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Lucille said:
Have you read your own post?
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Yep, uniformed people tend to sway people to chose easy solutions. Some cops get in the middle of fun stuff like this (and domestic, custody etc cases), others push for it to go in front of a judge. Never hurts to try for easy solutions.
 
Really?

suzuki4life said:
Payment given has not been defined as a deposit by the buyer to his acknowledgement

I'd contact the police with a copy of this post in hand to ensure the seller can not deny receipt of payment. I would ask for them to retrieve my payment or press charges. It would then be up to them to take action or encourage the buyer to address this civilly through the small claims court.
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The buyer stated in his text he could put money down so it wouldn't go anywhere. Which to me = hold/deposit.

I'd be interested to see what the police told you on that. On such a small matter that could so easily go either way? I think the resources alone needed to bring this before a judge would get you laughed out of the station. Tying up the police from doing something constructive for how many hours, attorneys fees, filing fees, time off work to deal with nonsense, tying up the courts and wasting the time of all involved? Really?
 
suzuki4life said:
Yep, uniformed people tend to sway people to chose easy solutions. Some cops get in the middle of fun stuff like this (and domestic, custody etc cases), others push for it to go in front of a judge. Never hurts to try for easy solutions.
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What you are suggesting is not an "easy solution." it's imo an attempt to bypass an agreement and beat the seller out of his time.

I am not one that will pander and mollycoddle those buyers who chose to play around with money that they don't have. If the buyer went to Vegas and gambled and lost, how do you think management would respond?

I am frankly tired of people getting into a business which they have NO CLUE how business is transacted and I am not going to give a deposit back to some such that want to play with the big boys and then WHINE when life throws some curves. :rofl:

The buyer attempted to purchase and the implied agreement is as valid as if the seller had written everything down word for word. There would still be people telling the seller to give the money back or give a credit even if the seller had a TOS.

The seller has the right to conduct his business as he sees fit as long as he is not scamming anyone, or breaking any implied agreements.
 
im sorry deborah i disagree about the implied agreement you can not assume the buyers know anything
that is the reason people make the TOS to protect them
as for this situation its very hard but the things i dont like is the seller sold the snake when the buyer has shown proof of being at the hospital
and the seller has chose to start a bad guy thread when hes keeping the money
no matter what this is going to have people on both sides but as a seller myself even after everything that has gone on (including implied TOS) i would still refund the money 100% of the time or atleast offer him something else as a replacement (if he didnt want anything his money would be refunded)
if anything him making this bad guy BOI without the money refunded makes him look like a bad guy (not saying i think that just alot of people will)
 
Return the man his money, practice being a humanitarian and come out the bigger person.

I too, was recently a poor college student. I do emphasize, but $100 is not worth being a stain in the reptile industry, whether you're a corporation or an individual.:yesnod:
 
I always require a nonrefundable deposit to hold animals. I've never had a situation where a buyer backed out, but I would keep the deposit if I felt it was justified. In a situation like this one, I think things might have gone differently had the buyer just said something like "hey I have had some unexpected family medical issues and I can no longer complete the purchase." Instead, he said would pick up the snake and did not (leading the seller to rearrange his schedule for no reason on more than one occasion), and said he would send payment but did not. For me at least, if the buyer was up front from the get go, that might change howi would handle the issue if I were in the seller's shoes.
 
well I guess not matter who made the BOI we would be at this point and its probably always going to be split 40%/20%/40% 40% in your favor 20% who cant make up their minds and 40% that think you wrong
my thoughts are return the money the snake is sold
there was no TOS and you cant assume things
im not saying you keeping the money makes you a bad guy at all
but it doesnt make you a good guy
 
See what happens when people start pandering to "hard luck" stories? It starts a trend and people start expecting the seller to always give the money/deposits back if someone has a "run of hard luck."

That's LIFE, deal with it.
 
well the simple fact is when the deposit was made no agreement of it being non refundable was made it wasn't until the snake was sold it came into play
and the fact that the snake was sold so he got full value of the snake he didn't lose any value on the snake
the seller needs a TOS or something that says he wont refund a deposit if he doesn't want to run into this problem in the future
 
mikepanzarella said:
well the simple fact is when the deposit was made no agreement of it being non refundable was made it wasn't until the snake was sold it came into play
and the fact that the snake was sold so he got full value of the snake he didn't lose any value on the snake
the seller needs a TOS or something that says he wont refund a deposit if he doesn't want to run into this problem in the future
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The seller did state that he had to leave work to meet up with the buyer. I would also be willing to bet that the seller did not stop feeding the animal while waiting for the buyer to follow through.

I understand that the cost of food over a few weeks is not $100 but it still has to count for something as does the leaving work to meet up and having it not happen.
 
I would personally offer the buyer a $100 credit towards another animal. I would allow the buyer to choose then set a date that the deal can be completed by both parties.
 
mikepanzarella said:
well the simple fact is when the deposit was made no agreement of it being non refundable was made it wasn't until the snake was sold it came into play
and the fact that the snake was sold so he got full value of the snake he didn't lose any value on the snake
the seller needs a TOS or something that says he wont refund a deposit if he doesn't want to run into this problem in the future
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You are being ILLOGICAL and not addressing all aspects of the situation. Regardless of whether or not the seller managed to find another buyer (good animals will always find a buyer) he is out of the missed arrangement times, he is out of the extra money it took to feel the animal and keep the animal healthy during that time (cleanings etc). It does NOT matter, at least to me, that he can make more... as another member stated... "Time is money." The seller wasted time, resources and money on this transaction. But some are only focusing on the fact that in the end the animal did sell.

If we are to provide oversight of the reptile community's business transactions, then it should be fair to ALL and not just to those pushing hard luck stories in the Joy Luck Club.:dgrin:
 
deborahbroadus said:
See what happens when people start pandering to "hard luck" stories? It starts a trend and people start expecting the seller to always give the money/deposits back if someone has a "run of hard luck."

That's LIFE, deal with it.
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While I partially agree with your hardened perspective (with a mindset like that, it's easier for character development), the reality is that the action of the seller depends on his morale subjectivity without any legal prints made available to the buyer, or in this case - the potential buyer.

The quality of our reptile industry has been vastly questionable, in a very insidious way socially, hence the need for BOI and its popular usage. What I will say is this - the kind of political fragmentation that is taking place in our hobby, and the dislike and suspicion people of each other is making it virtually impossible to govern intelligently without BOI. I see no culture ladies and gentlemen, just dead ends.
 
hempmilk said:
While I partially agree with your hardened perspective (with a mindset like that, it's easier for character development), the reality is that the action of the seller depends on his morale subjectivity without any legal prints made available to the buyer, or in this case - the potential buyer.

The quality of our reptile industry has been vastly questionable, in a very insidious way socially, hence the need for BOI and its popular usage. What I will say is this - the kind of political fragmentation that is taking place in our hobby, and the dislike and suspicion people of each other is making it virtually impossible to govern intelligently without BOI. I see no culture ladies and gentlemen, just dead ends.
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Hardened? Try COMMON SENSE. :rolleyes:

Those big words used do not in any way "uplift" the transaction to anything more than it is. A BUSINESS TRANSACTION in which the BUYER displayed questionable actions in the transaction and the seller tried his best to work with him.

It's not a moral issue because the seller has committed no wrongs, broken no
"Good Faith" contracts, and has not mislead the buyer in anyway, based on a THOROUGH read of the facts.
 
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