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Info Johathon at Breeders Circle saying his Citrus Pastel WO makes our Power House WO

Ok Jon glad you made it I'm starting to see something in some of those animals. Their is a cinni in the 2nd and 3rd pic down that I guess would be a good example. I'm sure you can see where some of the skepticism would come from on this as its kind of a highlighter gene I'm guessing nothing like pied banana or albino that's going to jump off the animals every time. Also I'm sure you can understand where the community would want to know as much about the gene and the background of it as of now. It is hard to pull out a highlighter type gene when you start getting into 2+ gene animals. When you do come up with some more pics how about doing or getting some good comparison pics I'm sure that may help. I agree it would be nice to know what makes a whiteout a whiteout.


One question I would like to have answered is is this gene random, or co-dom or is to early to tell?


Try to avoid the mud slinging I think your reputation does not need backed by yourself and I'm sure most on hear can bring up enough on the others involved at least one you won't need to take part in it and stoop to that level.
 
Ace of Snakes said:
Your a pure idiot dude and all you want to do is smear his name and Jonathan's. I back those two guys up 100% BUT YOU ARE JUST A DOUCHE BAG. Do us a favor and get out now cause you just ruined your name Mr. Gecko breeder. What a joke. Next time you bark up a tree, make sure you know what is up. I have been to Amir's house and I can not explain the CRAZY citrus whiteout combos this man has. Look at mine, now imagine that 20X over with better stuff. I am sure the pictures from Amir and Jonathan will come. You have to remember that these guys are BIG breeders and not tiny like you or me. They are busy and they can't drop everything to please you. Happy customers and being true speak for themselves. You are nothing and whatever your anger towards these two awesome breeders is nuts. In fact, you are nuts. Have a great day and or week or month trying to convince otherwise.
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I know you're trying to stick up for your friends, which is fine, but if you can't post in an adult manner you're not doing them any good. I'm not into ball pythons, but you have some beautiful snakes by the way.
 
Here are some animals I am producing from Amir's Citrus Pastel line that I purchased from him 5 years ago. I don't have any crosses with Calico just Yellowbelly. And as you can see from the pics they are anything other than just a normal Pastel.

http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/IMG_6491.jpg
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/IMG_6484.jpg
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/IMG_0812.jpg
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/IMG_0831.jpg
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/IMG_0844.jpg
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/IMG_0841.jpg
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/IMG_1188.jpg

Here is a Citrus Pewter
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/IMG_1131.jpg
Here is a Citrus Pastel Mojave Yellowbelly
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/IMG_0799.jpg
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/IMG_0801.jpg

Now Clark you cannot tell me these are just normal Pastel crosses. I have been making these crosses for three years now. There is something to the Citrus gene. Hopefully this year I will get it into the Sugar line and then see if it compares to your "Powerhouse line" Calico crosses. Which it will since you received your animal from Amir.
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Here are some animals I am producing from Amir's Citrus Pastel line that I purchased from him 5 years ago. I don't have any crosses with Calico just Yellowbelly. And as you can see from the pics they are anything other than just a normal Pastel.

http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo147/rjs73/pics/IMG_6491.jpg
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo147/rjs73/pics/IMG_6484.jpg
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo147/rjs73/pics/IMG_0812.jpg
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo147/rjs73/pics/IMG_0831.jpg
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo147/rjs73/pics/IMG_0844.jpg
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo147/rjs73/pics/IMG_0841.jpg
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo147/rjs73/pics/IMG_1188.jpg
Here is a Citrus Pewter
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo147/rjs73/pics/IMG_1131.jpg
Here is a Citrus Pastel Mojave Yellowbelly
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo147/rjs73/pics/IMG_0799.jpg
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo147/rjs73/pics/IMG_0801.jpg

Now Clark you cannot tell me these are just normal Pastel crosses. I have been making these crosses for three years now. There is something to the Citrus gene. Hopefully this year I will get it into the Sugar line and then see if it compares to your "Powerhouse line" Calico crosses. Which it will since you received your animal from Amir.
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rjs73 said:
Sorry I don't know why I can't get the pics to post without showing the link?
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Click on the yellow box with the mountain looking thing in it that says "insert image" when you post and put the picture there.
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Here is a better picture of my citrus pastel whiteout calico.
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Baby picture of my citrus whiteout silver streak
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Specter I bought from Amir. Proven!!
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Het puma male bought from Amir
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Het puma males belly
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Figured I would post these since the het puma and specter thing was brought up.

This thread needs to die in my opinion. This will be my last post on it. Great job Johnathan from Breeders Circle on all the quality animals you have produced. The same can be said for you Amir and thank you for everything.
 
John,
So we are in agreement our morphs are from two different genes. Where as you and Amir are not in agreement to the genetics of your own whiteout morph. Amir claims the gene has visual genetic markers. You say the gene is random and can show up in any citrus pastel? Here is Amir's post from the other site. Please inform us and show us all the visual markers to clear up the genetics. So all of us are not confused


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Re: Citrus Whiteout Pastels!
Great questions!

First of all I am not working with anyone now nor have I ever worked with anyone in producing my line of Citrus or any other line.
The Citrus pastel was produced here and the Citrus Whiteout was named here first and came from one individual imported female and one imported male pastel.
All Citrus Pastels produced by me and purchased from me have the potential to produce Whiteouts and sibs that are non pastels yet show the hidden gene markers.
As with any product that has value and is sought after there will be counterfeit animals floating around. They did not come from my collection.
Having worked with this gene for over a decade and producing multiple clutches and combos I can say that there is still alot to be understood about the mutation but I do have an advantage when it comes to explaining it.
Citrus Pastel started here and The Whiteout was named here.
Any other questions?
As for the Green Pastel, it is not the same as a Het Red Axanthic. It also started here and was renamed Lace Blackback by Mike Cole who purchased a male from me years ago. It is similar in appearance to a Het Red just like mojave and lesser are similar yet clearly not the same thing.
Hope i have shed some light on the subject.
www.yellowbellyball.com
 
Since we all now know that the two snake lineages are totally different due to our extreme specter like striped calico crosses that appears in everyone one our calico crosses unlike yours. We are now changing the name to the "Power House Washout". Since we clearly now know Amir didn't produce our snake and he isn't posting any pictures of animals comparable to ours that he has produced. We will also have the World of Ball Pythons change the name of our morph since no one is posting any of our type of snakes.
 
clarksgeckos said:
Since we all now know that the two snake lineages are totally different due to our extreme specter like striped calico crosses that appears in everyone one our calico crosses unlike yours. We are now changing the name to the "Power House Washout". Since we clearly now know Amir didn't produce our snake and he isn't posting any pictures of animals comparable to ours that he has produced. We will also have the World of Ball Pythons change the name of our morph since no one is posting any of our type of snakes.
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Not a misprint? It's humorous if not and would certainly get attention. I like the unusualness of the name, and the possible reference. :rofl:

*** I am NOT trying to offend anyone.:)
 
Is the person posting under the clarksgeckos account actually Clark Tucker, or is it that Capone character? Identify yourself!
 
I have done business with Jon in the past and he's always been a straight up guy. Just last week we discussed a trade for one of his breeder citrus blast male, and he made it very clear that he couldn't guarantee me that he will throw whiteouts, but he did show me a picture of his impressive citrus offspring that had whiteout markers. He explained to me some of the stuff he is still trying to prove with his whiteout gene. After the discussion I ended up going another route, which Jon was fine with. This is just an example that Jonathan Fultz is an honest guy and I will continue to do business with him. :thumbsup:
 
Clark-

Where did you get your original "washout" snake?

Answering that might be helpful.. because unless I'm mistaken, others have asked you if you got your original whiteout from Amir or not.
 
The only reason I recieved this animal in the first place was because Amir owed us so much money and he could not pay me back so he recieved a animal in trade and gave it to me as partial trade. It was a 50 gram runt that looked like crap and I thought once again I had been screwed. Enough said here is John's response to a customer inquiring about this Whiteout line.
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I am confused did you get it from Amir or not. Looks like in this quote from you that it is from Amir. :shrug01:
 
clarksgeckos said:
Since we all now know that the two snake lineages are totally different due to our extreme specter like striped calico crosses that appears in everyone one our calico crosses unlike yours. We are now changing the name to the "Power House Washout". Since we clearly now know Amir didn't produce our snake and he isn't posting any pictures of animals comparable to ours that he has produced. We will also have the World of Ball Pythons change the name of our morph since no one is posting any of our type of snakes.
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If this is true do you have any non calico morphs with the "power house" gene... How about you showing us what a regular "power house" looks like... It seems like everything "power house" has calico in it.... Maybe its just me :shrug01:
 
I find it funny that everyone is overlooking the fact that Amir was flipping animals from Joe Capone.
(Not that I could care any less.)

Everyone always says, "How do these guys stay in business ?"
I have been told that I am on peoples "list," simply because I have purchased a handful of my animals from PowerHouse Reptiles.

How many of y'all have said that you won't deal with Joe Capone, or anyone that supports him ?

Now that it comes out that Amir was taking in tens of thousands of dollars worth of Capone stock (at Wholesale prices,) and reselling them for a profit (flipping them,) and then did not have the cash to pay for the animals (after selling them for a profit?)... Y'all defend him ?

Really...
I would think that a guy like Amir, flipping five digit figures worth of their snakes, would be of more concern to y'all then me purchasing a half dozen animals from them would be.
Then again, I paid for my animals.
:rolleyes:

Sorry Amir, I don't have any problem with you myself, just pointing out the Hypocrisy in the "industry."
 
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