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I wanna know about the Jungle.

Thought I would come in here and look around to see what a lot of the fellow boa owners were talking about and saw this thread.
The snakes in the last couple of pages look a lot like Eve.
Shes got the same type of head markings n whatnot, but the only thing is her coloring is like, gray and dark grey. Kind of anery in a way.

Do jungle boas have to have the tan look about them to be a jungle?
Im really new to this so everything interests me.
 
I don't have anything higher the HS Biology, but how I described it, is how it was described to me yrs back, by someone who actually wrote a book on the subject.

I'll ask a couple people who I know work in genetics for a living, and see if maybe my memory is remembering wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm remembering right. I'll let you know via PM what I find out.

JCCS said:
Rick, I took a couple years of upper level biology. You're close, but not dead on. Simple dominant is where there is no true distinguishable difference between the heterozygous and homozygous forms of the gene, as in hypo. An incomplete dominant gene has the phenotypically evident difference between the heterozygous and homozygous forms, as in jungles, motleys, and aztecs.

Co-dominant is where two dominant morphs "co-exist", creating a different phenotype, as in a hypo jungle or any other combination.

Chris
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PS, for you guys that are good at picking Jungles, what do you think of this guy?

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where did you get 'eve'? What were her parents? the only way it's a jungle is if one of the parents is a jungle. Boas are quite variable. Not trying to rain on your parade, but well.. there you go.

the dashes in the head spear is quite common.

Neither of my jungles have the 'hole in the head' marking, here are some examples showing what I am talking about (links to pics since I don't own the pics)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3500/3718645904_e96401a718.jpg

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1601/1802530/7289221/396587832.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4VXrkZe4WmU/TUAk-eQoc4I/AAAAAAAAMr4/CrEwds8Zbc8/s1600/Jungle+boa.jpg

In supers, the back of the circle and head spear is missing a lot of the times, causing almost an arrow effect:

http://allboas.com/pictures/id282.425.16.jpg

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=148057&stc=1&d=1275530879



http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/zz258/jgonzalez305/IMG_2988.jpg

http://exoticsbynature.com/ksf/11-29-06superjungle1.jpg
 
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Rick - I'd say it's a possible jungle, especially based on the red tint in the eyes but I am assuming one of the parents is a jungle and you aren't trying to pull a fast one on me hahaha
 
Rick, sounds good, I'm not above learning. I'd bet money your salmon is a jungle.

Chris
 
AbsoluteApril said:
where did you get 'eve'? What were her parents? the only way it's a jungle is if one of the parents is a jungle.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3500/3718645904_e96401a718.jpg
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1601/1802530/7289221/396587832.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4VXrkZe4WmU/TUAk-eQoc4I/AAAAAAAAMr4/CrEwds8Zbc8/s1600/Jungle+boa.jpg
In supers, the back of the circle and head spear is missing a lot of the times, causing almost an arrow effect:
http://allboas.com/pictures/id282.425.16.jpg
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=148057&stc=1&d=1275530879
http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/zz258/jgonzalez305/IMG_2988.jpg
http://exoticsbynature.com/ksf/11-29-06superjungle1.jpg
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I dont rightly remember what her parents were, but I still have the lady's cell phone number, so Ill text her and reply here what the parents were.
Maybe shes a partial jungle I dont know. Looking back on some of her earlier pictures we took of her that showed her full body, some of these snakes here look like her. Shes even got the spot on her head in the patterning.
The only thing that gets me is her coloring. If youd like me to post some I shall do so.

I do know that IF we ever bred her to another snake, she might throw albinos and "clowns" whatever that means (i tried to search clown red tailed boas and got nothing so im not sure if she was talking out her rear end or not *shrug*).
Thats really the only thing that I remember about our conversation with the lady who sold her to us.
Although I wish I knew her name. She was a very nice person to meet and I want everyone to know that if they do business with her, that its good good good, i just dont have her name! lol
 
Riyeko said:
I dont rightly remember what her parents were, but I still have the lady's cell phone number, so Ill text her and reply here what the parents were.
Maybe shes a partial jungle I dont know. Looking back on some of her earlier pictures we took of her that showed her full body, some of these snakes here look like her. Shes even got the spot on her head in the patterning.
The only thing that gets me is her coloring. If youd like me to post some I shall do so.

I do know that IF we ever bred her to another snake, she might throw albinos and "clowns" whatever that means (i tried to search clown red tailed boas and got nothing so im not sure if she was talking out her rear end or not *shrug*).
Thats really the only thing that I remember about our conversation with the lady who sold her to us.
Although I wish I knew her name. She was a very nice person to meet and I want everyone to know that if they do business with her, that its good good good, i just dont have her name! lol
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Albino is a recessive gene, your boa would have to be het for albino and also have to be bred to an albino gene carrier to produce albinos. Clowns are a ball python morph and there is no "clown boa," I would say affirmative on the rear end talking on that one... And as stated before, a jungle must come from jungle parents, there is no partial jungle, its either jungle or not. Post some pics though and I'm sure you'll get some input on what your boa is.
 
So I got the text back n everything.

Mother was a Motley and the dad was 66% positive for Albino.
So shes not a jungle, she just has good motley coloring.
Anyway, heres some pictures.
Shes beautiful and she gets a lot of attention.. shes spoiled!

Back view..
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Head view...
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Full Body View..
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The thing that confused me i think was the markings on her head and the speckles.
Oh well my bad. :rolleyes:
 
Well you seem to have a great looking normal that is slightly possible het albino. You never know though, she could very well prove out for you!
 
I hope so too thanks.
We were thinking of waiting 3 1/2 years before we even tried to pair her with another boa, im hoping thats long enough.
Unless we just dont find the right male. XD
 
That is a pretty good estimate, breeding boas takes a lot of patience. It is best to wait until females are around 4 to start trying to pair them. I would like to see an accurate statistic on how many people who buy babies actually raise and produce with those babies... Stick with it, and no matter what the litter is worth, it'll all be worth it in the long run.
 
bear said:
That is a pretty good estimate, breeding boas takes a lot of patience. It is best to wait until females are around 4 to start trying to pair them. I would like to see an accurate statistic on how many people who buy babies actually raise and produce with those babies... Stick with it, and no matter what the litter is worth, it'll all be worth it in the long run.
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Thats what we were thinking.
The lady we bought her from said to wait three, but.. eh I like to make sure theyre good and grown up.
*insert weird thought about teen pregnancy*

Anywho, I get really attached to my animals, and I talk to her all the time even though I know she cant hear... shes my pretty snake.
I dont think I would ever part with her. Ever!
 
bear said:
That is a pretty good estimate, breeding boas takes a lot of patience. It is best to wait until females are around 4 to start trying to pair them. I would like to see an accurate statistic on how many people who buy babies actually raise and produce with those babies... Stick with it, and no matter what the litter is worth, it'll all be worth it in the long run.
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Very true. Boas should be grown slowly to have a long life and be a good breeder.
I would not be surprised if a lot of breeders power feed their boas to get them to size fast and then they turn around and drop dead on them at 5 years old.
Same goes with ball pythons. Too many people breed young males and females (tiny males at like 350 grams and small females at 1000 grams or less). Myself, I have not bred a male under 18 months old and 700 grams or a female under 3 years old and 1500 grams. Too many things to worry about if the animals are too young. Very small clutch, duds, chance of killing the female because of the toll egglaying takes on her, eggbound, or no copulations at all.
 
SPJ said:
I would not be surprised if a lot of breeders power feed their boas to get them to size fast and then they turn around and drop dead on them at 5 years old.
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Wouldn't be surprised? HA HA HA Many of them have openly admitted it. Except for the dying young of course.
 
Richard, I don't know if i'm good at picking jungles, but i believe it could be a low expressive as it definitely has some jungle looking characteristics. Being it's a hypo though kind of tweeks it a little bit so it's a tough call.
 
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