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Bad Guy Beware of Casey Lauren Byiers (Rhasputin/EVLV/Eccentric Evolution)

Gary, how can you say that someone communicating to the rightful owner saying she has her mouse, but won't turn it over even if the police come is in any way shape or form less than an unethical thief?

The organizer has stepped forward, from day 1, to try and do the right thing. She has contacted Stina and Casey to say that the mouse belongs to and needs to go to Stina. Probably it was only because the organizer stepped in that Casey admitted she had Stina's mouse in the first place. However even with this knowledge and with the rightful owner and police present, Casey refused to surrender the mouse.


Last you read, Casey offered to give the mouse to Stina,, yes, but that was stated as no earlier than next week, and she is still suggesting that Stina will have to make a second 12 hour round trip drive to claim what's rightfully hers. And do you feel given that Stina has already shown up asking for the mouse AFTER Casey admitted it belonged to Stina, that this time will be any different?

Oh and to continue speaking about the litter concern - As of tomorrow, the mice will have been in the country for 14 days. They were in the UK waiting to be shipped for 3 days. How long before those 17 days were the mice bred, since the gestation period is approximately 21 days? So when Casey says the earliest she can even think about getting Stina her mouse back is a week away... she needs to try harder to show she wants to relinquish this mouse.
 
I'm no sure what my mother has to do with anything,or the transaction between you and her, unless it was a cheap shot to discredit me implying I'm a young kid because my mother was with me.



I guess I keep mistaking something. Please tell me where I'm wrong:

*** I thought, taking something that didn't belong to you was stealing.

*** I thought that acknowledging that it doesn't belong to you, but then not giving it back to the person who is the rightful owner is theft.

*** I thought that telling someone something that is false, so that you may take something that doesn't belong to you is considered taking something under false pretenses.

With those statements, where am I false and totally out of line.


Also, just curious what your take is on who is to blame when one of those "on your honor" maple syrup stands are robbed. I'm assuming it is the owner of the stand's fault. The person stealing could certainly not be at fault there. I mean, they left it out by the road, what were they thinking.

You are right, she is a stand up person and we should all strive to do dealings with the same level of maturity and ethics.
 
The police did nothing because this isn't theft, its a civil dispute. They both received property in exchange for their payment.

If someone sent a cop to my door to resolve an issue, I would be less than pleasant also. I would also feel a sense of justified once the cop left empty handed. Not implying the situation is "right" but these were the circumstances that reinforced the resulting behavior.

Casey has agreed to surrender the mouse from what i read. As long as Christina receives the mouse, I think she's doing great and got what she paid for and then some. (since I haven't seen where she agreed to how Casey gets the mouse she paid for in return)
 
Casey can and should do the same thing that was already done and that she rejected Stina for doing- drive 6 hours with the mouse, acting in good faith to make the swap.
 
StinaUIUC said:
So Casey is trying to keep my doe, said its all the organizer's mistake and her original "compromise" was that I could trade her back the buck AFTER she has a litter there...
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What you have is an inexperienced organizer who probably is thinking, Never again! If she does hopefully she has an enforcer with her next time. I'm sure she feels horrible.

Then you have a Thief. Not only is she a Thief but some one who is willing to make what should have been a fun and enjoyable time for a club into an aggravating mess.

With the organizer people can at least come away with knowledge and ideas on how to avoid some problems in the future. The organizer can at least say she got some education from this.

The Thief? Nothing. A Thief is a Thief. Being shunned may sting a bit but with in a day or 2 or 3 she will be working her next scam.
 
Gary, you're full of it and just looking for a fight. Did you perhaps not get in on this deal and are now taking it out on those who did?

The organizer was a volunteer. You keep trying to make this out to be some sort of regular business exchange which it was not. A bunch of people with no experience got together and casey ripped them off, admitted it, refused to make it right, is currently stalling and is probably hoping that you keep up the deflection.

Do you maybe have something worked out with casey if she does get a litter? Are we going to see you with this type of mouse for sale in the next few months?

casey screwed stina. Why doesn't matter. Who let her doesn't matter. The plain and simple is that she did, it was wrong and now she should make it right. Her stank is started to stick to you gary.
 
This is about morality, not law.

Casey had the funds to make it to the airport, and to purchase mice (despite trying to make off with them without paying.) And now we're expected to believe she's so broke that mouse has to stay with her another week?

If she doesn't take the request to send the mouse to the neutral third party, that will answer a lot.

I've got a sudden urge to import mice. :dgrin:
 
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Wilomn said:
Gary, you're full of it and just looking for a fight. Did you perhaps not get in on this deal and are now taking it out on those who did?

The organizer was a volunteer. You keep trying to make this out to be some sort of regular business exchange which it was not. A bunch of people with no experience got together and casey ripped them off, admitted it, refused to make it right, is currently stalling and is probably hoping that you keep up the deflection.

Do you maybe have something worked out with casey if she does get a litter? Are we going to see you with this type of mouse for sale in the next few months?

casey screwed stina. Why doesn't matter. Who let her doesn't matter. The plain and simple is that she did, it was wrong and now she should make it right. Her stank is started to stick to you gary.
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Shadera said:
This is about morality, not law.

Casey had the funds to make it to the airport, and to purchase mice (despite trying to make off with them without paying.) And now we're expected to believe she's so broke that mouse has to stay with her another week?

If she doesn't take the request to send the mouse to the neutral third party, that will answer a lot.

I've got a sudden urge to import mice. :dgrin:
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The part I'm confused about is: aren't there two mice that need to be exchanged?

Seems like a bunch of hassle over some mice with weird hair do's to me.
 
Yes, I have a male for casey. He is healthy and, so far as I can tell, happy. I had him with me in their house when I went there to try to exchange. If casey wants me to give him to a 3rd party until we exchange i would be happy to do so. As of right now he is in a cage on his own.

Gary, I don't understand why you keep standing up for casey here....regardless of the legality of situation, casey took the wrong animal and knows it. The police could not do anything at her house b/c all I had as evidence were printed out pm's and text messages, which the officer told me they CANNOT use as proof of anything....and casey flat out lied to her.
 
If the organizer called the police and reported she took an animal that did not belong to her (which you are claiming she did. eg: theft). They would have charged her with theft the minute she admitted to having the animal and most likely seized it on sight.

However, she had a right to have an animal because she did purchase one. the issue is "if" it is the "right one". That falls to a judge to decide and the cop wanted nothing to do with it.


I know the three of you about the same as the other.

Christina pm'd me multiple times here until I sold her pygmy mice. Elena and I have met once and shared some pm's on a message board. I bought candy from her mom at the show. Super nice lady btw. Casey and I talked at the same show mere feet from both Elena and Christina. I have text both Casey and Christina. I have enncouraged both Christina and Casey to find a resolution.

My impression: Casey and Christina had tension between them prior to me ever meeting either one of them. Elena displayed tension also. I think Christina has a breeding pair currently in her possession and I honestly believe she will get her female back. I have nothign to gain from any of this. I have never done business with Casey and I doubt i will in the future for many reasons.
 
suzuki4life said:
The part I'm confused about is: aren't there two mice that need to be exchanged?

Seems like a bunch of hassle over some mice with weird hair do's to me.
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She's never said she's not willing to trade back. :shrug01:

And by the same token, a lot of people on the outside looking in at snake deals gone wrong can't understand what all the fuss is about over animals they'd as soon whack with a shovel.
 
Shadera said:
She's never said she's not willing to trade back. :shrug01:

And by the same token, a lot of people on the outside looking in at snake deals gone wrong can't understand what all the fuss is about over animals they'd as soon whack with a shovel.
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yeah but I've read multiple posts on multiple boards and the pressure has been to use an outside source to make delivery to christina possible but it doesn't mention an exchange. I can see the argument that Christina drove to her once so its casey's turn. I can also see the side that says if Christina really wants it now, she'll drive for it. (or if Casey wants to save any reputation she has left, vice versa) Its a tennis match I guess.


People don't need to be looking in to think it. Everytime I think about the things i have gone through, amounts spent in cash and time....I think i should see a shrink.
 
My impression: Casey and Christina had tension between them prior to me ever meeting either one of them. Elena displayed tension also. I think Christina has a breeding pair currently in her possession and I honestly believe she will get her female back. I have nothign to gain from any of this. I have never done business with Casey and I doubt i will in the future for many reasons.
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There was not tension between casey and myself prior. At least not from my end.

We did not think to have the organizer call the police, I didn't want to go the route of the police at all. If, according the organizer, casey took an animal that was not ordered for her, that is theft...plain and simple. If we have to go the route of the police again, we will, but I would really rather not mess with that and give casey the chance to make things right on her own.
 
yeah but I've read multiple posts on multiple boards and the pressure has been to use an outside source to make delivery to christina possible but it doesn't mention an exchange.
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You are wrong. Further up on this very page....

In the meantime, as mentioned, casey did say on b-p.net that she is going to give me the doe...but cannot afford to bring her to me right now... I can wait a short while if need be, but as other's have suggested the possiblity that she may be trying to hold out until the doe has a litter there that she might try to keep, I have requested (on b-p.net) that she give the doe to someone else for the timebeing until arrangements can be made to trade the animals.
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StinaUIUC said:
You are wrong. Further up on this very page....
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really? where in your quote is mentioning of you turning over the male? What about the posts on Bp.net about craigslist being utilized to transport a mouse to you, it doesn't mention transporting the other back. its all one sided.
 
Gary I really don't need you to be contacting me outside of this thread on this issue....I would appreciate it if you would stop....you are not doing anything helpful. I appreciate the pygmy mice that you sold me, but you don't know me at all, nor did you read tension from me where there was none. Our discussions online (in a few pm's) and in text were purely about the pygmies..and our meeting very brief. If there was tension from casey towards me I don't know why that would be...unless it was because you sold me the pygmy mice you were going to give to her free (though I had no idea until I got to rodentfest that you were the person she was going to get free pygmies from).
 
really? where in your quote is mentioning of you turning over the male? What about the posts on Bp.net about craigslist being utilized to transport a mouse to you, it doesn't mention transporting the other back. its all one sided.
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I NEVER suggested craigslist. That was someone else's suggestion.

Do not put words into my mouth that I never said.

Within the quote above...
give the doe to someone else for the timebeing until arrangements can be made to trade the animals.
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