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ok my wife and i are starting a ball python breeding business and we have been colecting ball pythons for awhile we try to stay in out budget for it so i go after good deals all but one have turned out great we recently purchased a female 500 plus gram ball python for 295 shipped it was what we thought to be a great deal turned out to be a very bad deal she arrived after i had left for work my wife was home she got her straight in the house on our rack system she then texted me at work saying hunny i think she is dead i told her to heat up some towels to cover her with but she was DOA for sure i had my wife email the seller the bad news when i got home from work i went straight into my snake room and picked her up out of the tube she was in and her head flopped over she was still pretty hard so we figure she froze to death during shipping she came in a make shift box with hot hands not 40 hour heat packs she did offer us a baby to replace her but i tried to get her to put it in formal writing and she wouldnt so i started digging and one of my friends found a long thread on here about other people she had dont bad business with and everyone i talked to about it said i should file a claim thru paypal to get my money back while i still could so i did we did get a refund of our money i dont know much about this woman but i will never do business with her again and she has a horible attitude here are the emails from me to the seller and back since the date we started talking i hope this helps someone we are lucky we got our money back

Bullshit I am a scammer say what you want I offered a baby because I felt bad you and your wife cried poor to me. wrong shipping my ass. You fucked me over and you know it. dead snake my ass the ladies at fedex saw her before I put her in thats okay I will be asking them for a letter as soon as I get it I will be posting it where ever Id like. . I wont drop it you didnt deserve that snake. How did sam in pa get 2 snakes where it was colder and their alive but you 1 state away where its a hell of alot warmer dies. But in your email she was alive upon delivery and died later that day but to paypal you said she was dead when she got there???? your a fucking liar and you know it. Dont bother responding your a dead beat. I offered you a baby when hatched because your wife was saying how broke you are. I didnt have to do that. Thats okay I will let everyone know your scam in ur email you said your last snake was dead also a pastel u got from someone else. Kinda fishy only you keeps getting dead snakes. And for your info on fauna sam and I have worked out our differences you can say what bullshit you want. What me and my partner have done go fuck yourself you dont even know what the hell your talking about. Nor do you know us. Thats okay you will still be raising shit morphs because you'll never afford the highend ones. We will see what happens.


> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:15:21 -0800
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: morphs
>
> just to let you know i talked to serveral people including ones you scamed dont bother threatening me i sent paypal every email you sent meand i sent you and the pics i sent you and if you didnt think it was dead why were you offering to send me a snake every one i talked to and showed her to said she died due to improper shipping you didnt package her correctly some said she might have been deid when you shipped her just drop it and leave it alone everyone on fauna has said your a scammer and i told you the honest truth if you would have put that u would replace her in a written form i would have accepted it but you dodged it and i started to dig around about you i found alot of people you have ripped off and i also sent paypal the thread address that talks about what you and your partner have done in the past just drop it it was nothing personal i have to look out for me and my bussiness all the people i talked to said i should put a claim in before the time was up with paypal and dont get smart with me over it i have yet to say anything on fauna or any other place about our bad deal i didnt feel like i should be mean to you ive tried to be a nice person about this
> ---- Reptile Garage <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > I see you lied to paypal to get money that was not yours, you stole a snake plain and simple. I will posting Im a scammer give me a break there was no guarantee and you know it I said I felt bad for you and would give you a baby that was the deal. Thats okay this isnt over I will be posting to every reptile thread about you. You can guarantee that and I have shown several people the pictures you sent and emails. and everyone of them said its not dead it was only in transit less than 17 hrs.
> >
> > > Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 16:34:06 -0800
> > > From: [email protected]
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Subject: RE: morphs
> > >
> > > my wife and i love spiders and yeah come tax time i am either going to get a adult morph female just depends on how much i get back in tax returns i want a adult black pastel female or cinny so i can make pewters but i have a butter male that ive got to find something to pair him up with
> > > ---- Reptile Garage <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > alls you will get are all normals babies het to pastel. I paired my lemon pastel w mojave to make pastaves, pin to normal for pin and norm babies, spider to albino, axanthic to a albino makes double het for snows, spider to a normal and i just bought a big pastel putting the spider to her that make s bumble bees we will see what takes and what babies we will get
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 12:53:12 -0800
> > > > > From: [email protected]
> > > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > > Subject: RE: morphs
> > > > >
> > > > > o im sorry if i offended you and i was just saying that if it was worth more then we paid not saying you had to send a more expencive one was just saying that we would cover shipping so you wouldnt be out any money at all i just wouldnt feel right sorry im not very good at putting what i think into words and depending on what you have hatch we might also buy another from you when they do what did you pair up o and i had a cool thing happen i put a dink pastel male i have with one of my normal breeder females and they locked up on and off for 4 days lol they went at it like rabits im hoping he proves out genetic he basicly is a pastel that hasnt lost his bright yellow and he is a 08
> > > > > ---- Reptile Garage <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I always keep my word but like I said I wont know what babies i'll have till they hatch, they havent even laid yet like i said. Once they lay i'll let you know who and what and how many eggs i have and i'll ship it but what you paid only comes to half or less of what the value of the babies i'll have they will all be 500-900 dollar babies. and some more. So please dont get greedy I gave you a killer deal. I dont even have to replace it Im doing it because I feel bad for you. It was shipped properly
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 19:43:51 -0800
> > > > > > > From: [email protected]
> > > > > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: morphs
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > o i talked to my wife when it comes to the replacment ball python if it is a higher value then what we paid we will cover any shipping costs and i hope we still have your word on it my wife has been worried about it
> > > > > > > ---- Reptile Garage <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > yes got them late lastnight I'll enclose a picture w this email thanks for giving her a name she was well worth it I'll keep in touch and talk to you soon she is the one on the left. Have a good new year
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 20:05:15 -0800
> > > > > > > > > From: [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: morphs
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > hey did you get the pics of her? laura and i felt so bad about even taking them i had to put her body in the freezer she was starting to put off a bad odder ill bury her tommarrow after i get off work laura and i are still upset over this i felt so bad i had my wife print one of are record sheets for her laura created a redisigned version for unhealthy arrivals and i told her we couldnt bury her without a name so we named her cypris witch was another name for the greek goddess of love and beauty i felt it was a good fit for her because she was such a gorgous animal ii hope you dont take offence to this but we keep records of anything to do with our ball pythons because we are trying to become breeders if you would be kind enough to put in writing that you are going to replace her with a baby this coming year it will be put into are records and if you have a picture of her while she was alive could you send that to us i dont want to put one of the pics we took in our photo book they will only be in our record book but thank you so much for being a honest and good person hard to find ppl like you to deal with most ppl just want to rip others off we will definantly do bussiness with you again and we hope you have a safe and easy move you are more then welcome to call text or email anytime you will have to read from bottom to top that how my email saves them
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ---- Reptile Garage <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I dont now how she was insulated, had 6 heat packs and wrapped in a towel over her snake bag, i sent one to pa and he is fine and it was 18 degrees there. I hope she comes around she was my favorite.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 09:40:01 -0800
> > > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: morphs
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hey, we recieved her at 10:20. She looked really cold almost frozen so i immediately put her in her tub on the heat. She's been on there since and the warmer she gets the more limp she gets. I'm thinking she's dead.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > ---- Reptile Garage <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > hi Fank shes on her way found out you cant insure live animals due to the weather so heres the tracking fedex 796606510211 she is to arrive by 10:30 am
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 20:51:59 -0800
> > > > > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: morphs
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ok thanks
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- Reptile Garage <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > she'll go out wed be there thursday i'll do by 10:30 am someone will have to be there to sign for her.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 20:38:31 -0800
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: morphs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my name is Frank Bailey , my address is 320 william freeman way, duncan sc, zip is 29334
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- Reptile Garage <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just checked got it I need your name and address for shipping
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 20:29:49 -0800
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: morphs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > money is sent now
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- Reptile Garage <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just picked up insulated packs at the local pet shop they save theirs for me when they get orders in. i use heat packs like you use for hunting and wrap a towel over the snake bag when packed it helps with keeping them warm a trick an old timer taught me, i have shipped many and never have a prob your south so its not like it 10 below like up north Yeah to be honest i was getting annoyed was about to tell ya forget it she is one of my favorites thats why i still have her really dont care if she sells or not. You wont get a female like her for 250 anywhere i know it. If I wasnt moving none of my reptiles would be for sale.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 23:13:59 -0500
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: morphs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my wife and i want her just i had a recent bad incident with shipping i got a almost dead male pastel because he wasnt packed good enough thats what is eatting at me u do use insolated boxes and heat packs correct if you do this is our last question we will send money thru paypal after reply and im sorry for so many questions i know we have probly pissed you off
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- Reptile Garage <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shes an 09 she eats weekly 2-5 prekilled mice
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 18:01:48 -0800
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: morphs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok my wife and i would like some back info on her if you dont mind what does she eat and has she gone off feed for periods of time or is she a constant feeder and when was she born thanks
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- Reptile Garage <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 45 for shipping
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 20:01:24 -0500
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: morphs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so how much total will she be shipped to my house my zip code is 29334
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- Reptile Garage <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 21:26:31 -0800
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: morphs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o and send me your paypal info ive got to get to bed got work early tommarrow i get off at 3 pm ill have my wife check my email thru the day now if you can ship tommarrow ill pay when i get up in the morning just let me know what day ur going to be able to ship
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- Reptile Garage <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this week depends on when you pay for her im heading to town twice this week
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 21:07:20 -0800
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: morphs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok well when could you ship her i live in south carolina
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- Reptile Garage <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no you gotta pay shipping
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 20:22:35 -0800
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: morphs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yeah i am too is she 250 shipped
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- Reptile Garage <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes i have them still got a guy wanting female spider

and here are pictures of the spider when i got home that evening
 

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Don't sweat it too much, Frank.....I think MOST people reading this won't have to look past the first couple lines of what Reptile Garage said before they decide to put them on their "Do not ever buy/sell/converse with" list.
 
thanks and i am sorry about the bad language this is what ive delt with the past few days i just dont want anyone else getting ripped off
 
ok my wife and i are starting a ball python breeding business
frankb said:
my wife was home she got her straight in the house on our rack system she then texted me at work saying hunny i think she is dead i told her to heat up some towels to cover her with but she was DOA for sure i had my wife email the seller the bad news when i got home from work i went straight into my snake room and picked her up out of the tube she was in

Frank

If you want a breeding business you have got to quarantine your new arrivals away from your collection. If you want your husbandry and business practices to be taken seriously, you have to give some thought to how you are taking care of the critters.
 
yeah she said that i would get het pastels from breedding my pastel male to a normal female and the dead snake was in a staralite tub on my heat rack just to clarify that the towels were to be put in the tub my wife checked on here every 5 to ten mins but she was doa
 
Umm...There are no such things as het pastels...pastels are co dom...you cant make hets = /
 
Frank: If you're going to be serious about this, do your research. Check multiple sources. Learn about genetics a little bit. There's no such thing as a 'het pastel' in the sense of carrying the gene but not displaying it....it's not a recessive gene.

So, if you pair a pastel and a normal, 50% of the babies should be normals and 50% should be pastels, but YMMV.
 
Willow beat me to it. Grr. Those heat packs are supposed to be from a pet store after they were used? They're not 40-hour (normal) heat packs for sure.....what are they? They seem like the things you put in your mittens, but I can't really tell.
 
thank you luclle for your not so kind words and yes i will be putting any future reptiles in a qurantine atmosphere from now on this dealing was a big eye opener on alot of things
 
ok read it again bro i know there arent she said that i would get het pastels not me i know that pastel is a codom i have 3 2 males and a female i know when you cross a spider to a pastel you get a bumblebee witch is a codom/dom i do know alittle about bp genetics and they were hot hands not 40 hour heat packs like they should have been
 
thank you luclle for your not so kind words and yes i will be putting any future reptiles in a qurantine atmosphere from now on this dealing was a big eye opener on alot of things

Easy Killer. I realize that your upset right now, but she's giving you some of the best advice you'll ever get. By putting a new snake in your snake room, you could contaminate your entire collection. Considering it was dead and (unless you took it to the vet for a necropsy) you have no clue what killed it, think about what you could have passed to your healthy snakes.
 
i understand that and im sorry if i offended anyone and yes you are right i have learned from this and in the future i will be putting all my new purchases in quarantine
 
i understand that and im sorry if i offended anyone and yes you are right i have learned from this and in the future i will be putting all my new purchases in quarantine

As long as you never stop learning, and use what you learn, you'll be alright.

Now, does Reptile Garage know about this thread?? I sure would like to hear their side of this and why they offer no live-arrival guarantee. I saw someone advertising a snake the other day saying that it was too cold to guarantee live-arrival. If it's too cold, do NOT ship the poor animal!!!
 
i havent talked to her since she sent me that last email cursing my wife and i out for everything we are worth she has another thread against her on here and when i read it that is what made my final decision to file with paypal
 
OMG she used hand warmers to heat up the box for shipping?! I don't ship in the winter or order animals after about thanksgiving if i can help it to avoid all of that. I don't want to have any DOAs either way, coming or going and even if i did i know better than to use hand warmers to ship anything in.

Even on state over i got dragons before thanksgiving in the south, i am in ga and it came from la, and it still had a 40 hour heat pack. She thought that would be enough, bloody hand warmers?

I really hope everything comes out well on your end with paypal. From the way she was acting I don't think she would be willing to give you a refund right out and the only wayt o get one is through paypal.

Sorry about Witch.
 
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