Bad Guy Bruce Cowan - AKA - Nyteshade

[Amelanistic Orca]

I believe I said bash fest was done in my last post. I ain't gonna argue. It's done. Closed. Whatever you wanna call it

Well.. You're new and now done? Or, refund based on the false genes? Forget the illness and death, because of you I'll go ahead and toss your way.. That is not an Enchi! You're done in my book for that alone, and the pics of your Boa's.... My goodness.... take better care of you snakes! (that's me being nice too..)

Choice is actually yours? (Ripley's Believe It Or Not!) You could/might/maybe continue on with a refund and an apology, which I haven't seen... I will add this too.. Be careful who you do this to in the future. Might just winding up stirring the wrong type of person!

 

[hhmoore]

Well, if the OP didn't show anything close to you offering a refund upon return of the snakes, and you can't show that you said it, what we are left with is the responses we can see in this thread. Those don't show you in a good light, and you haven't tried to deny them.
It was your first time shipping, and the OP made a point of saying you were guided though the process. Does that mean you did everything correctly? No...but there were no complaints voiced by the buyer at the time.
The problem I have is that there were no initial complaints...in fact, the buyer initially posted a good guy thread - so it certainly appeared as if he was satisfied. IF the snake arrived showing symptoms, they were missed by the buyer. I will readily admit that there have been times that I have been unable to do much of an examination on a new arrival - but I took the time to report that to the seller, in the hope that if I did find something amiss a day or two later (when I did look it over) it would leave us in good position to resolve any problems.
From my place on the sidelines, I see issues on both sides...but the question that remains is what was the condition of the snake when it arrived. We may never know with any degree of certainty; but the seller will not have an easy time recovering from his responses to this situation....and his conspicuous absence at the time didn't help. It would seem that the only reason he came to this thread was because it came back to haunt him when he tried to start selling again.

I'd like the buyer (Mr Adams) to respond to Mr Cowan's claims about the emails....it will still be one person's word against another's, if he disputes them; but, if he confirms them, it will add another layer to the puzzle.

 

[deborahbroadus]

Some of the excuses that you emailed me yesterday, but I am just now finding the email...(not the ones in the PM) are below:

This is a message from Nyteshade at FaunaClassifieds ( http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/index.php ). The FaunaClassifieds owners cannot accept any responsibility for the contents of the email.

To email Nyteshade, you can use this online form:
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/sendmessage.php?do=mailmember&u=95884

OR, by email:
mailto:[email protected]

This is the message:

I followed the link and read it. funny thing is i was cooperative with him and he never sent me that information. second. i was cooperative with him until he became aggressive. i gave no health guarantees nor even live arrival but i answered all his calls and emails. you can see in what he copied and pasted that i was cooperative. that snake was fine because i had her checked out when i got her. i offered a delayed return on the money till i got paid the next time since he wasnt gonna ship her back right away anyway. Obviously that part didnt get put in there. only the information that makes me look bad. I tried and he didnt wanna send me the information or the snake so i said ok then forget it.

Sir, let me explain my logic. If you have nothing to back up your claims, they are EXCUSES, not reasons. I originally was wishing that Rock Star (name just slipped my mind) would have posted more pictures in detail. The fact remains that my common sense tells me, it's VERY unlikely that the buyer got the snake, broke it's jaw (if it was broke...I think more likely misaligned), facilitated the snake's Mouth-rot, and then took it to the Vet to try and save it (spent money) and THEN KILLED it....

The above scenario is so unlikely that my common sense tells me that it had to have been ill when the buyer purchased the snake.

To add a foundation to the logic...looking at your pictures of the Boas and trusting the opinions of those that posted on the looks/appearances of the animals...they actually do look STARVED to me. Also, one of them, I would certainly demand that you cleaned up and posted recent pictures..those black smudges on the animal are not what I am used to seeing on an animal...but without closer inspection I won't even hazard a guess.

• STARVING (they really look underfed to me..especially the brighter one)
• Unidentified black smudges
• 2 snakes in one tank and you haven't shown us a receipt of where you acquired the animals if you recently purchased them after getting out of snakes (shouldn't have to ASK you to do this)
• Show the emails that you claim are not there
• Claimed you were out of the business, but here you are back...with snakes that if they were recently purchased don't look very healthy...

That's enough circumstantial evidence right there for my common sense to SCREAM at me.

Since I'm in a "gossipy" mood...anything else you send me will be posted here in it's entirety. I am not your best friend, nor your savior, so please don't waste time insulting my intelligence. If you have no evidence then it's a waste of time emailing or PMing me.

 

[Reptilecam]

I have to say that it is pretty dissapointing to see how everyone reacts and immediatly starts pointing the blame at the OP. When the other side of the party did not chime in once to say there side of the story. You would think him being the one stating his side would have some ground to stand on, but everyone immediatly starts throwing stones. He admits fault when he said he did not check the snake properly upon arrival but still everyone points at him for not doing so. I just dont see the need to argue back and forth over the facts he has already admited fault to. Its also funny how the one time the seller chimes in is when yet another one of his adds was questioned.
Nyteshate if you feel he has taken clips of emails out of his posts then why dont you show yours?
It isnt just this thread that people begin trolling over either.

 

[deborahbroadus]

I have to say that it is pretty dissapointing to see how everyone reacts and immediatly starts pointing the blame at the OP. When the other side of the party did not chime in once to say there side of the story. You would think him being the one stating his side would have some ground to stand on, but everyone immediatly starts throwing stones. He admits fault when he said he did not check the snake properly upon arrival but still everyone points at him for not doing so. I just dont see the need to argue back and forth over the facts he has already admited fault to. Its also funny how the one time the seller chimes in is when yet another one of his adds was questioned.
Nyteshate if you feel he has taken clips of emails out of his posts then why dont you show yours?
It isnt just this thread that people begin trolling over either.

I don't know about others, but THAT right there was MY problem. There was no immediate notice...there was no "dependable string of evidence." The OP had LEFT, and had not CHECKED/taken pictures/recorded events (his Vet statement is in pieces, the dead animal is upside down). He's been here long enough to know the ropes.

While the buyer's story was likely, given the fact that I don't personally know him, can't vouch for the story, and the string of evidence was broken... and he wasn't asking for anything... I had to wait to see if the Seller would hang himself. They usually do, when they think they've gotten over...they come back.

Time was on the OP's side since he wasn't actually asking for anything, but rather he was ALERTING us to an issue, and some of us questioned him to make sure we understood what happened and who shared what blame (were we supposed to automatically side with the OP because he was here longer?) Thanks to the OP's alert some noticed that the seller was back and had suggested that the R.I could have happened during the trip (I am of the camp that believes that 2 days will not cause an R.I in a healthy animal, they are more hardy than we think). I think the OP did what he set out to do, and I believe the BOI worked! We were alerted and we watched for the seller to come back.

 

[Wilomn]

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[*]Claimed you were out of the business, but here you are back. If you have no evidence then it's a waste of time emailing or PMing me.

(I am of the camp that believes that 2 days will not cause an R.I in a healthy animal, they are more hardy than we think). I think the OP did what he set out to do, and I believe the BOI worked! We were alerted and we watched for the seller to come back.

Bit of personal resonation there, eh ms. broadus?

Also, you never did answer my question when I originally asked it at the beginning of this thread so I'll ask it again.

What personal experience with RIs do you have? Are you merely basing your opinion of the RI and its stage and severity on the experiences that others have posted about what they, not you, have personally experienced?

 

[deborahbroadus]

Bit of personal resonation there, eh ms. broadus?

Also, you never did answer my question when I originally asked it at the beginning of this thread so I'll ask it again.

What personal experience with RIs do you have? Are you merely basing your opinion of the RI and its stage and severity on the experiences that others have posted about what they, not you, have personally experienced?

"Personal resonation?" I didn't intentionally put that in there, as I wasn't feeling that, and probably do not know which feelings would be attached to that word, but if that's what you got out of it, ok.

I can't prove a negative. I have NEVER had an R.I in my collection (knock on wood). I know enough from research, Dr. Mader's book: http://www.amazon.com/dp/072169327X...f-refURL=http://herpetology.com/medbooks.html to recognize the signs (symptoms), and I've done enough research to trust my judgement.

I am basing my opinion on what I know from my own researches. I don't have to get a cold, to be able to recognize someone having one, and I don't have to have one to know how long it takes to incubate, or how the germs are even transferred...some information lends itself to common sense (at least this has been my experience in life).

 

[Wilomn]

"Personal resonation?" I didn't intentionally put that in there, as I wasn't feeling that, and probably do not know which feelings would be attached to that word, but if that's what you got out of it, ok.

I can't prove a negative. I have NEVER had an R.I in my collection (knock on wood). I know enough from research, Dr. Mader's book: http://www.amazon.com/dp/072169327X...f-refURL=http://herpetology.com/medbooks.html to recognize the signs (symptoms), and I've done enough research to trust my judgement.

I am basing my opinion on what I know from my own researches. I don't have to get a cold, to be able to recognize someone having one, and I don't have to have one to know how long it takes to incubate, or how the germs are even transferred...some information lends itself to common sense (at least this has been my experience in life).

Uh huh, so let me see if I've got this right.

You have NO personal experience, but you've done some research and you trust yourself. Is that correct?

I'm going to go get a book on how to program rockets. I'll send my next missive from the moon, because I trust myself to understand and comprehend things with which I have NEVER had any personal experience with. In fact, I am so sure that I can glean all I ever need to know by reading a few pages that I'm going to go find some sites dedicated to space flight and educate them too. Heck, those guys with years and years of personal hands on experience can't know any more than a bright guy like me who will have read a few articles and put together a couple models, now could they?

I feel a warm wind, was that you?

 

[Reptilecam]

We all know snakes are good at hiding illness the RI could easily have been attained earlier and the stress of shipment could have brought it out. Deborah was simply stating her opinion on the matter its not like she is telling you the absolute trust so there is no need to bash her for it. Thats the problem with these BOI's is because people are so easy to jump off topic and bash others because they didnt like what they said.
The buyer posted his emails, posted his vet bills and gave sufficient evidence. I dont even think the morph is relavent at this point. I dont know anyone that expects to have to pay large vet bills upon recieving animals. He accepted fault and considered it a lost, meaning he doesnt expect the seller to refund his money which he clearly should.

 

[Nyteshade]

Those unidentified smudges are ink because I had them on newspaper when I first got them. If you see the other picture you will notice they are on aspen to take care of the problem. The male is not starved. He eats every week and to the gentlemen who sai the female ate to big of a rat that I just a weanling. I can say that 100% sure because that's the only size I have right now. And Ty wilomn. I personally see alot of opinions going around but very little fact. This thread has become a giant troll more directed at degrading someone than worrying about snakes. And everyone freaking about the boas can chill. They are not adults so they are not gonna be as big as my arm. They are not ball pythons. They all get fed an appropriate size rat on Saturday

 

[Reptilecam]

Everyone has opinions because you failed to state any proof on the incident but keep saying otherwise.

 

[Reptilecam]

Also your boas look like my male albino after breeding season and a 3 month fast. I dont know why you keep using "they are young and growing" as an excuse because all my younger boas are not that skinny.

 

[laterob]

Bruce - tell me you don't think that weaned rats are appropriate-sized for those boas. When a bunch of people tell you that a snake looks skinny (add me to that list), you shouldn't argue with them. You said that you'd listen to appropriate criticism. Well, people are giving you some and you are denying it. Personally, at 1 year old, I switch to feeding every other week, and they should be on small rats by then.

 

[Nyteshade]

Oh! and the reason they are both together is for the picture. they are kept in seperate containers. you can tell absolutely nothing from those pictures cept that they have a ink smudge on them because im used to darker morphs and didnt think bout the ink. That problem has been resolved. Until you have come to my residence and seen how they are taken care of i think it would be a good idea for anyone who is not immediatly involved to mind their own instead of throwing opinions in on a thread because it looks like fun. The point of the BOI has apparently been forgotten because all i see is Trolls trolls trolls

 

[Nyteshade]

you feed a small rat every other week. i feed one size down once every week so that it doesnt hurt them from feeding a larger meal every week. How is it that the male is "horribly thin" and the female is eating to big of a rat if the snakes are the same size eating the same thing at the same time. as aforementioned this thread is ridiculous. reptilecam. your about 3 months behind on this post. find another past time.

 

[Reptilecam]

The point of the BOI is to inform others, I believe there are several people who have been informed. I was at first interested in your sunglow add however seeing pictures made me stray away. So no I was not immediately involved but as a potential customer have an opinion on the quality of the animals.

 

[Nyteshade]

And it wouldnt matter if i "refund his money and apologize" this post is still here as is the BOI so it makes no difference what i do.

 

[Reptilecam]

Although Im 3 months behind you have also been 3 months behind by not responding to it earlier.

 

[Reptilecam]

If you refunded the money he could easily put his imput onto this thread and say it was made RIGHT. Then this could have been a sucess story however it now just stays here to warn others.

 

[Nyteshade]

if i had known it was here i would have. i saw the part on my main profile but had no idea about this thread or it would have been responded to. Had i seen those pictures of the vet paperwork and the snake i would have refunded his money the cost of shipping and the vet bill. he did not send me those however nor did i know they were on here. Thats why it has ended up like this. all that i required was a few pictures of proof. Not to hard to put them on here but to hard to email them to the person who needs them.