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Pennsylvania state law issues

Also, it is not $150 per species. You need to indicate what species you work with when you apply but there is no limit and you can call them anytime to add/delete species as your projects change.

Mary Bates is the point of contact at the Dept. of Agriculture. Here is a link to an older thread that discussed this subject. Her contact information is there as well as links to the permit applications.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101548

Bart
 
Thanks for correcting the number of Species. We only mess with ball pythons so the permit was only for one species.
 
Wake Up PA peeps.



PRINTER'S NO. 3155






THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF PENNSYLVANIA





HOUSE BILL


No.
2233
Session of

2012









INTRODUCED BY HALUSKA, BRENNAN, CARROLL, CONKLIN, DALEY, DENLINGER, EVERETT, GOODMAN, PASHINSKI, SONNEY, STERN AND TAYLOR, FEBRUARY 29, 2012








REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON GAME AND FISHERIES, FEBRUARY 29, 2012











AN ACT




1
Amending Title 30 (Fish) of the Pennsylvania Consolidated

2
Statutes, providing for nonindigenous and exotic reptile and

3
amphibian possession permits.

4
The General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania

5
hereby enacts as follows:

6
Section 1. Title 30 of the Pennsylvania Consolidated

7
Statutes is amended by adding a section to read:

8
§ 2904.1. Nonindigenous and exotic reptile and amphibian

9
possession permits.

10
(a) Authorization.--The commission may issue a permit to a

11
person to possess a nonindigenous or exotic reptile or

12
amphibian, upon application, which shall authorize the holder to

13
purchase, receive or possess a nonindigenous or exotic reptile

14
or amphibian from any lawful source from within or without this

15
Commonwealth.

16
(b) Fees.--The annual fees for permits provided for under

17
subsection (a) are as follows:

18
(1) Nonindigenous or exotic reptile or amphibian dealer,






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1
$200.

2
(2) Nonindigenous or exotic reptile or amphibian

3
possession, $25.

4
(c) Shelter, care and protection.--No permit provided for in

5
this section shall be granted until the commission is satisfied

6
that the provisions for housing and caring for the nonindigenous

7
or exotic reptile or amphibian and for protecting the public are

8
proper and adequate and in accordance with the standards

9
established by the commission.

10
(d) Unlawful acts.--It is unlawful for any person to:

11
(1) Possess, purchase or receive a nonindigenous or

12
exotic reptile or amphibian, without first securing a permit

13
to possess a nonindigenous or exotic reptile or amphibian

14
issued under this section or regulations pertaining to this

15
section.

16
(2) Release a nonindigenous or exotic reptile or

17
amphibian into the wild.

18
(3) Fail to exercise due care in safeguarding the public

19
from attack by a nonindigenous or exotic reptile or

20
amphibian.

21
(4) Recklessly engage in conduct which places or may

22
place another person in danger of attack by a nonindigenous

23
or exotic reptile or amphibian.

24
(e) Discretion of executive director.--In addition to the

25
penalties provided, the executive director may, for any

26
violation of this section, revoke or suspend any permit and

27
order the disposal of any nonindigenous or exotic reptile or

28
amphibian held.

29
(f) Applicability.--This section applies to nonindigenous or

30
exotic reptiles and amphibians not prohibited under section 2507

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1
(relating to sale of certain fish, reptiles and amphibians

2
prohibited).

3
Section 2. The Pennsylvania Fish and Boat Commission shall

4
institute a program of 30 days' duration whereby Commonwealth

5
residents are provided the opportunity to relinquish unwanted

6
reptiles and amphibians at regional offices of the commission

7
prior to the effective date of 30 Pa.C.S. § 2904.1.

8
Section 3. This act shall take effect as follows:

9
(1) The addition of 30 Pa.C.S. § 2904.1 shall take

10
effect January 1, 2013.

11
(2) The remainder of this act shall take effect

12
immediately.

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http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs...d=0&billBody=H&billTyp=B&billNbr=2233&pn=3155
 
Wake Up PA peeps.



PRINTER'S NO. 3155






THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF PENNSYLVANIA





HOUSE BILL


No.
2233
Session of

2012









INTRODUCED BY HALUSKA, BRENNAN, CARROLL, CONKLIN, DALEY, DENLINGER, EVERETT, GOODMAN, PASHINSKI, SONNEY, STERN AND TAYLOR, FEBRUARY 29, 2012








REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON GAME AND FISHERIES, FEBRUARY 29, 2012











AN ACT




1
Amending Title 30 (Fish) of the Pennsylvania Consolidated

2
Statutes, providing for nonindigenous and exotic reptile and

3
amphibian possession permits.

4
The General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania

5
hereby enacts as follows:

6
Section 1. Title 30 of the Pennsylvania Consolidated

7
Statutes is amended by adding a section to read:

8
§ 2904.1. Nonindigenous and exotic reptile and amphibian

9
possession permits.

10
(a) Authorization.--The commission may issue a permit to a

11
person to possess a nonindigenous or exotic reptile or

12
amphibian, upon application, which shall authorize the holder to

13
purchase, receive or possess a nonindigenous or exotic reptile

14
or amphibian from any lawful source from within or without this

15
Commonwealth.

16
(b) Fees.--The annual fees for permits provided for under

17
subsection (a) are as follows:

18
(1) Nonindigenous or exotic reptile or amphibian dealer,






--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


1
$200.

2
(2) Nonindigenous or exotic reptile or amphibian

3
possession, $25.

4
(c) Shelter, care and protection.--No permit provided for in

5
this section shall be granted until the commission is satisfied

6
that the provisions for housing and caring for the nonindigenous

7
or exotic reptile or amphibian and for protecting the public are

8
proper and adequate and in accordance with the standards

9
established by the commission.

10
(d) Unlawful acts.--It is unlawful for any person to:

11
(1) Possess, purchase or receive a nonindigenous or

12
exotic reptile or amphibian, without first securing a permit

13
to possess a nonindigenous or exotic reptile or amphibian

14
issued under this section or regulations pertaining to this

15
section.

16
(2) Release a nonindigenous or exotic reptile or

17
amphibian into the wild.

18
(3) Fail to exercise due care in safeguarding the public

19
from attack by a nonindigenous or exotic reptile or

20
amphibian.

21
(4) Recklessly engage in conduct which places or may

22
place another person in danger of attack by a nonindigenous

23
or exotic reptile or amphibian.

24
(e) Discretion of executive director.--In addition to the

25
penalties provided, the executive director may, for any

26
violation of this section, revoke or suspend any permit and

27
order the disposal of any nonindigenous or exotic reptile or

28
amphibian held.

29
(f) Applicability.--This section applies to nonindigenous or

30
exotic reptiles and amphibians not prohibited under section 2507

20120HB2233PN3155
- 2 -



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


1
(relating to sale of certain fish, reptiles and amphibians

2
prohibited).

3
Section 2. The Pennsylvania Fish and Boat Commission shall

4
institute a program of 30 days' duration whereby Commonwealth

5
residents are provided the opportunity to relinquish unwanted

6
reptiles and amphibians at regional offices of the commission

7
prior to the effective date of 30 Pa.C.S. § 2904.1.

8
Section 3. This act shall take effect as follows:

9
(1) The addition of 30 Pa.C.S. § 2904.1 shall take

10
effect January 1, 2013.

11
(2) The remainder of this act shall take effect

12
immediately.

20120HB2233PN3155
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http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs...d=0&billBody=H&billTyp=B&billNbr=2233&pn=3155

Where did you find all this? I would like to try and get a hold of everyone on that list.
 
http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/PN/Public/btCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&sessYr=2011&sessInd=0&billBody=H&billTyp=B&billNbr=2233&pn=3155

Hope i did this correct. I seen a group of PA Breeders are collecting money to get a attorney to fight this. If this is true i have a few bucks to donate. I would support them 100% on this. thats crazy i have to pay $25 for a permit for each one of my snakes and there ball pythons.

Yea same, balls boas and burms over here.
 
http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/cteeInfo/cteeInfo.cfm?cde=18&body=H

This link has all of the members of the committee on game and fisheries. I have spoken to a few of my local reps on the list, they have said its unlikely that this will get past the committee but as I told them, after what happened with HR511 passing committee I will not take that chance. The state senators can not help as this is only in the house.
 
http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/cteeInfo/cteeInfo.cfm?cde=18&body=H

This link has all of the members of the committee on game and fisheries. I have spoken to a few of my local reps on the list, they have said its unlikely that this will get past the committee but as I told them, after what happened with HR511 passing committee I will not take that chance. The state senators can not help as this is only in the house.

Agreed. Contacting the Reps who make up this committee is what needs to be done. Way too early to do much else, especially collecting money for an attorney. What exactly is an attorney going to do at this point? Or at any point for that matter?
 
Personally there's no point to an attorney with it being in committee. Just being proactive to the matter, to me at least, will help more now than anything else. The few guys I spoke to today are willing to listen and have even agreed to meeting with me next week.
 
Sounds absurd

The state is just looking for more revenue to replace mismanaged funds! Reading it, I don't think it means $25 per animal but $25 to own herp pets right?
 
Personally, I think everyone should place a call to each person who endorses these bills and let them know that if their name appears on ANY bill aimed at destroying your right to enjoy your hobby, you will vote for ANYONE other than them on the next election they are listed.

I talked to people over the gator ban bill. Illusions of 1000 lb gators, rampant attacks and thousands of gators living in PA sewers was the image they proposed. When I asked how a reptile would ever survive freezing temps for over 3 months a year. They went silent. Tried to say they'd learn to hibernate. I laughed.

Sometimes it is very hard to fix stupid people.

The people I spoke to could not direct me to a single attack documented in PA by a gator. They fumbled their words when i told them that in the USA more people are killed by horses annually than ALL reptiles combined. That feral dogs and cats pose greater threats to humanity through aggression, spread of disease and increasing numbers.
 
ha

If gators could hibernate and withstand the climate North of VA/NC border, don't they would already be here on their own power.

I guess the concern with the gators, is the sheer size they reach and what "could happen" if a large pet escaped.

I guess I should start voting again and pay more attention to the hobby that I enjoy so much.
 
Pennsylvaia government is just as bad as any other state government, and sometimes the federal government. They all base their findings on what could be, and not what is.

I agree that as a general rule in Pa, that most reptiles are not going to survive our winter season, although this past season was a bit milder then usual. And that ferral cats and dogs do pose more of a health risk and danger to the general public on a daily basis then reptiles do.

Pennsylvania doest even enforce the laws that they have on the books now, and does not have enough knowledgeable staff to do so, so even if this bill passes I am not sure anything will come of it as far as enforcement goes for some time. I could be wrong, just my thoughts.

I don't personally care what animals or reptiles people own, and think that everyone should have a fair and equal right to keep and possess (RESPONSIBLY) any species of their choosing as long as it is done in accordance with the law (not illegally obtained, endangered and such). Pa has been a very easy state to obtain and keep just about anything, and I think they would have more pressing issues at hand with all of the venomous reptiles in possession and collections in the state, if they press issues to hard on the keeping of other reptile species.

I mean, in all honesty, and not picking on any one group, but have you ever been to the hamburg reptile show. I have seen large animals cramped in small containers, animals displayed in cracked or shattered aquariums, venomous species displayed in deli cups on tables that are easily accessible to small children, animals that clearly look unhealthy, animals of all kinds being sold to kids that clearly appear to under 18. I am sure that other shows are the same, but talk about RESPONSIBILTY, I am sure I am gonna take a nice hard hit on this one, but clearly I think the reptile community needs to take a look at some of the persona it gives off, and realize that it is some of our own actions that bring these bills to surface.
 
Pennsylvania doest even enforce the laws that they have on the books now, and does not have enough knowledgeable staff to do so, so even if this bill passes I am not sure anything will come of it as far as enforcement goes for some time. I could be wrong, just my thoughts.

I don't personally care what animals or reptiles people own, and think that everyone should have a fair and equal right to keep and possess (RESPONSIBLY) any species of their choosing as long as it is done in accordance with the law (not illegally obtained, endangered and such). Pa has been a very easy state to obtain and keep just about anything, and I think they would have more pressing issues at hand with all of the venomous reptiles in possession and collections in the state, if they press issues to hard on the keeping of other reptile species.

I mean, in all honesty, and not picking on any one group, but have you ever been to the hamburg reptile show. I have seen large animals cramped in small containers, animals displayed in cracked or shattered aquariums, venomous species displayed in deli cups on tables that are easily accessible to small children, animals that clearly look unhealthy, animals of all kinds being sold to kids that clearly appear to under 18. I am sure that other shows are the same, but talk about RESPONSIBILTY, I am sure I am gonna take a nice hard hit on this one, but clearly I think the reptile community needs to take a look at some of the persona it gives off, and realize that it is some of our own actions that bring these bills to surface.




Pa does enforce laws when called. And they are patrolling shows more than ever.

Why pick on venomous? No claims in PA in many many years mainly because the owners are either VERY lucky or they just might have enough common sense to being doing something right.

Hamburg, personally I don't think there should be anyone under 18 there period. I know there are plenty of great teenagers out there but I have to set a number somewhere. The place is packed tight enough without the stroller situation. If I saw abuse I would certainly report it. If you don't report it, you are damaging the hobby as bad as the abuser is.
 
Kylie,

I don't know if you happened to catch this in the article that you posted a link to above, but the caption under the photo, it clearly states that the woman was holding a boa. It looks to me that this is a carpet python.

One more example as to why we as reptile keepers need to step up to the plate and be heard. Here are elected officials, voted into office by we the people, salaries paid by we the people, telling us what we can and cannot have as pets, when as depicted in the link above, they clearly are uneducated and have no idea what we have.
 
Once weather warms up a little more we will be walking our animals around town as we do every year.
This year I would like to take a petition with us against Bill 2233 (3155).
If anyone could help me figure out where we can get an online one started, that would be awesome.
Thanks
 
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