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Bad Guy hboyles66(Hank Boyles & Melissa Bayles) Ripoff

Suncoast Herpetological said:
Probably the worst course of action you could take at the moment Hank. A prompt refund would have left the OP as the impatient 5 year old in this transaction and you as the bigger man. This new petty attitude will hurt you in the eyes of everyone who defended your side of this.
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:iagree: 10000%, I'm with John on this one. In my opinion you started out strong with a good case against him just being impatient and then you post that you are withholding the refund because your feelings were hurt by this thread?????:ack2:

Paypal WILL find in his behalf, you didn't send the package (snake) and that's all they care about. Just refund him his money and be done with this nonsense! The longer you withhold his money the more it looks like you are scamming him out of it! Why risk your reputation just to be spiteful?

On a related note to the OP, payment does not = immediate shipping! I have waiting to ship and waited to get a shipment for over a month because of weather. To DEMAND shipping in spite of potential weather concerns/ lack of someone being there concerns is just ludicrous!
 
At this point, posts are deteriorating and I would not engage in a transaction with either side.
 
hboyles66 said:
I am being somewhat of a pain because I feel this thread was started without good reason considering he started the claim 2 days after payment. I am not reptile buisness nor do I claim to be but I do expect to be treated with respect. This will end when it ends. Call me what you want but I stated everything correctly. It is not hard to get away for a minute and hop on the internet is is all over the world ya know. I agree I should have contacted paypal sooner and 2 wrongs don't make a right but I am waiting to see what paypal descision is and then I will agree with their decision. Either way it should end in Elron favor but on my terms now. Sorry if this makes people made but I a little ticked at the way this situation turned out. I have every right to be.
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Thank you, you just proved us right. That was your plan all along. Wait until PayPal solves this. Without the the sellers response to PayPal's claim;in 10 days PayPal will have to refund our money at their insurances expense Which =fraud on your part.Which means you are a crook!!

2 day's really? 4 day's because you refused to answer Elronza email's from gmail and fauna both directly to your account's.
 
hboyles66 said:
I am being somewhat of a pain because I feel this thread was started without good reason considering he started the claim 2 days after payment. I am not reptile buisness nor do I claim to be but I do expect to be treated with respect. This will end when it ends. Call me what you want but I stated everything correctly. It is not hard to get away for a minute and hop on the internet is is all over the world ya know. I agree I should have contacted paypal sooner and 2 wrongs don't make a right but I am waiting to see what paypal descision is and then I will agree with their decision. Either way it should end in Elron favor but on my terms now. Sorry if this makes people made but I a little ticked at the way this situation turned out. I have every right to be.
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Congratulations - you just went from being an inexperienced shipper dealing with an impatient buyer to a spiteful person that doesn't give two :censored: about customer service.

IAMGOD said:
Thank you, you just proved us right. That was your plan all along. Wait until PayPal solves this. Without the the sellers response to PayPal's claim;in 10 days PayPal will have to refund our money at their insurances expense Which =fraud on your part.Which means you are a crook!! :iagree:
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Not quite.
There is no evidence that this was his plan all along...at least not yet. If it was - the money will not be there when PayPal tries to reclaim it. Your refund doesn't come from their insurance, it comes out of his account. If it isn't there, you will be told that they found in your favor; but the funds are not available to collect. At that point, unless you paid with your credit card & can do a chargeback, you are SOL.
I've had sellers not ship when promised I know how it feels. I've also had one of those sellers abruptly cease communication at that point - which doesn't seem to have happened here - so I also understand the frustration and anxiety that accompanies not knowing whether you are going to get that money back. If the seller is choosing this course, there isn't much you can do about it but wait - and report back if PayPal is unable to process the refund. His choice in this matter has already changed many opinions about him.
 
Devon Hodgins You are a fool!! Hank never had a case!! Newbie isn't our friend at all.And we were right all along regardless of what you and the other hank worshipers think,but of course had any of you read our posts you'd have been known Hank Boyles was a Crook!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Devon Hodgins said:
Newbie I am sorry but the fact is your comment was irrelevant.

The reason he didnt ship was because your FRIEND never did confirm shipment.

No responsible seller will go by the paypal address alone.They always check before they ship.

I personally never ship a snake until they email it to me then I call to repeat the shipping address just to verify.The morning I ship the snake out I call to make sure plans havent been changed before the snake is even packaged.

YOu attacking April was way off base.She was making a logical statement that you and your FRIENDS can seem to comprehend.

The statement that she needs to tell her friend to stop back peddling is once again irrelevant. April has no connections with April.She was just stating common sense.

I think you should take your own advice and read it very slowly.
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you assume I know him and he is my friend because I'm sticking up for him. understand one thing, I stick up for anyone who has been done wrong. you might want to try it some day. that whole thing of he didn't ship because the address wasn't confirmed is a crock of xxxx. devon you need to realize your irrelevant. poof be gone.
 
hhmoore said:
Congratulations - you just went from being an inexperienced shipper dealing with an impatient buyer to a spiteful person that doesn't give two :censored: about customer service.


Not quite.
There is no evidence that this was his plan all along...at least not yet. If it was - the money will not be there when PayPal tries to reclaim it. Your refund doesn't come from their insurance, it comes out of his account. If it isn't there, you will be told that they found in your favor; but the funds are not available to collect. At that point, unless you paid with your credit card & can do a chargeback, you are SOL.
I've had sellers not ship when promised I know how it feels. I've also had one of those sellers abruptly cease communication at that point - which doesn't seem to have happened here - so I also understand the frustration and anxiety that accompanies not knowing whether you are going to get that money back. If the seller is choosing this course, there isn't much you can do about it but wait - and report back if PayPal is unable to process the refund. His choice in this matter has already changed many opinions about him.
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Impatient buyer no way!! When you don't hear from someone for 4 days after they received your funds,and sent you some fraudulent shipping that doesn't list a shipper or a tracking #.You would be worried as well.and while were at it where is his proof that he booked shipping??Oh yeah that's right their isn't any.And personally I would love to know what it is you have against my man!!:shrug01:
 
I've got nothing against Elronza - don't know him, never interacted with him (other than issuing a few infractions last year because he couldn't seem to function within the rules of the site).
 
I am being somewhat of a pain because I feel this thread was started without good reason considering he started the claim 2 days after payment. I am not reptile buisness nor do I claim to be but I do expect to be treated with respect. This will end when it ends ...

I am waiting to see what paypal descision is and then I will agree with their decision. Either way it should end in Elron favor but on my terms now.
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Everyone wishes to be treated with respect. The fact is, it just isn't reality sometimes. You face it, you deal with it, you don't fall to the same low plateau and you move on. That's life.

You have the buyer's money and you have the snake the buyer paid for. He is immediately due either a full refund or the snake. Who is the disrepectful, arrogant one now?
 
I may not have chosen the right ethical path for this situation but I chose the path that I felt was right for me. Some with completley disagree with and I am prepared to deal with that. I am sorry this went this route.
 
hboyles66 said:
I may not have chosen the right ethical path for this situation but I chose the path that I felt was right for me. Some with completley disagree with and I am prepared to deal with that. I am sorry this went this route.
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Well...enjoy that choice Hank. It comes with a few missing toes from shooting yourself in the foot. :shootfoot


I am pretty comfortable in saying you made a LOT of "do not deal with" lists this evening. :thumbsup:
 
Incidentally, still waiting to see that email where you requested shipping confirmation for last Monday. You seem to be going out of your way to ignore this simple repeated request. :shrug01:
 
I may not have chosen the right ethical path for this situation
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Unfortunately, you're correct. When one fully acknowledges one is not taking the correct ethical path, then it leaves the rest wondering what other ethical paths that person will ignore.

Also unfortunately, not taking the ethical path often ends up costing more - not just in terms of dollars - but in terms of credibility, respect and honor. Good luck with that.
 
Suncoast Herpetological said:
Well...enjoy that choice Hank. It comes with a few missing toes from shooting yourself in the foot. :shootfoot


I am pretty comfortable in saying you made a LOT of "do not deal with" lists this evening. :thumbsup:
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LauraB said:
Unfortunately, you're correct. When one fully acknowledges one is not taking the correct ethical path, then it leaves the rest wondering what other ethical paths that person will ignore.

Also unfortunately, not taking the ethical path often ends up costing more - not just in terms of dollars - but in terms of credibility, respect and honor. Good luck with that.
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:iagree:

YEAH, I think that the :shootfoot smile was MADE for the EXACT type of situation. Man this just keeps getting better and better!
 
Suncoast Herpetological said:
Probably the worst course of action you could take at the moment Hank. A prompt refund would have left the OP as the impatient 5 year old in this transaction and you as the bigger man. This new petty attitude will hurt you in the eyes of everyone who defended your side of this.


By the way...you have stated several times that you contacted the buyer requesting confirmation of the Monday shipping date. I ran through everything posted and have not seen that message. If you could post it...that particular point could be put to rest
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scaledverts said:
:iagree: 10000%, I'm with John on this one. In my opinion you started out strong with a good case against him just being impatient and then you post that you are withholding the refund because your feelings were hurt by this thread?????:ack2:

Paypal WILL find in his behalf, you didn't send the package (snake) and that's all they care about. Just refund him his money and be done with this nonsense! The longer you withhold his money the more it looks like you are scamming him out of it! Why risk your reputation just to be spiteful?

On a related note to the OP, payment does not = immediate shipping! I have waiting to ship and waited to get a shipment for over a month because of weather. To DEMAND shipping in spite of potential weather concerns/ lack of someone being there concerns is just ludicrous!
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lucille said:
At this point, posts are deteriorating and I would not engage in a transaction with either side.
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:iagree:

Though my opinion of the buyer(s) has not changed, at this point, the seller's refusal to put this to rest and instead prolong this issue have ruined his reputation with me as well. As I said in an earlier post, how the seller handled the situation from that point would make or break their reputation. The seller unfortunately chose to break it. :shrug01:

I know I personally won't ever be dealing with any of them. I have no desire to have professional dealings with people who enjoy spiteful drama.
 
And all I have to say is :rofl: to the fact that somehow living in Florida and pointing out that the OP has not fully proved their case and behaved extrordinarily unprofessionally makes me a "racist good ole boy." :rolleyes: That's all I'm going to say about that ridiculous can of worms.
 
lauraleellbp said:
And all I have to say is :rofl: to the fact that somehow living in Florida and pointing out that the OP has not fully proved their case and behaved extrordinarily unprofessionally makes me a "racist good ole boy." :rolleyes: That's all I'm going to say about that ridiculous can of worms.
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Hey special it was a sarcastic statement,but of course I have to ask can you read? And what makes you think we'd ever want to deal with you? Better yet who are you? My man did this thread to try and protect people not to cause war.Mr. Boyles is a crook plain and simple Sir!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:shrug01:
 
Out of all the threads I have seen on here this one takes the cake! I think both parties are in the wrong in numerous areas. Wish the best to both of them because they are not painted in a good light here with what all was shown and said!


Trevor Rizzuto
 
Once again can any of you understand what you read?? All we did was warn everyone that Mr. Boyles has no intent of doing good.
 
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