Inquiry Genefreak339 / Michael Harshbarger

[SERPENTS DEN]

Ok, just playing devils advocate here, but if it was sold to him as an AxPin, and SPJ's statement is just speculation (by definition, not insulting since all the facts aren't known), what's wrong here? Is there any proof that it's not axanthic?

Michael, you bred him this year right? Did anything prove out?

That Pin is not going to prove out because that trait is not genetic and it's not Axanthic. People get scammed all the time BUT it's just wrong to try and pass your losses onto someone else which is what Michael is trying to do.

Exactly! Could mods please bring the ad back up because there are post on there you cannot see in serpents screen shot(figures). It's me stating exactly where I got this guy and where. I say many people say img but i bought as vpi axanthic. Did o not say those exact words? I deleted the ad only to revise it with more in depth description so noone thinks I'm getting over on anyone

I said exactly where when and how I got him on that ad. Even said feel free to contact them for confirmation. Focal. Only bred him to other crosses my axanthic is only pushing 760grams right now.

You didn't post the ad honestly from the beginning. You added some details AFTER you were called out on it.


Michael, is the said Pinstripe an Axanthic; yes or no?
I don't care that you purchased a Pinto as a Cadilac

 

[Genefreak339]

That Pin is not going to prove out because that trait is not genetic and it's not Axanthic.]

Really you know 100% or are you just speculating again? Got some proof?

Michael, is the said Pinstripe an Axanthic; yes or no?
I don't care that you purchased a Pinto as a Cadilac

Like I've said about 10 times now. I bought him as an axanthic pinstripe. When you acted interested and asked about him in my ad I told you where I got him and how I got him so you could confirm everything. He has not been bred to a vpi axanthic as of yet so I cant say for sure thats what he is. (but no reason for me to think hes not) What I can and did do is offer anyone interested info on him. He still has axanthic color nearly 10months later. Ive let you and everyone else know the exact story on this guy so not much left for me to do!!!

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

Really you know 100% or are you just speculating again? Got some proof?




Like I've said about 10 times now. I bought him as an axanthic pinstripe. When you acted interested and asked about him in my ad I told you where I got him and how I got him so you could confirm everything. He has not been bred to a vpi axanthic as of yet so I cant say for sure thats what he is. (but no reason for me to think hes not) What I can and did do is offer anyone interested info on him. He still has axanthic color nearly 10months later. Ive let you and everyone else know the exact story on this guy so not much left for me to do!!!

So you can't say for sure he's an Axanthic but your going to sell him as one because you purchased him as one.

This has been discussed before and in your own words you said about this animal:

I guess I got screwed out of a good little chunk of change then. Hmmm figured there would be honest people at the daytona expo. Guess I was wrong! Oh well, hes worth dinking with.
-Michael

It's a shame theres so many dishonest people in this industry and I'm sorry you got taken but it doesn't give you the right to knowingly pass the buck onto someone else.

 

[Genefreak339]

So you can't say for sure he's an Axanthic but your going to sell him as one because you purchased him as one.

This has been discussed before and in your own words you said about this animal:


It's a shame theres so many dishonest people in this industry and I'm sorry you got taken but it doesn't give you the right to knowingly pass the buck onto someone else.

Thats why in the ad I told you where I got him from so you could confirm! Did I not do that? And I did that before any of this was started so you cant say I was trying to hide anything from you!

I said that when everyone was saying that just a normal pin his color will come back soon. WELL its been 10 months and he is still black and white as ever? Ive revised my ad and included an in depth description of him.

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

Thats why in the ad I told you where I got him from so you could confirm! Did I not do that? And I did that before any of this was started so you cant say I was trying to hide anything from you!

I said that when everyone was saying that just a normal pin his color will come back soon. WELL its been 10 months and he is still black and white as ever? Ive revised my ad and included an in depth description of him.

Yes you said where you got him from after Kyle mentioned it was an IMG.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=249458

I will have to agree with whoever said it's not an IMG and that 'it lacks color. Axanthics lack yellow and your animal has some yellow pigment.

I will say I've had boas that lacked color that looked very similar to your Pin and they stayed that way but weren't genetic.

Your new revised classified ad you mentioned new pics can be e-mailed, why wouldn't you just post them in your ad and for that matter here?

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

Yes you said where you got him from after Kyle mentioned it was an IMG.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=249458

I will have to agree with whoever said it's not an IMG and that 'it lacks color. Axanthics lack yellow and your animal has some yellow pigment.

I will say I've had boas that lacked color that looked very similar to your Pin and they stayed that way but weren't genetic.

Your new revised classified ad you mentioned new pics can be e-mailed, why wouldn't you just post them in your ad and for that matter here?

The link to your ad didn't work right, hope this one does.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249458

 

[Dbz4246]

I agree that that pin has a little more yellow than a regular axanthic, but that doesn't necessarily mean he isn't one. Not all axanthics are created equal, so not all are completely void of yellow pigment. At least it was disclosed where the snake was bought from, and who produced him. So if he was bought as an axanthic, whats wrong with selling him as one? So IMO, its up to the buyer to be the one to trust this deal, if not, then move on. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Katie.Shinkle]

I agree that that pin has a little more yellow than a regular axanthic, but that doesn't necessarily mean he isn't one. Not all axanthics are created equal, so not all are completely void of yellow pigment. At least it was disclosed where the snake was bought from, and who produced him. So if he was bought as an axanthic, whats wrong with selling him as one? So IMO, its up to the buyer to be the one to trust this deal, if not, then move on. Just my 2 cents.

He himself stated he got screwed. He would be scum to turn around and do the same to some unsuspecting buyer.

Also, somewhat OT, but if the animal is a true genetic axantic, wouldn't it lack all yellow pigment?

 

[Katie.Shinkle]

I should also add I know nothing about ball morphs.

 

[Genefreak339]

He himself stated he got screwed. He would be scum to turn around and do the same to some unsuspecting buyer.

No I thought I got screwed when someone said that he will turn back to original pin color after a few shed. Well I said nothing for months waiting to see what happened to him. Hes shed out many many times and looks nothing like a normal pin to me.

Ive included all info on him and even where I got him from. Is there anything else I should add in the ad so Im not being "scum". LOL

Here is him as of today next to a pin. I'd say his "yellow" is more of a washed out brown color.

 

[David Reid]

What were the parents of the snake in question?

If the snake's parents were Axanthic X Pinstripe Het Axanthic, then the snake could indeed be an Axanthic Pin, although it looks a bit off to me. If nobody seems to know what the parents are, forgot, won't say....then the snake should be sold as a Dinker or proven out one way or the other by the owner.

This is one of the pitfalls of being a flipper. You overpay for something, you either take the loss like a man or pass the buck like a chicken#@$t. Either way, you show your true colors.

 

[Genefreak339]

What were the parents of the snake in question?

If the snake's parents were Axanthic X Pinstripe Het Axanthic, then the snake could indeed be an Axanthic Pin, although it looks a bit off to me. If nobody seems to know what the parents are, forgot, won't say....then the snake should be sold as a Dinker or proven out one way or the other by the owner.

This is one of the pitfalls of being a flipper. You overpay for something, you either take the loss like a man or pass the buck like a chicken#@$t. Either way, you show your true colors.

Hes being sold and advertised as a awesome looking snake that I bought as an axanthic pin. Thats what he is. Everyone who has asked about him as gotten the same info. When and where I bought him and who I bought him from. Once again what else needs to be said? You see the pics, you see the info, and so does everyone else. I think they can make there decision based on that. Im NOT hiding anything from anyone!

 

[David Reid]

Again, what were the parents?

Dave

 

[Genefreak339]

Again, what were the parents?

Dave

I did not ask when I bought him. If I knew that would be the first thing in the description.

 

[Genefreak339]

Ok Ive been digging for this info ALL day. Finally got all the info from the guy I bought the pin from.

Lynn Robertson montvale va ([email protected])

I have his phone number but didnt want to put it on here. PM me if you want it.

 

[redhood23]

no matter what it is, It is an amazing snake.

 

[Kaa22]

So, from what I gather...

You were selling disfigured/deformed animals that you claimed to have sexed first-hand yet claim you had no idea they were deformed.

You claimed to have been ripped off about the axanthic pinstripe, yet are still selling it as an axanthic pinstripe.

I don't get it. You want people to see you as a good guy yet you really haven't shown much in terms of good guy material.

All I can say is good luck...

 

[Genefreak339]

So, from what I gather...

You were selling disfigured/deformed animals that you claimed to have sexed first-hand yet claim you had no idea they were deformed.

That was my first clutch ever give me a break!

You claimed to have been ripped off about the axanthic pinstripe, yet are still selling it as an axanthic pinstripe.

In the ad and all info Ive given people interested in him I CLEARLY stated. I bought him as an axanthic pin. I stated where and who I got him from. All info on was given to everyone. Based on that people can decide whether they want him or not. I never hid one thing about him to anyone!

I don't get it. You want people to see you as a good guy yet you really haven't shown much in terms of good guy material.

All I can say is good luck...

Actually I have PLENTY of satisfied customers and have offered help to many other herpers. You people are just more worried about the info and bad guy threads than the good ones. Maybe thats why every good guy thread has only a select number of views and a few post but the info and bad guy threads on here have 10,000+ views and hundres of replies. Everyone wants to put in some 2cent hoping they get some good karma points!


Everyones quick to lable bad guy or what not but trust me I have a LOT more satisfied customers than I do people that have a problem with me. But I do understand jealousy is a big thing in the industry.

 

[Genefreak339]

You want people to see you as a good guy yet you really haven't shown much in terms of good guy material.

All I can say is good luck...

Here is some quotes from my "Good guy thread" all in the past 1 months Is this good guy material?

My husband and I just purchased a stunning orange ghost male (NERD line) from Michael. He was great to deal with. Communication was great and shipping was smooth. Would definitely do business with him again or recommend him to anyone. Thank you again, Michael!

I recently purchased two high quality ball pythons from Michael. His responses are very prompt and he has quality animals that picked up eating within a week after receiving them. I was extremely happy. Thx!

I recently did I high dollar transaction with michael and it went really well great guy

 

[Kaa22]

That was my first clutch ever give me a break!

Quote war, eh? I'm game.
First clutch or not, it's no excuse. Those deformities were obvious. Unfortunately the pictures hid them fairly well. Anyone sexing those animals would have seen that. It's not that it was your first clutch or 1,000th clutch; honesty is honesty, and nothing was said about kinks or deformities until it 'came time'. Do you know what happens to deformed animals here? They're culled. They have no place on the market, and they never will.

In the ad and all info Ive given people interested in him I CLEARLY stated. I bought him as an axanthic pin. I stated where and who I got him from. All info on was given to everyone. Based on that people can decide whether they want him or not. I never hid one thing about him to anyone!

Yet you're still placing him up as an axanthic pinstripe, when its questionable. Why not hold him back, and breed him? Why not email the breeder directly, yourself, get the lineage and put it up inside the ad? There's a multitude of options out there.

Actually I have PLENTY of satisfied customers and have offered help to many other herpers. You people are just more worried about the info and bad guy threads than the good ones. Maybe thats why every good guy thread has only a select number of views and a few post but the info and bad guy threads on here have 10,000+ views and hundres of replies. Everyone wants to put in some 2cent hoping they get some good karma points!

Wah.
I'm more interested about fact being put up. It's not how many good transactions you've had, but how you handle yourself and how you handle problems. You seem to dodge questions, complain, and twist information. Perhaps the bad guy threads have more views and posts because people want to see the jist of whats going on, where-as a good guy thread is pretty self-explanatory by the title alone? As for wanting karma points... no. I really don't care either way what brownie points I get, or if I get any at all.

Everyones quick to lable bad guy or what not but trust me I have a LOT more satisfied customers than I do people that have a problem with me. But I do understand jealousy is a big thing in the industry.

Uh huh. I'm oh so jealous. I'll tell you now, me and my wife have stuff in our collection that most don't. Some stuff proven, some stuff not. Good luck with that point

Here is some quotes from my "Good guy thread" all in the past 1 months Is this good guy material?

It would be, but when your dealing with the other information that's come to light that still hasn't been resolved, or answered... what are most willing to follow when it comes time to buy? There's no doubt why people are questioning.