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Bad Guy Dean Stemple Strictly Exotics BAD GUY!

Matt2979 said:
I'll agree with a lot of what you just said, but not the part about this being Chris' fault. While he took a risk by doing business this way, this was in no way, shape or form his fault! :NoNo:
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David Scarboro said:
You are going to have to explain number 3 to me, sounds pretty stupid. Maybe you should keep on lurking...
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Maybe it's just me, but the inherent risks associated with transactions such as an UNSECURED transfer of goods without payment...you're right, I'm dumb for thinking that the risk would fall on the OP...what was I thinking???

While I sympathize for the OP, I feel, in all honesty (which he has also admitted) that this transaction was a risk he was willing to take, and we all see what the outcome is. Not sure I can explain it any better than that.

I'll also reiterate that I hope Dean makes good on his promise to pay.
 
oo3menace said:
Maybe it's just me, but the inherent risks associated with transactions such as an UNSECURED transfer of goods without payment...you're right, I'm dumb for thinking that the risk would fall on the OP...what was I thinking???

While I sympathize for the OP, I feel, in all honesty (which he has also admitted) that this transaction was a risk he was willing to take, and we all see what the outcome is. Not sure I can explain it any better than that.

I'll also reiterate that I hope Dean makes good on his promise to pay.
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Never said you were "dumb" for making your statement, but that I completely disagree. It's not at all uncommon to send animal first when you're selling them to a wholesaler (basically the same as they were sold for wholesale amounts to someone that is going to resell them at retail in a store). And, having personally done a couple of transactions with Dean, I can't say that I would not have gone the same route.
 
oo3menace said:
3) It's the OP's fault for doing this kind of transaction which inherently carries certain risks (including not being made whole). Jon R.
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It is Mr. Stemple's fault and the shame is his. To try and deflect it in ANY other direction is wrong. Should the OP not have given him the snakes, in hindsight, sure. Does that make this his fault?
 
I am still holding out HOPE that Chris posts that Dean has started making payments. It isn't looking good though which really bums me out. I am sorry Chris that your trust has been mis-placed.
 
3) It's the OP's fault for doing this kind of transaction which inherently carries certain risks (including not being made whole).
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This is just absolute nonsense. According to this logic, I can go around and buy anything I want on credit, fail to pay for it and it would be the sellers fault. I mean if that's the case, I should be a very rich man in no time. That's like buying a house, defaulting on the payments and saying well sorry bank, it's your fault for not making me pay it all up front.

That's all this is. Chris sold the snakes to Dean on credit. Dean failed to make the payments. It's noones fault except for Dean's, to try and say otherwise is ridiculous.
 
Chris admittedly sent these snakes prior to payment, and he admitted that he was partially responsible for the outcome. He knows how things work, and did not come here for sympathy, but, rather, a resolution and to warn others.
 
Maybe I'm just the kind of guy that says, "in god we trust, all others pay cash".

It benefitted Chris to move the snakes out prior to collecting the funds, this was a risk he admittedly accepted upon entering into the agreement. IT'S CHRIS' RISK. That's all I'm saying. And that being said, I DO AGREE THAT DEAN OWES THE MONEY. Can't make it any more clear than that. And to that end, hindsight is always 20/20. IF Chris would have never sent the snakes, this thread wouldn't exist.

I am in no way implying that Dean should be relieved of this debt (unless the snakes are sent back to Chris)...I'm saying Chris knowingly entered into a risky transaction and therein lies his responsibility to collect the funds.
 
oo3menace said:
Maybe I'm just the kind of guy that says, "in god we trust, all others pay cash".

It benefitted Chris to move the snakes out prior to collecting the funds, this was a risk he admittedly accepted upon entering into the agreement. IT'S CHRIS' RISK. That's all I'm saying. And that being said, I DO AGREE THAT DEAN OWES THE MONEY. Can't make it any more clear than that. And to that end, hindsight is always 20/20. IF Chris would have never sent the snakes, this thread wouldn't exist.

I am in no way implying that Dean should be relieved of this debt (unless the snakes are sent back to Chris)...I'm saying Chris knowingly entered into a risky transaction and therein lies his responsibility to collect the funds.
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Every transaction that's done online has some risk. Have you ever bought anything online? Did you pay first? It's really no different. Each party has something that they're sending to the other party. 1 party has to send their part first. Then the other party sends their part. It doesn't matter if it's money, or animals. 1 person has to send their side first. If you send someone money for an animal and they don't send you the animal, what would you think of that? Going by your outlook, it's partially your fault for entering into such a risky transaction. If I had bought a snake from Dean, paid in full for it, and he never sent it, would you be telling me that it's my fault? What's the difference? I sent my half and he didn't send his.
 
oo3menace said:
Maybe I'm just the kind of guy that says, "in god we trust, all others pay cash".

It benefitted Chris to move the snakes out prior to collecting the funds, this was a risk he admittedly accepted upon entering into the agreement. IT'S CHRIS' RISK. That's all I'm saying. And that being said, I DO AGREE THAT DEAN OWES THE MONEY. Can't make it any more clear than that. And to that end, hindsight is always 20/20. IF Chris would have never sent the snakes, this thread wouldn't exist.I am in no way implying that Dean should be relieved of this debt (unless the snakes are sent back to Chris)...I'm saying Chris knowingly entered into a risky transaction and therein lies his responsibility to collect the funds.
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this train of thought really makes no sense. If you want to get technical, if chris didn't breed last season and produce the animals this thread wouldn't exist either.
 
cahrens said:
Every transaction that's done online has some risk. Have you ever bought anything online? Did you pay first? It's really no different. Each party has something that they're sending to the other party. 1 party has to send their part first. Then the other party sends their part. It doesn't matter if it's money, or animals. 1 person has to send their side first. If you send someone money for an animal and they don't send you the animal, what would you think of that? Going by your outlook, it's partially your fault for entering into such a risky transaction. If I had bought a snake from Dean, paid in full for it, and he never sent it, would you be telling me that it's my fault? What's the difference? I sent my half and he didn't send his.
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:iagree:
 
cahrens said:
Every transaction that's done online has some risk. Have you ever bought anything online? Did you pay first? It's really no different. Each party has something that they're sending to the other party. 1 party has to send their part first. Then the other party sends their part. It doesn't matter if it's money, or animals. 1 person has to send their side first. If you send someone money for an animal and they don't send you the animal, what would you think of that? Going by your outlook, it's partially your fault for entering into such a risky transaction. If I had bought a snake from Dean, paid in full for it, and he never sent it, would you be telling me that it's my fault? What's the difference? I sent my half and he didn't send his.
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C'mon, really? There's more to this transaction than a simple purchase...you knowingly sent the snakes to Dean (because you were in a bind to move them) knowing full well he didn't have the funds at the moment to pay for them. You then offered him credit terms for the purchase which he agreed to. Dean owes you the money, no doubt, but it's your mistake and one I bet you'll never make again.

I won't even get into other things like paypal/google checkout for buyer/seller protections either. That would just complicate matters even more...
 
oo3menace said:
C'mon, really? There's more to this transaction than a simple purchase...you knowingly sent the snakes to Dean (because you were in a bind to move them) knowing full well he didn't have the funds at the moment to pay for them. You then offered him credit terms for the purchase which he agreed to. Dean owes you the money, no doubt, but it's your mistake and one I bet you'll never make again.

I won't even get into other things like paypal/google checkout for buyer/seller protections either. That would just complicate matters even more...
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I wasn't in a bind to move them. I just didn't WANT to move stuff I wasn't keeping. I have room for them here and could even have kept them at my other house. There was no bind.

You didn't answer my question. Have you ever bought anything online? Did you send your half before the other person sent their half?

Let me put it like this. I've had people pay me on stuff that I couldn't ship out. They knew full well that I was unable to send out my half of the deal for several months due to weather constraints. So since they knew that I wasn't able to fulfill my end of the deal at the time being, were they foolish for sending me their half? Even though we had a time frame worked out? If I had ripped them off, would it have been their fault or mine? You keep saying "Dean owes the money". Yeah, we've established that. Your next statement always points a finger at me though. Remember, if nobody ever sent their half first, there would be no online transactions at all.
 
ShiffyAME said:
this train of thought really makes no sense. If you want to get technical, if chris didn't breed last season and produce the animals this thread wouldn't exist either.
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If you want to get technical; if Al Gore hadn't invented the internet this thread wouldn't exist either....:rofl:
 
cahrens said:
I wasn't in a bind to move them. I just didn't WANT to move stuff I wasn't keeping. I have room for them here and could even have kept them at my other house. There was no bind.

You didn't answer my question. Have you ever bought anything online? Did you send your half before the other person sent their half?

Let me put it like this. I've had people pay me on stuff that I couldn't ship out. They knew full well that I was unable to send out my half of the deal for several months due to weather constraints. So since they knew that I wasn't able to fulfill my end of the deal at the time being, were they foolish for sending me their half? Even though we had a time frame worked out? If I had ripped them off, would it have been their fault or mine? You keep saying "Dean owes the money". Yeah, we've established that. Your next statement always points a finger at me though. Remember, if nobody ever sent their half first, there would be no online transactions at all.
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Not sure why you're getting defensive...you made a mistake, sh*t happens, move on.

From your email exchange with Dean, you seemed eager to move them. So I inferred from that there was a certain urgency (whether a want or a need) that you wanted/needed to move them. Either way, there was a direct benefit to you. Less mouths, less heating, less hassle. Benefit.

Yes I have made online purchases, yes I sent money first, but, did I send cash? Did I use paypal/google/third party provider? Am I protected to a certain extent?

You sent $4k worth of goods knowing your buyer didn't have the means at that time...that's a risk you were willing to take and now you're dealing with the consequences. Will you ever do that again? Let's hope not...because the hardest lessons are the ones learned through personal experience.
 
David Scarboro said:
oo3menace said:
Not sure why you're getting defensive...
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Really? He is out 4k and comes here in the hopes of collecting and also to warn everyone. You say it's his fault. Go figure...
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And I very much hope he is made whole on the transaction, but suffice it to say, he made a mistake. It's my opinion on the matter and I'm not trying to convince or persuade anyone to think like I do. I'm just giving perspective from a different side of things, while maintaing some objectivity.
 
It's my opinion on the matter and I'm not trying to convince or persuade anyone to think like I do.
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Good. Since you've expressed your opinion repeatedly. Since you're not trying to convince or persuade anyone to change their own opinions, how about giving it a rest.

Chris isn't stupid, you aren't stupid ... no one here (except the moron who was banned) is stupid. We get it. 'Nuff already. And thank you.
 
oo3menace said:
And I very much hope he is made whole on the transaction, but suffice it to say, he made a mistake. It's my opinion on the matter and I'm not trying to convince or persuade anyone to think like I do. I'm just giving perspective from a different side of things, while maintaing some objectivity.
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I am sure that Chris would agree that he made a mistake. As I said earlier, hindsight makes that easy. Are you backing off of the "it's his fault" statement?
 
LauraB said:
Good. Since you've expressed your opinion repeatedly. Since you're not trying to convince or persuade anyone to change their own opinions, how about giving it a rest.

Chris isn't stupid, you aren't stupid ... no one here (except the moron who was banned) is stupid. We get it. 'Nuff already. And thank you.
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:iagree: (You beat me to it.)
 
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