fools that refuse to pack a box properly no matter who's account they use.

Sadly... if I had no way to ship then I guess I'd have to shut down. My regular job is a LEO and I cant put my current lively hood at risk.
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If you did you would be one of the very few. Not like it would do you any good, but I would actually respect the hell out of somebody that did that.
 
2amcreations said:
You don't *KNOW* that it will endanger the shipping ability. You *THINK* it may, but you have no way of knowing / proving that it will. Those same lazy fools will be shipping regardless, whether its through SYR or not. I just don't see how it'll all be SYR's fault that people are stupid and lazy. It'll all be the fault of the lazy fools that refuse to pack a box properly no matter who's account they use.
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How was it McDonalds fault that old lady couldn't drink her coffee without spilling it in her lap? The key is... if its your own account you will treat it better than someone else's account. You could loose it at any time if you screw up. Look at someone that rents a house/appartment vs someone that buys a place. They usually treat thier personal houses much nicer than a rental. why.... because it is theirs!


If you did you would be one of the very few. Not like it would do you any good, but I would actually respect the hell out of somebody that did that.
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Lets see... I could either quit or wind up where I work. That's not a hard decision.
 
2amcreations said:
You don't *KNOW* that it will endanger the shipping ability. You *THINK* it may, but you have no way of knowing / proving that it will. Those same lazy fools will be shipping regardless, whether its through SYR or not. I just don't see how it'll all be SYR's fault that people are stupid and lazy. It'll all be the fault of the lazy fools that refuse to pack a box properly no matter who's account they use.
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Why do you think when SYR had their UPS accounts pulled, shortly thereafter ReptilesExpress started having UPS bulk with their 3rd party shipping program? Bad taste in their mouths perhaps?

Further, why risk it? Does anyone know 100% if this will be the downfall of the Reptile Shipping Waiver? Of course not. But why put it at risk?
 
The day after SYR went down, I went to my local fedex and took the steps to become certified. Just not worth the risk. I would rather have the responsibility on my shoulders, whether the outcome be good or bad.
 
I am with Kevin on this one. As a certified shipper, I disagree that this is 'great news' for me or for this hobby. Of course people shipped/ship illegally all the time (people rob banks). Now, though, there's a company that says that you don't need to earn your money...they'll rob the bank and you can share in the take.

That's not the best analagy (distracted by V), but I got a sinking feeling in my stomach when I heard the news.
 
There are plenty of people that do things legally - I've spoken to a few people that had to suspend shipping when SYR went down, because they didn't have a waiver with FedEx (and they wouldn't lie about the contents of their packages). Would my business take a hit if FedEx stopped shipping snakes - sure.....but I'm a recognized Delta shipper, so I'd still have a viable option.
 
Kevin, you are really basing your decision on McDonalds?

Whatever guys. If you've decided not to use SYR that's your choice, but to continue railing against them with no proof of anything is starting to make you look a little nuts.

At the end of the day if FedEx pulls snake shipping it will be because of the people that refuse to properly pack their shipments. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
In the current anti-snake climate in gov't, If it wasnt for guys like Robyn and SYR legitimizing our hobby and proving that we are a huge economic force to be recognized by pitching and getting on board with a Fortune 500 company, some of you naysayers and pessimistic party poopers might have lost your right to keep. Imagine the next round of Legislation when the snake ban issue comes up and USARK can present the CEO of FEDEX to show that this hobby injects over $2 million into the economy through shipping alone? I personally want to THANK Robyn and SYR for a job well done! And BTW- some of you have a very distorted and far-reaching interpretation of the Lacey Act.
 
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In the current anti-snake climate in gov't, If it wasnt for guys like Robyn and SYR legitimizing our hobby and proving that we are a huge economic force to be recognized by pitching and getting on board with a Fortune 500 company, some of you naysayers and pessimistic party poopers might have lost your right to keep. Imagine the next round of Legislation when the snake ban issue comes up and USARK can present the CEO of FEDEX to show that this hobby injects over $2 million into the economy through shipping alone? I personally want to THANK Robyn and SYR for a job well done! And BTW- some of you have a very distorted and far-reaching interpretation of the Lacey Act.
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I disagree.

In my opinion, it's the lackadaisical manner and lack of self-policing with which this hobby has been conducted all along (breaking laws, rules, company TOS) that has landed us in our current bind, and the new comers trying to get a foothold now have to contend with the consequences of all the previous actions.

Personally, I see no reason to support any individual efforts to get rich on the part of the people that contributed to the mess and furthermore, see no reason to continue contributing to said mess that has been going on that will possibly continue messing things up if we don't grow a brain and stop just falling for whatever someone says because they have a "big" name.

Any business that suggests that their customers "ignore" a long standing rule of a shipping company (using excuses of paranoia on the part of the employees) is not a business that I would consider an ethical business.

Any business that proclaims to the rooftops that they have a Waiver, yet refuses to show it, on filmsy excuses that "somone may copy it" is not someone I would consider doing business with and risking my ability to ship.

No one is trying to tell those that want to ship with SYR that they shouldn't. We are simply expressing OUR own personal opinions based on evidence read and garnered from other posts (I suggest some of you do that)

I will not buy from anyone using SYR, and I will NOT ship using SYR. I worked hard to maintain my good standing with FedEx, and I see no reason to put MY future in the hands of anyone else.
 
bwt501 said:
In the current anti-snake climate in gov't, If it wasnt for guys like Robyn and SYR legitimizing our hobby and proving that we are a huge economic force to be recognized by pitching and getting on board with a Fortune 500 company, some of you naysayers and pessimistic party poopers might have lost your right to keep. Imagine the next round of Legislation when the snake ban issue comes up and USARK can present the CEO of FEDEX to show that this hobby injects over $2 million into the economy through shipping alone? I personally want to THANK Robyn and SYR for a job well done! And BTW- some of you have a very distorted and far-reaching interpretation of the Lacey Act.
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I'm really not following this one...

SYR didn't do anything in regards to getting FedEx to ship reptiles. Their has been a certification program long before SYR existed. So you're patting them on the back for a program that FedEx already had in place?

The Lacey Act and it's subsidiary documentation (50-CFR14) is pretty darn clear. No one with an understanding of the English language would have difficulty understanding it.
 
SYR did everything to get FedEx to run with thrid party approved shipping, and Residence -to- Residence shipping at that. I have been FedEx certified for a couple of years now and will probably continue to do so on my own unless the SYR discount is significant. As far as the Lacey Act is concerned, you can read into it as deep as you want, but it never will and never has been applied to Bob Breeder sending a legal corn snake overnight UPS. I personally worked cases in NYC Chinatown involving the seizure of thousands of hatchling red ear sliders, including arrest and identification of suppliers, distributors and sellers. The Eastern District Court of the U.S. had ZERO interest in prosecution. You pretty much have to smuggle some Tuataras in your pants through customs to spark a Lacey Act action.
 
bwt501 said:
SYR did everything to get FedEx to run with thrid party approved shipping, and Residence -to- Residence shipping at that. I have been FedEx certified for a couple of years now and will probably continue to do so on my own unless the SYR discount is significant. As far as the Lacey Act is concerned, you can read into it as deep as you want, but it never will and never has been applied to Bob Breeder sending a legal corn snake overnight UPS. I personally worked cases in NYC Chinatown involving the seizure of thousands of hatchling red ear sliders, including arrest and identification of suppliers, distributors and sellers. The Eastern District Court of the U.S. had ZERO interest in prosecution. You pretty much have to smuggle some Tuataras in your pants through customs to spark a Lacey Act action.
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They did "everything?" Do you have any evidence of these actions?

With FedEx able to set up hubs around the world and the number of franchises it has, I very much doubt that they would be eager to allow a "third party" to siphon off their profits.

They already allow free certification so that everyone can use FedEx and snakes are already allowed, so what benefit is going though SYR actually going to provide?
 
its in the email sent out yesterday by SYR. I cant link it from my phone. Im sure someone on here has it if they can please post it.
 
bwt501 said:
SYR did everything to get FedEx to run with thrid party approved shipping, and Residence -to- Residence shipping at that. I have been FedEx certified for a couple of years now and will probably continue to do so on my own unless the SYR discount is significant.
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Third party FedEx shipping has no benefits. Residential shipping has been under negotiation for a long time with FedEx, prior to SYR's claims that they've gotten the clear (I want to see it in writing). What exactly does either of these things have to do with USARK?

bwt501 said:
As far as the Lacey Act is concerned, you can read into it as deep as you want, but it never will and never has been applied to Bob Breeder sending a legal corn snake overnight UPS. I personally worked cases in NYC Chinatown involving the seizure of thousands of hatchling red ear sliders, including arrest and identification of suppliers, distributors and sellers. The Eastern District Court of the U.S. had ZERO interest in prosecution. You pretty much have to smuggle some Tuataras in your pants through customs to spark a Lacey Act action.
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I contacted USF&W about domestic shipping and they said it does apply. Just because it's unlikely they will bother with prosecution doesn't mean it won't happen or that you should violate the law. That's like me saying well, I know drunk driving is illegal, but it's unlikely I'll get caught so I'll just do it anyway.
 
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