Other buyer chiming in
Lydia and I paid for Vegan Cupcake on March 16th. We each paid $275 dollars which included shipping. I emailed myself all the texts and I am cutting and pasting them from the email into this thread. I can take pics of the texts and the phone number or upload in a different way if needed. I find this whole thing to be a great tragedy. VC does not appear to be in good health. I know many people truly love the gecko-myself included-and I hope that Derek will turn her over to one of us so that we can bring her back to health.
March 16 between Derek Beando and myself.
Is Vegan Cupcake still available?
Yeah
Have you bred her this season already?
No shes still cooling she came to me gravid by screamer from crown jewel and she laid her last clutch at the end of december
You are asking 550 shipped?
Yeah thats exactly what i paid for her and i didnt even get to breed her so im asking what i paid for her
K. Is she in good health-still have her tail and at a good weight etc? And when would you be able to ship?
Yeah shes got no problems she eats good not a fan of bugs once in a while she will eat 1 cricket or waxworm but eats cgd other than that has her tail my scaleis Broken so im not sure of her weight and i plan on shipping by the end of the month i have alot of geckos going out and im not takin any chance with temps bein To low i would like to see overnight hit 45 i got a gecko in 40 degree weather before and it arrived doa so i like it to be a little warmer than some others but Ive never had a doa
Yikes. Fair enough.
Yeah its just a safety precaution especially when dealing with such an expensive animal paypal is
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Ok I'm talking with my partner. We want her. Just finalizing details.
Alright sounds good. Do u have any other questions?
Let me ask her and see. Do you know old she is?
I think this new season will be her fourth breeding season im not sure how old exactly
She lays consistently without issue from what you have seen?
She laid 1 clutch and they both hatched out fine thats all i have seen
Oh, so you haven't had her that long I'm guessing? Who are you on Pandora btw? Pangea...sorry
Shes had a ton of nice babies for crownjewel just follow the link in the ad and look at all the awesome offspring she made Whats pandora?
Pangea-I had a brain fart
Ive only had her since october i beleive Alottarhac is my site
Ok. Any idea who her parents were or who produced her?
No erica didnt know when i bought her She knew it wasnt ac reptiles at least i had a nice ac red pinner male i was going to breed her to. So what are u thinking
I am sending you 225 from Lorna Redmond. Lydia Sandia will send you the other 225. She will be shipped to me.
You should have mine.
Thats only 450 shes 550
Lol-dang it. Got too excited. Hang on...
Lol just send 50 more and have your friend send 275
Ok you will have 4 payments from us but it should be right now.
Awesome ill check it in a minute
Are we good?
Yeah i was juust texting u i got it thanks very much
Who hoo! So you are shipping at the end of this month or watching the weather and shipping sooner if temps are high?
Watching weather i dont think it will be warm enough till the end of march u know
Next series is sent March 18
My partner has had some disturbing news from a potential buyer of yours. She has sent recent pics of VC looking thin and depleted. Clearly not in a breed able condition-possibly ill?
Shes in cooling mode she doesnt look ill she looks a little skinny from not touching tthe fig diet i got my normal cgd in today and im gona try to give her bugs Those pics taken off of my cell make her look awful she doesnt look like that in person i can guarantee that i even told the guy the pics come out awful
(note-not a guy who sent us the pics)
I would never put up a sick animal this person wanted pics from my cell so he got them theres no way shes deathly ill she will be up to a good size once u get Hey and i get some cgd and mayb 1 acricket into her. I dont sell sick animals...im not a scumbad lol So? Besides im treating everyone wirh flagyll and reptaid so if it is an illselll it will go away i just think she doesnt like fig diest she hasnt touched it at all
Ok. I will send all this to Lydia. Has she been pooping at all? Is she in a communal cage?
Yeah she poos she was in a community cage i think one my solid red girls who a beat at 55 grams was bulling vegan. As soon i noticed the weight loss i put her In her own cagw with paper towlsso i can moniter poop whe just doesnt like fig diet lol dhe wudnt touch it in her communoty cage of her own. Im waiting to get And 8 pound bag offfood normla cgd vat tower. Any other questions i sent u a pid so u can see shes not ill looking shes a little slim yeah xause she layed eggs and wont touch her food thatsy i put her alone Listen im tryin to take care of them the best i can. If i didnt care i would have orderd flagyyl and normal cgd just for her u know? Ans housed her alone so i can moniter her. I guarantee shell be fine once i get the normal cgd in her. Do u have any oth questions or concerns? And those 2 pics Were takin from my cell phonecamera which syx and i was in a rush and she wouldnt sit still, even in the first pic u can see her chunkyness Or second rather whichever one shes on my hand its gotta be the angle and choppiness cause she doesnt look like that in person
Ok. How much weight do you think she has lost? I have Kung pao here on a breeder loan and I wanted to put the two of them together. I don't mind nursing a gecko but I have a problem doing it by surprise with a 550 price tag. Also it's making my partner want to bail. Plus this is going to seriously affect my profits.
She will be in fine health by the time u get her this only started when i changed their food so i put her alone and ill make her put back on the weight she lost Ill send u a better pic later not from my cell phone so u can see how she actually looks. Its not like the pixa makw it seem i can guarantee that. Obvisously sh Is gona lose weight from not eating and im not sure i gota get my scale back from a friend Lets see how she looks when i go to ship her and u can make up ur mind then
Ok. I'll pass it all to Lydia and see what she says.
Shes going through a rough patch i will take all necesary precautions to keep her in good healt between laying and food change and refusal to eat bugs adds up Makes me wonder if erica used clarks diet
Is she still laying?
No shes cooling she laid last clutch in december i believe and they both hatched out fine and around that same time i got the fig diet i feel wicked bad for her Now like its my fault i tried to give them a treat lol
Are any of others showing weight loss?
My other geckos? No i dont have any parasites or anythin going around thank god that would suck. Someone i sold to had his whoe colony die because of that
I'll ask Erica about the Clark's. And yeah I can't have an outbreak while I have Kung P here and just purchased several high end AC girls either. I think what bothers us is that it seems like you hid this when I asked you point blank about health and weight. It brings everything into question, you know?
I think shes fine personally i think its becaue of the food because as soon as i switched this started no1 else is showing weight loss so i assume she will be Back up to size in no time shes gonna pig out on her cgd in her new cage by herself. Im not hiding anything those are crappy cell pics i will borow ny friends Dslr camera whihctakes great pics and send you a pic of what she really looks like, the cell pics make it look awful sorry but ill get u better ones and you wil See its not that serious, plus i went away to a funeral for a week and i dont think the girl came once to feed or water them poor babies
Ok. Looking forward to seeing the new pics.
Yeah dont worry im not trying to sell any sick animals i want to have a good reputation u know ill shoot u a text in a while to get your email addy
K
March 19th
I think Lydia is trying to send you an email re Vegan Cupcake. I spoke with her yesterday but she is still concerned.
I apologize i havent been around my phone or computer at all. I need to get my camera back from my x so i can send u a brand new pic of cupcake so u can see how She looks. The phone pics look terrible i understand the concern but i would have warned u if something was really wrong. I found out where my x is staying so Tomorow im going there with a police officer to get my stuff back from her my camera included Ill send the pics tomorow and i guarantee she will be in good health i got the new food in and im gona give her some reptiaid to boost her electrolytes and
Wow-sounds like a bad breakup for sure. Wish you luck with that.
All that. Shes still nice and energetic doesnt seem lethargic or sick at all. I guarantee she will be healthy Thanks and it was she took a bunch of stuff one day i was gone luckily everything is in my name. Im not tryna screw anybody over i think its just the cell Camera making her look blocky cause in person her bones definitly dont stick out
I understand. Hopefully the new pics (engage date n time function so theres no doubt) will clear things up...but L would like a vet report with a fecal to prove no entamoeba is present. Do you have someone who can run the fecal for her?
March 21
How did everything go yesterday?
March 22 10:47
Haven't heard from you...any progress on pics?
March 22 1:16
Derek...I know you are going through stuff in your personal life and I'm not trying to bust your chops over this, but I'm sure you can understand that we have a pretty good sized investment to lose if VC dies. Even more if she takes our colonies with her. I have over 50 and Lydia has over 200 just in cresties so you see where we might be jumpy about entomoeba. If the fecal shows VC has worms I don't mind treating her for that-we just need to be sure it isn't something deadly.
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After this Lydia takes over. I will try to post all the pics as well. We never received 'new pics' just the cell phone shots from the other buyer and one from Derek.
Good people are respected for a reason. All of these poor people who were stolen from deserve justice. 
