Bad Guy Jeff and Christina Wise (Wise Reptiles) Stole Money from Benefit Auctions for Maggie

[amercnwmn]

Unless there is an active warrant out for his arrest, he really has nothing to fear. Obviously law enfarcement falls far below anyone's expectations when it comes to this sort of thing.

That's a shame too, I can't really think of anyone else right now that deserves jail more than these 2.

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

Obviously law enfarcement falls far below anyone's expectations when it comes to this sort of thing.

I've said it so many times I'm out of breath.

 

[kdecke02]

One thing everyone needs to know is that these two idiots are EXTREMELY ignorant. Seriously, I've never met any people who have less common sense than these two. They WILL get caught, and I pray to god that I get to have a part in it happening.

Oh, btw. I received word last night that Jeff, allegedly, experienced some kind of trip and fall accident on the night of January 23rd, 2011 and has hit his head and broken his wrist. The really interesting thing about this is that now Jeff is claiming he can't remember anything from his past except for people's names. I smell a fabricated injury and a lawsuit ... ANOTHER thing Jeff likes to do. While we were together he attempted two lawsuits against a bowling alley and a tree removal company for "injuries".
No one has been able to confirm weather the fall actually took place or not though, and Jeff's wife is saying that they didn't take him to the hospital when it happened but that they called a doctor and this doctor allegedly told her to just keep an eye on him.
I'm sorry but I smell SERIOUS bullsh*t here.
I mean how the heck are they gonna get a referral to see a bone specialist for his broken wrist if he hasn't even SEEN a doctor?
Around the time his aunt passed away here in MI, Jeff got a life insurance policy, and the person that gave me the information of his alleged injury and I were joking that maybe Christina is feeling desperate and shoved him down the stairs. LOL. I know that's a terrible thing to joke about but it would serve him right.
One more thing ... Christina let slip where Jeff has been supposedly working, so I'll be giving that info to, I'm thinking, DAND.
That's all for now. I'll keep everyone posted as I find more out.

Kelcy

 

[chamgirl99471]

Kelcy...Welcome to Fauna.. and I'm truly sorry your intro to this site is through this situation

Any information is greatly appreciated and I'm glad there is someone on the outside of this community (now on the inside) that can give more background of what this couple is all about! Hopefully with the new information and with you here they will be brought to justice a little faster. Missing child support payments is definately not looked upon lightly so maybe this will bring them down! I wish you the best and am glad you found us.

 

[kdecke02]

I agree, chamgirl! So if they end up getting away with what they did to the people they ripped off here, we can at least know that he WILL be punished for SOMETHING.
I don't have a lawyer for the child support, and can't afford one, but I'm still going to check into what I can do on my own.

 

[kdecke02]

got some new news. It looks as though the accident Jeff has had IS legitimate, BUT it doesn't excuse anything he and his wife have done.
Due to some issues with plumbing in the 5th wheel they are living in, they have recently taken up residence with a woman that Jeff supposedly works with.
Several months ago Christina herself told me through facebook that Jeff was working for Perdue Farms...specifically mentioning that he works at the turkey farm and not the chicken farm. She didn't, of course, give me the exact location, but i would have to assume it is fairly near where they are living (according to their last known address) in Southern Indiana.
If I find anything else out or remember anything else, i"ll post it asap.

Kelcy

 

[SirenSanJose]

got some new news. It looks as though the accident Jeff has had IS legitimate, BUT it doesn't excuse anything he and his wife have done.
Kelcy

And, of course, he may have actually fallen and broken his wrist, but the complete amnesia he's claiming still sounds very fishy (again, ESPECIALLY if they haven't seen a doctor. You don't mess around with real, actual, head injuries!)

Anyhow, welcome to Fauna, and thank you for bringing this new information to us! I'm sorry you had to learn it the hard way by putting up with his crap for so long.

 

[kdecke02]

I spoke to Jeff's mother via facebook and she told me she spoke with him on the phone and that his speech is slurred. But I'm still suspicious and just want to know what the stinking doctors say.
Christina Wise has a facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=lf#!/profile.php?id=100000657186273) and has posted a picture of the injury but I have deleted and blocked her so I have not seen the picture.

 

[kdecke02]

...i just got information that he DID go to the hospital when it happened and that the previous info I got was inaccurate.
Not that it matters, but I just wanted to make sure I'm providing accurate information to the best of my knowledge.

 

[kyryah]

I can't believe he is actually DUMB enough to angle for amnesia... LMAO. As many times as I have fell and broken bones in my life, including the car accident that broke my back in three places, I should be catatonic!!!

On top of that, the crimes he committed have already happened, while he was whole and healthy. Just because you cannot remember committing an act, as does not mean that you aren't culpable, moron!!!

Slurred speech? I get that every Saturday night

 

[kdecke02]

LOL kyryah!
Yeah, I'm not going for it either. And now, because of my comments on facebook, Jeff's mother has told me I need to mind my "own damn business and stop spreading shit". I'm sorry that she's stressed out but her son is a grade A asshole. Period.
But look at it this way, maybe the next time he falls he'll fall into Christina and they'll both go over the edge of some very tall building.

 

[Melinda]

LOL kyryah!
Yeah, I'm not going for it either. And now, because of my comments on facebook, Jeff's mother has told me I need to mind my "own damn business and stop spreading shit". I'm sorry that she's stressed out but her son is a grade A asshole. Period.
But look at it this way, maybe the next time he falls he'll fall into Christina and they'll both go over the edge of some very tall building.

lol!!

Since when is the illegal activities of the father of your child and feeding your child NOT your business?!

Thank you for coming here and joining in the move to stop those two from scamming more victims.

Does your state have any kind of child support enforcement division you can get help from?

 

[WebSlave]

Cease with the profanity, please. It is not welcome here.

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

Way too much to slice up. My comments are in RED.

and I know for a FACT that he was scamming people left and right while he was on parole. I was there and witnessed it. If Jeff Wise was made to pay back all the money he's ripped off from people over the years it would most surely add up to thousands upon thousands of dollars.
Wouldn't being there and not doing something about it make you an accessory to the crime?

This is not the first time he has ripped people off under the guise of a seemingly legitimate business. After he got out of prison and was on parole, he began a landscaping company. Before the season was even over there was at least one person calling every week demanding to know why he hadn’t shown up to take care of their lawns in weeks. Most of these complainants had already paid in full for the entire summer.
Again, wouldn't that include you too? You were still with him, and knew of it, yet did nothing about it. You even helped cover for him by paying some of them back as you admit below.

To this day I do not know what Jeff Wise did with the monies he took. I do know, however, that I paid two of those people back over $280 out of my own tiny paycheck … just to make things right with these people.

He has even ripped off his very best friend. Though, I'm not sure if the best friend has found out about it yet.
So if his very best friend in all the world doesn't know he was ripped off by Jeff, and you are no longer with Jeff, why doesn't the BFF know by now? Why would you still condone that?

His wife is no better. She is a compulsive liar and has been confronted many, MANY times about the whoppers she tells. I filed a complaint with CPS (child protective services) against Christina when my son was 12 because, while my son was visiting his father, Christina gave my son alcohol. my 12 year old son!
And even though you called CPS on her, she still talks to you and confides with you about her life?

I only found out about the scams they were pulling last night (Sunday, January 23 2001) but last week Christina Wise told me that Jeff has been abusing her and the children for some time and has threatened to have Christina killed if she leaves.
Here's where I get confused. You been talking with Christina, who is still with Jeff, because she's been confiding in you about the abuse. Yet later on you say

I have to be honest, I joined here because i found the info when I googled Jeff to try and find his whereabouts so I could help get my son the past 6 years of child support that Jeff has not paid.

Why would one try googling Jeff, when he's just a phone call away? BTW, what number did she call from? Can you share that info? Personally, I find it odd that you show up for this particular thread after admitting you are in contact with the Wises, and offering up all sorts of info if people will just email you.

I even feel partially to blame
Yeah, I got that feeling too. When one condones anothers illegal activities, especially when a child is involved, then they also share in the blame.

I have MUCH info to provide about his criminal background as well as a possible current address.
If anyone has any questions please feel free to contact me at the above email address. I have NO problem spilling my guts to help these families get some justice!!!
If you can get this info to people via email, care to share it right here? It's the same process pretty much, and it will just end up here anyway.

Just saying, it don't smell right.

 

[kyryah]

As far as googling for information, vs. just being a phone call away -

My ex-husband is currently over 2 years in arrears on child support. I have a phone number for him, and can certainly call him, but I do not know his address and there is no way he would give it to me. I too have used google to try to pin-point his where-abouts, because I am unable to get a show-cause hearing without an address. Without the hearing, I can't get a lien on his taxes or income. I don't know how the laws vary from county to county, but considering I am in Michigan also, it stands to reason that Kelcy has the same problems I do.

I can't say anything on the legitimacy of the rest of the post, but I can say that the part about googling information does not sit wrong with me.

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

But she stated that she DOES have an address. She just doesn't know if they're still there.

 

[DAND]

Let's keep this thread on track (about jeff and christina) and not start attacking Kelcy. I will be in contact with her (I sent you an e-mail the other day and will send another to make sure you get it - check your spam just in case) and will determine if what "doesn't smell right" isn't just the remnants of the wise's or if it is a new odor.

 

[kdecke02]

crotalusadamanteus,
please let me clear up the questions and concerns you obviously have about my character. Every time I found out about his activities I DID call the authorities. I would do it anonymously because of his abusive nature. The police came to our home several times and because of Jeff's ability to pull off a good show, no one ever pressed charges against him ...as long as they were paid back, which I did because I didn't want my son to lose his father ... again. Bad choice on my part, of course. That's because hindsight is 20/20. I have even called the FBI on Jeff because of some of his activities, yet no one ever came to investigate or take a report. I never condoned anything he did by non-action.
As for Jeff's BFF, he's a scam artist too ... though of HIS activities I have no proof. So I have no real sympathy for him. I was merely pointing that out as another facet of Jeff's character.
As for Christina's staying in contact with me even though I called CPS on her ... this was about 4 years ago and things have since cooled down. Christina and I are by NO means close, but we have all stayed in touch because of all the children involved. we didn't communicate often. Yet there are two times when she has come to me asking me questions about Jeff's abuse towards my son and I and I did speak to her on those issues. Also, people need to understand that Christina is one of those people who actively seeks drama. When she can't get it from one source she'll go to someone else who WILL listen. for the past few weeks, off and on, this person was me. I'll be perfectly honest ... and please make NO mistake when I tell you that I despise these two and have been cordial to them in the hopes that they would slip up. they move so often and change their numbers so often that I never know where they are at or how to contact them, so facebook was a vehicle for continuous contact. So, i hope you understand, they've never been "just a phone call away". I don't seek communication with them because I despise them and always try to get info about Jeff's whereabouts via other means ... thus my google search. Which eventually lead me to a conversation with a family member. Jeff's mother is non-cooperative when it comes to her precious son. The recent information I have been getting and sharing with you all is coming from a very close relative of his who has recently cut them out of their life and wants to help but doesn't want to be found out for fear of repercussions within the family.
And lastly, the reason I haven't shared his last known address right here is ONLY because they have children in their home and, as much as they disgust me with he things they've been up to, I wouldn't want someone randomly taking that info and deciding to be a vigilante ... which, personally, I myself would be tempted to do if I were that type of person.
I 100% do not blame you for being suspicious, and I would encourage you to do so! All you have is my word that these things are true, yet people give their words yet betray trusts every day. I certainly don't fault you for it. I've been dealing with this family for almost 20 years and sometimes I've been very intimidated by them and other times I've been outspoken. But I know I'm certainly no saint. But wrong is wrong and I've ALWAYS tried to do my best.
Jeff and Christina are just really ignorant, terrible people ... and now that I have the means to help someone else that they have hurt, it inspires me even more.
I hope that clears up at least some of your suspicions. If not, then I'm sorry for that.

 

[kdecke02]

and as a side note to webslave ... I apologize for the profanity. The last thing I want to do do is tick people off.

 

[Kristi23]

crotalusadamanteus,
please let me clear up the questions and concerns you obviously have about my character. Every time I found out about his activities I DID call the authorities. I would do it anonymously because of his abusive nature. The police came to our home several times and because of Jeff's ability to pull off a good show, no one ever pressed charges against him ...as long as they were paid back, which I did because I didn't want my son to lose his father ... again. Bad choice on my part, of course. That's because hindsight is 20/20. I have even called the FBI on Jeff because of some of his activities, yet no one ever came to investigate or take a report. I never condoned anything he did by non-action.
As for Jeff's BFF, he's a scam artist too ... though of HIS activities I have no proof. So I have no real sympathy for him. I was merely pointing that out as another facet of Jeff's character.
As for Christina's staying in contact with me even though I called CPS on her ... this was about 4 years ago and things have since cooled down. Christina and I are by NO means close, but we have all stayed in touch because of all the children involved. we didn't communicate often. Yet there are two times when she has come to me asking me questions about Jeff's abuse towards my son and I and I did speak to her on those issues. Also, people need to understand that Christina is one of those people who actively seeks drama. When she can't get it from one source she'll go to someone else who WILL listen. for the past few weeks, off and on, this person was me. I'll be perfectly honest ... and please make NO mistake when I tell you that I despise these two and have been cordial to them in the hopes that they would slip up. they move so often and change their numbers so often that I never know where they are at or how to contact them, so facebook was a vehicle for continuous contact. So, i hope you understand, they've never been "just a phone call away". I don't seek communication with them because I despise them and always try to get info about Jeff's whereabouts via other means ... thus my google search. Which eventually lead me to a conversation with a family member. Jeff's mother is non-cooperative when it comes to her precious son. The recent information I have been getting and sharing with you all is coming from a very close relative of his who has recently cut them out of their life and wants to help but doesn't want to be found out for fear of repercussions within the family.
And lastly, the reason I haven't shared his last known address right here is ONLY because they have children in their home and, as much as they disgust me with he things they've been up to, I wouldn't want someone randomly taking that info and deciding to be a vigilante ... which, personally, I myself would be tempted to do if I were that type of person.
I 100% do not blame you for being suspicious, and I would encourage you to do so! All you have is my word that these things are true, yet people give their words yet betray trusts every day. I certainly don't fault you for it. I've been dealing with this family for almost 20 years and sometimes I've been very intimidated by them and other times I've been outspoken. But I know I'm certainly no saint. But wrong is wrong and I've ALWAYS tried to do my best.
Jeff and Christina are just really ignorant, terrible people ... and now that I have the means to help someone else that they have hurt, it inspires me even more.
I hope that clears up at least some of your suspicions. If not, then I'm sorry for that.

I definitely believe this. I was with somebody similar for almost 5 years. We have a child together. Afterwards, I tried to be extra nice to him. He felt that since I was nice, he could tell me things that could get him in trouble. I used everything I could to find out where he was living, but that changed constantly. The child support agency here will not give out an address. Just the current work info. I also called the police multiple times and nothing ever happened. It's unfortunate, but it's just how it is. I knew of a lot of crimes he commited against me, my daughter, and others. He was always able to sweettalk and cry his way out of things.