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[Shiari]

So.... OP... have you thought about calling RodentPro and apologising for this thread?

 

[outfished]

So do I win the prize for solving the mystery?...lol....Mike

 

[Focal]

Thanks Bob for coming back and letting everyone know your vet was mistaken. It takes a big man to come back and admit they were wrong but I guess that isn't good enough for some of the BOI nazi's, lol.

 

[David Scarboro]

Thanks Bob for coming back and letting everyone know your vet was mistaken. It takes a big man to come back and admit they were wrong but I guess that isn't good enough for some of the BOI nazi's, lol.

Nick, I am not sure what your meaning is here. First off, Maybe I missed where the OP has stated for sure that he was wrong. Second, Do you really believe that the vet identified the critters as pinworms? I do not. I think everyone has been reasonably civil. Here we have a guy who jumped the gun and hammered Rodentpro for something they may not have done, Then we have a VERY questionable supposed vet report?? (haven't seen it yet) I also haven't seen any Nazi's, yet. Maybe I am missing something, it is early...

 

[Wolfy-hound]

Dunno about Mississppi, but here in FLorida maggots can appear overnight with any incentive. It doesn't take "bad husbandry" or fungus. Florida has bugs everywhere and unless you're inside a sealed lab, you've got some kind of bugs.

A bit of dampness, or even the tiny drop of blood etc from a rat left behind in the bedding... anything is enough for maggots to hatch out. Unless you're changing your bedding DAILY completely with sanitizing each time, it can happen.

That said, the vet needs to issue a report about whether the visable worms were diagnosed as pinworms, or if they ALSO diagnosed pinworms in the samples, alongside the maggots. People listening to vets often hear one thing, when the vet actually said/meant something else entirely.

Or the vet is incompetant and doesn't know what pinworms look like, which I'd find doubtful since parasites are covered very extensively in vet school and they should have referance material in case anything strange comes up in practice.

 

[Focal]

Nick, I am not sure what your meaning is here. First off, Maybe I missed where the OP has stated for sure that he was wrong. Second, Do you really believe that the vet identified the critters as pinworms? I do not. I think everyone has been reasonably civil. Here we have a guy who jumped the gun and hammered Rodentpro for something they may not have done, Then we have a VERY questionable supposed vet report?? (haven't seen it yet) I also haven't seen any Nazi's, yet. Maybe I am missing something, it is early...

Okay, maybe 'BOI nazi' was a bit out there, but more-so a joke. It's not the place to call individual people out but there have been some that are less than helpful. Some have jumped to conlclusions and bashed the vet just as quickly as the OP did RP. It very possible that the vet DID find pinworms in the stool and irresponsibly linked the two together. I have seen vets pull the quick-in, quick-out routine and it is possible that a thorough exam on both worms weren't done and conlusion was drawn from the first worms found. Again, really just an assumption since I wasn't there, but this thread so far is 99% assumptions.

He came in here to warn everyone of a problem that he had believed to be solid based on what a professional he paid told him. Now he's been accused of lack of quaratine, poor husbandry, and "lack of protocol" and yet the same people are bashing him for jumping the gun on rodent pro, when they are in the same boat.

From what I've seen out of the OP on here, he doesn't seem like a liar and he has provided everything asked of so far minus the vet report. If that's what it's going to take to attain any credibility, then I'm sure he will do it, but honestly, will that satisfy the masses? I don't think we will find what we are looking for on that piece of paper anyway, unless it's questioned whether he actually went.

You are right. He hasn't come flat out and said he was wrong but he is seems open to the fact that he is and what I have seen from him on this forum, if he is wrong, I wouldn't expect anything less than his honest apology. Of course, he knew what to expect when he started this thread and this is just my opinion and what I've taken from it.

 

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Maybe i should have mentioned in my post that I call any little fly that is smaller than your average "green poop fly" a fruit fly. I didn't mean to imply that they were actually drosophila.... they were just little flies, maybe a tad bigger than an actual fruit fly. Whatever they were, they were annoying!!! And they were attracted to a plate with some wine in it. I was able to catch like 10 of them like that. I haven't seen any of them since... And the picture OP posted looks a lot like the larvae I saw, but I was able to take one look at them and know that they were some type of fly larvae.

 

[dustinNMpythons]

I agree with what Nick is saying, a lot of you guys come on here and automatically bash someone for a lack of knowledge when you have a lack of knowledge yourselves. Unless your psychic I don't think you were there when he freaked out thinking he had worms in his reptile collection. If anything this shows that he does have good husbandry because he went maybe a little overboard took the advice of a professional and tried to warn the reptile community that maybe something is wrong. I know most people don't know what worms look like. I thought one of my snakes had worms a very long time ago when it actually turned out to be a sperm plug (big time embarrasing) but I would have hated to get treated the way Robert is being treated to learn my lesson. Maggots can appear very quickly and it doesn't have to be a carcass laying on a heat pad to do it. He gets the point and I'm sure he has learned a valuable lesson now everyone needs to move on from this and stop beating a dead horse!

 

[rcpreis3]

Paperwork

CC receipt

Pic of Debit card to match the last 4 numbers on reciept verifying its mine

Her hand written directions.

Script

None of the paperwork I have even mentions a parasite.

She did infact tell me they were pinworms and they were most likely from my feeders. I ran through the check list of the other possibilities and went through the process of elimination. I came on here providing information that a vet provided me. U wanna see it as bashing RP? Then go ahead, you obviously cant read, and I dont really care if ur mad. You wanna see it as a heads up based on information a professional has provided me? Then u saw it how I meant it. No I dont let crap sit in the tanks, I switched to aspen so I can spot clean. I change the water ever other day, they might have to wait an extra day once in a while but I dont make it habit.

Is it even worth taking the rats and the feces to another vet and having them check it? Or is this just all a bunch of shenanighans, and a waste of time and money?

 

[Wolfy-hound]

Yes, but Dustin, how would you feel if the OP had bought a snake from you, then posted on the BOI as a bad guy thread because you sold him a snake full of parasites, only to find it was sperm plugs? Your Bad Guy thread would be here forever, and you'd have to hope that folks read down into it enough to find your animal wasn't sick or full of parasites.

Hindsight is always 20/20, and I hope this thread makes other people think first, post after. He could have posted in a discussion about what the worms were, what his vet told him, etc. Once it was determined that it was parasites from rodents purchased at RodentPro, he oculd always LATER post the Bad Guy thread then. In this case, by what he has posted, he was led to believe his snakes got pinworms from the frozen rodents BY A VET. Knowing the level of most vets' experiance with reptiles, I'd probably wait for a second opinion before going with anything less than a reptile expert with tons of experiance.

Making a mistake is human, but he did hurt RodentPro's reputation over what seems to be fruit fly larvae now. Saying "well my vet said that" isn't an apology, and an apology won't remove the Bad Guy thread.

I don't think the OP is a bad guy from everything he's posted here. He just jumped the gun in righteous anger over a perceived health issue to his(and other's) animals. It happens. We can hope this stands as an example to prevent it happening again in the future. Plus, some people have learned about parasites.

 

[Focal]

Yes, but Dustin, how would you feel if the OP had bought a snake from you, then posted on the BOI as a bad guy thread because you sold him a snake full of parasites, only to find it was sperm plugs? Your Bad Guy thread would be here forever, and you'd have to hope that folks read down into it enough to find your animal wasn't sick or full of parasites.

It's not a bad guy thread, but I'm sure he would have made an appearance. I don't think this thread is going to hurt RP any more than them not even attempting to address the issue.

There was a potential problem, they were notified by a member here, and they appear not to care and that's who should be upset about their rep, not a bunch of members IMO (no offense). He may be wrong, but by RP not taking the time to at least check on their end for a problem, I say no harm, no foul.

 

[rcpreis3]

I would love a second opinion but unfortunately they are the only vet that would see exotics in the area. Oh and BTW this isnt a Bad guy thread but an info thread. Just for the record.

But I have asked what type of worms they could have been on here before and got no help what-so-ever.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=242390

 

[aleria]

It's not a bad guy thread, but I'm sure he would have made an appearance. I don't think this thread is going to hurt RP any more than them not even attempting to address the issue.

There was a potential problem, they were notified by a member here, and they appear not to care and that's who should be upset about their rep, not a bunch of members IMO (no offense). He may be wrong, but by RP not taking the time to at least check on their end for a problem, I say no harm, no foul.

Actually I believe it was stated that he DID NOT notify them but instead decided to post here. Many people were up in arms over that fact and kept asking why he would not privately discuss the issue with them rather than immediately post here without any solid evidence to back up the claims. Instead there is only a "guess" by a vet whose judgment I question at this point if she couldn't manage to identify those worms pictured correctly.

 

[Focal]

It's not a bad guy thread, but I'm sure he would have made an appearance. I don't think this thread is going to hurt RP any more than them not even attempting to address the issue.

There was a potential problem, they were notified by a member here, and they appear not to care and that's who should be upset about their rep, not a bunch of members IMO (no offense). He may be wrong, but by RP not taking the time to at least check on their end for a problem, I say no harm, no foul.

Forgot to add, say this was a serious outbreak and it was something harmful, sales did not cease, the public wasn't addressed with at least a "Hey were going to look into it..." Either they are psychic or didn't care. That should speak for itself. I'm not trying to bash them, but please understand, the OP's post isn't the only thing hurting them right now. At least from my POV.

 

[aleria]

I would love a second opinion but unfortunately they are the only vet that would see exotics in the area. Oh and BTW this isnt a Bad guy thread but an info thread. Just for the record.

But I have asked what type of worms they could have been on here before and got no help what-so-ever.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=242390

I don't believe you need an exotics vet to take a look at the worms that you pulled out of the water dish to determine what species they are and how they could have come to be there.

 

[Shiari]

Okay, quick question:

Did she call the *maggots* pinworms, or did she say that she found evidence of pinworms in the direct fecal smear? In which case she would have found pinworm *eggs*. But if she called the actual physical maggots pinworms... That was incredibly unethical of her to lie to you like that.

I'm harping on this a bit because I'm a registered vet tech. There *are* highly unethical veterinarians out there. My hospital recently had a guy come in for a second opinion because vet number one looked at his dog, gently placed his hands on the dog's swollen abdomen and declared "It's cancer, you should euthanise her." No x-rays. No actual palpation.

It was cushings, not cancer. *We* took rads and ran bloodwork and found the cause of the bloated belly. She's doing fine now.

 

[Focal]

With all due respect to you, once you called their name here, they should have been notified. I did so.

Actually I believe it was stated that he DID NOT notify them but instead decided to post here. Many people were up in arms over that fact and kept asking why he would not privately discuss the issue with them rather than immediately post here without any solid evidence to back up the claims. Instead there is only a "guess" by a vet whose judgment I question at this point if she couldn't manage to identify those worms pictured correctly.

they were notified by a member here.

Not trying to argue but they were notified.

 

[rcpreis3]

I don't believe you need an exotics vet to take a look at the worms that you pulled out of the water dish to determine what species they are and how they could have come to be there.

Most vets when they hear reptile they dont even want anything to do with u or the related animal. I asked if I could just drop off the rat sample to the vet techs at AAHS and the vet said the girls dont even like handling things with reptiles its better to do it when she is there.

Okay, quick question:

Did she call the *maggots* pinworms, or did she say that she found evidence of pinworms in the direct fecal smear? In which case she would have found pinworm *eggs*. But if she called the actual physical maggots pinworms... That was incredibly unethical of her to lie to you like that.

I'm harping on this a bit because I'm a registered vet tech. There *are* highly unethical veterinarians out there. My hospital recently had a guy come in for a second opinion because vet number one looked at his dog, gently placed his hands on the dog's swollen abdomen and declared "It's cancer, you should euthanise her." No x-rays. No actual palpation.

It was cushings, not cancer. *We* took rads and ran bloodwork and found the cause of the bloated belly. She's doing fine now.

She took no samples of feces, or a vent swab. She looked at the physical worms under a microscope. All which has been stated before in this thread.

 

[Riyeko]

If the OP lives in a rather remote area, away from bigger places with better veterinary care, then its most likely a vet that normally sees cats, dogs and other small animals, saw the snake and the worms and said "this is what they are" without doing anything extra (like running tests n whatnot).
The vet might have done that just to seem like she was being professional and had done it before since it might not have been her speciality.

Many doctors that treat human beings do stupid things and say its something rather thanwhat it really is, so that they can appear professional and put the customer at ease.

I wouldnt put it past this vet to might have done something like this so she could put the OP at ease on what type of worms were in the water dishes.

I do believe that the OP jumped the gun on creating the thread, as RodentPro is a rather huge company and FC is very big in the fact that thousands read the pages every day.
But I also believe that the OP was given wrong information from an unknowledgeable vet that should have done more (not to mention the fact its the only vet in the area that will see exotic pets).

 

[Shiari]

Your receipt says a direct fecal smear.

Your vet is officially unethical. You see maggots on cats and dogs in the average practice usually at least a couple times a year. No microscope needed. And a microscopic examination would have clearly revealed pinworms.

Have you told her that they were actually maggots?