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Info Adam Deviney, Adambomb123 - Houston Herpholics

That statement is as silly as it is incorrect. There are savus available, though they might not be advertised (or advertised where you are looking). Then again - I know of one person that has them, but wouldn't sell them to the OP because of this thread. Not everybody would pass on a sale because of this, though.

I'm curious, because I honestly don't want to assume. But everything leading up to the final transaction is okay now because I got my money back, and thus nothing was wrongly done on the sellers part?

Because even as this thread is currently active, he has snakes listed on Fauna (and it looks like they're still available with no mention of the mite issue. However, he did go in to change the price on one of them the day before we contacted him regarding the other snakes and were told about the mites, so he knew then).

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=288048
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=286415
 
Just if you feel that he handled start, middle and end of the transaction well and if not, do you feel if it doesn't matter because he refunded my money.

I honestly don't know and I'm curious.
 
Why...because I said he was wrong about nobody having Savu pythons? Or because I said I knew of at least one person that had them, that wouldn't sell them to you because of this thread?
I already stated that I hadn't read the entire thread - that hasn't changed...so I'm not sure why you want me to pass judgement. I feel that the seller is to be commended for promptly issuing a refund when he felt that the mite treatment hadn't eradicated the problem. I know you wanted to go look at them for yourself, but I have no problem with him cancelling the transaction. In fact, I would have done the same thing - and there would have been no prolonged discussion about the matter. The animals are no longer available, due to the ongoing mite situation. Period. What I would have offered - as I stated before - was to contact you when things were resolved to my satisfaction.

Personally, I don't like your way of dealing with mites...now, that wouldn't matter in the least until you criticized "my" way of doing things, and commented that this is how you're supposed to do it. My snakes - I'll treat them my way. If I hadn't already canceled the transaction, it would have happened there.

As far as the changing prices that you mentioned at the start of the first post, that was pretty lame...but I don't remember if that price was agreed upon before he changed it. The difference is small, but there is a difference between jacking an agreed upon price, and changing an offered price. Personally, as a seller, I would have cursed my carelessness & eaten the difference. As a buyer, I would have considered where I valued the merchandise, and how I felt about the change. If I had already agreed to the offered price, I'm the type that might walk away over a $20 increase.
 
If I had already agreed to the offered price, I'm the type that might walk away over a $20 increase.

Exactly. If a seller does not honor an offered price, which is pretty central to any transaction, who knows what else he will dishonor in the course of the rest of the transaction?
 
Oops - I almost forgot the part about you accusing him of lying about the mites, and wanting to inspect them for yourself. How rude can you be?? Did you really expect that to fly...especially after the transaction was cancelled? All you did there was burn a bridge.
 
Why...because I said he was wrong about nobody having Savu pythons? Or because I said I knew of at least one person that had them, that wouldn't sell them to you because of this thread?

That honestly doesn't bother me. If they make an informed decision about dealing with me, after reading everything then I have no problem with them deciding not to do business with me. It would probably be best for both of us.

I already stated that I hadn't read the entire thread - that hasn't changed...so I'm not sure why you want me to pass judgement.

Because it sounded like you had passed judgment on me without fully reading the thread.

I feel that the seller is to be commended for promptly issuing a refund when he felt that the mite treatment hadn't eradicated the problem. I know you wanted to go look at them for yourself, but I have no problem with him cancelling the transaction. In fact, I would have done the same thing - and there would have been no prolonged discussion about the matter. The animals are no longer available, due to the ongoing mite situation. Period. What I would have offered - as I stated before - was to contact you when things were resolved to my satisfaction.

He didn't offer, nor was he interested in me wanting to wait a couple more weeks to see if the snakes I bought would relapse too. He also, wasn't worried about the mite situation in the beginning or selling me snakes with a mite issue. Maybe things got out of control and he didn't bother to tell us until my friend started asking when I could come pick them up?

Personally, I don't like your way of dealing with mites...now, that wouldn't matter in the least until you criticized "my" way of doing things, and commented that this is how you're supposed to do it. My snakes - I'll treat them my way. If I hadn't already canceled the transaction, it would have happened there.

He claimed he didn't know the effects of what he was spraying in the faces of his snakes. Snakes are really delicate (as I'm sure you know), and every warning about Nix is to make sure not to allow them a waterbowl because the chemicals can rinse off in the bowl and they drink it. These were snakes I had paid for and was going to collect in a week, and I'm being told that chemicals are being sprayed directly onto their faces instead of being rubbed down? I was a little upset about this. Yes, I probably did come off as rude, but I was concerned over their health.

As far as the changing prices that you mentioned at the start of the first post, that was pretty lame...but I don't remember if that price was agreed upon before he changed it. The difference is small, but there is a difference between jacking an agreed upon price, and changing an offered price. Personally, as a seller, I would have cursed my carelessness & eaten the difference. As a buyer, I would have considered where I valued the merchandise, and how I felt about the change. If I had already agreed to the offered price, I'm the type that might walk away over a $20 increase.

It was agreed upon before he changed it. He also upped the price on a pair of snakes on my friend because he recalled her selling a Trio that he absolutely lowballed her on, that she didn't take him up on the offer for. I was wondering about that line in the email exchange, but didn't get the background on it until after I posted this thread. He also apparently charged me $315 for Savus that he bought for $200 a month ago ( I didn't learn about how he only owned these snakes for a month before offering to sell them to me until after I made this thread, and would have halted the transaction right there if I knew earlier).

Oops - I almost forgot the part about you accusing him of lying about the mites, and wanting to inspect them for yourself. How rude can you be?? Did you really expect that to fly...especially after the transaction was cancelled? All you did there was burn a bridge.

He canceled the deal because the female in another room, that was not sold to me relapsed and wasn't wanting to let me wait a couple weeks to see what would happen to mine. I also found out that he was not treating his other snakes (some that were housed together, or in the same cabinets I bought from him that were housing the Savu. Something I didn't know about until after I made this thread), or the cabinets I bought for mites either until Candace asked when I could pick those items up.

To be honest, based on the information I garnered after I made this thread. I would have canceled the deal myself and I'm very, very glad that he backed out. Because if this deal actually went through, and I found out afterwords everything I know now, I'd be extremely upset.
 
I'm being told that chemicals are being sprayed directly onto their faces instead of being rubbed down?
With NIX, how it is used depends on the preparation. The spray really shouldn't go directly on the animal....the shampoo dilution does. I haven't used that method, either; but I know several people that have, and they claim it is quite effective. I can't speak to how Adam did things; but (it seems to me that) the common sense approach would be to soak the animal prior to application, to get the drinking out of the way.

He also apparently charged me $315 for Savus that he bought for $200 a month ago
As far as the price - I don't know how big they are...but if they are a breeding size/age pair, $315 is a good deal. To me, what he paid for them, or when, is pretty irrelevant. People sell animals at a profit all the time. Unless you were led to believe he'd had these snakes for longer, what's the problem?

Because it sounded like you had passed judgment on me without fully reading the thread.
I had formed an opinion of how you dealt with this situation, yes. I've even read more of the thread since then, but my opinion hasn't changed.
Passed judgement - not really - I suppose one could say forming an opinion is passing judgement; but I tend to disagree. You could be a great person, you may take great care of your snakes....but there were several aspects of your approach that simply rubbed me the wrong way. That has nothing to do with anything, but you asked.
 
With NIX, how it is used depends on the preparation. The spray really shouldn't go directly on the animal....the shampoo dilution does. I haven't used that method, either; but I know several people that have, and they claim it is quite effective. I can't speak to how Adam did things; but (it seems to me that) the common sense approach would be to soak the animal prior to application, to get the drinking out of the way.

Agreed on all points. I won't go further into mite eradication chat, since that's probably off topic!

As far as the price - I don't know how big they are...but if they are a breeding size/age pair, $315 is a good deal. To me, what he paid for them, or when, is pretty irrelevant. People sell animals at a profit all the time. Unless you were led to believe he'd had these snakes for longer, what's the problem?

They're juvies from S&S (?) and Reptmart, not adults. Well, he went out of his way to mention that he wasn't a snake flipper, and then I came to find out he had the snakes only for a month and was charging me $115 more than he paid? I probably should have asked specifically when he got it, but it seemed like such a weird question to ask (and irrelevant) since he was talking like they were beloved pets and he was getting out of the hobby. So I just assumed he had them for awhile.

If he hadn't have made a point about how he really wasn't a snake flipper, then I probably wouldn't have been somewhat annoyed at finding that out. Also, for the record, I don't mind if people make a profit. Go America? But this seems like info that wouldn't be pertinent to others, and more of my own personal convictions.


I had formed an opinion of how you dealt with this situation, yes. I've even read more of the thread since then, but my opinion hasn't changed.
Passed judgement - not really - I suppose one could say forming an opinion is passing judgement; but I tend to disagree. You could be a great person, you may take great care of your snakes....but there were several aspects of your approach that simply rubbed me the wrong way. That has nothing to do with anything, but you asked.

That's more than understandable, and I can't (nor shouldn't) fault you for that in the slightest.
 
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