Bad Guy TIBOR PAPP DEAL BREAKER

[Skanakis]

Lucille beautiful lady...we live in a underhanding world, that we do. Thank god for the BOI and good people. And investigators like you april dennis and that Harald guy and such. I wont agree with the sellers actions. But thinking of what COULD have happened.....This case IMO is just greed and bad business ethics. But the ending did come out better then most.

 

[Lucille]

The buyer did not get what he paid for. Saying that something could have been worse is an insult to those who come here with valid complaints.

 

[JPCBoas]

WHAT WE have here...is FAAAAILURE to communicate.....I don't like it any more than you......BUT....business wise, seller made a good move....ethic wise he made half a good move...in the sense he returned that check cause as we read on the BOI he could have cashed it....and never sent anything...or...sent 23-27 little critters which half would have croaked. (seeing in the email he wasnt so sure about sending them like that). Could be just an excuse anyways. But on a bad note. He kept people on strings to see who was bucking up the most. WHICH is not a bad move but he should have told the buyers i have people offering a little more then you. I have yet to meet a person who has ACCEPTED a deal without paypal clearing...or cash/check in hand and cleared. On ANY business level. Who knows. Few things here. MAIN thing. Check was returned. And im sure it was a hefty check. Seller should pay for bank check cancellation fee since seller went for a higher offer without notifying ALL parties there are multiple offers. WHICH is reasonable. Seller needed to inform first offer that there is a higher offer. OR if that shipping matter of a mass litter REALLY did bother him. Gotta give him kudos for that. SELLER should have accepted That paypal...unless he dont have an account. If not. GET ONE DUDE!!! Buyer should have sent it overnight....may not have even mattered but could have pursuaded the seller once check was in hand. Maybe not. Should have...could have...hes right...hes not right. Honestly....business ethics are fairly twisted....Can make an honest man crooked...Blame the seller for Greed? One of the greatest sins.....Good business bad ethics? Who knows. Unlikeable ethics but Great business? I remember taking an ethics class in College. In Greece. lol. Look where that Got them. Anyways....seems like huge failure of communicaton here. Or just plain greed. But in the end only 20 bucks lost.....seller should pay for cancellation of check.

More then just 20 bucks was lost. I lost out on 3 litters (one from Tibor) and the 2 I refused due to getting the litter that the deal was made on.How about the roller coaster ride of emotions saying you have the litter oh no I sold the litter,oh it yours again they don't have the money and the nope its not yours again.
How can you say this was a good business move?? Look up the definition of double deal. Here it is:
double-dealer - definition of double-dealer by the Free ...
dou·ble-deal·ing (d b l-d l ng) adj. Duplicitous or deceitful; treacherous. n. Duplicity or deceit; treachery. dou ble-deal er

 

[Skanakis]

oh and thanks for the bad karma.....Feels good i can speak an opinion even though a person disagrees. I read the thread. I agree on the double dealing/greed. I guess my experiences in business I know this happens in many things out there. Would i practice this kind of business....NO. Will i do business with that person? No. But i was just throwing another (spin, view, opinion, view point, etc). Still stating the greed and bad business practice upon the seller. I still stick to my view though. It SUCKS not getting what you were waiting for. But I still stand by what i said. IT could have ended alot WORSE. And the BOI and the people OF the boi....has again exposed someone who does bad business. And DAMN it im in the RED AGAIN!!!! hehehehe. I cant even begin to explain how great this BOI is for bringing out bad practice in this hobby as this selller has done.

 

[Skanakis]

oh....what i meant by putting another spin, view etc, i was trying just to make you feel better. Thats about it.

 

[Matt2979]

I'm really shocked at some of the people that I saw stand up for Tibor. Had the shoe been on the other foot and John put a stop-payment on the check and told Tibor that he changed his mind, AFTER the deal had been made, how would that have gone over? What's the difference? It's just plain bad business, no matter who did it.

I'll say this right now, no matter how good of a friend you are, and no matter how good of a deal we had yesterday or 10 years ago, if you pull this kind of crap, I'm not going to put my neck on the line to tell everyone, "he's the best person I've ever met and a great part of this hobby" or any other horse crap because I don't see how that statement holds any water. I'm glad that it wasn't any worse of a loss for the OP, but it's still bad business in my eyes, no matter how you spin it.

 

[Skanakis]

And with tht last statement from Matt. I agree. Matt actually straightened my words out. I'm just gonna be quiet before I go deeper in the red here.

 

[reticguy76]

Well put Matt.

 

[bloodybaroness]

Well said Matt.

I don't know Tibor from Adam's house cat, but I do know asking someone to send payment, then selling something out from under them is not good business.

If the price was a problem Tibor why did you agree to it? You could have easily said "no thanks" to the offer. If the speed of a check was a problem, why did you not accept the offers to have the money sent via paypal?

Also I have the same problem with the timeline that everyone else does.

How can this happen:

On 5-28-2012 at 11:32 he e-mailed me again saying they could not come up with the money so the litter is mine again if I wanted it.

If this is true:

05-31-2012, 07:21 PM
As for the snakes, they are already sold and have been for over a week now, so unfortunately I cannot offer them to him. I'm sorry.

Someone care to explain that?

 

[Will0W783]

Originally Posted by Summit Reptiles View Post

05-31-2012, 07:21 PM
As for the snakes, they are already sold and have been for over a week now, so unfortunately I cannot offer them to him. I'm sorry.

Summit Reptiles, would you care to explain how you had the snakes sold for over a week, when you had just received them (or maybe hadn't received them yet)? Selling animals you don't yet have is just poor business and really bad for the snakes. At the very least, it means you were not quarantining them, but just acting as a middleman. tsk tsk

 

[reticguy76]

My interpretation of these two timeline quotes is that the first one was, an email from Tibor saying the the snakes are his again since the op was not ablet to come up with the funds he wanted ??

and the second is that the ones who actually ended up with the snakes (not the op obviously), is probably a flipper and has already sold the litter, so the op cant be offered them as good faith retribution

 

[bloodybaroness]

Maybe so.

 

[reticguy76]

Just in case I offended anybody by the potential labeling of a "flipper", I would just like to let it be known, I have absolutely no problems at all with flippers, as long as they are ethical and quarantine properly prior to sales.
That seemed awful quick to buy them, then have them all gone, so proper quaratine techniques have to be in question here, or possibly he still has them and just is saying they sold, to avoid possibly giving retribution to the op

 

[aleria]

My interpretation of these two timeline quotes is that the first one was, an email from Tibor saying the the snakes are his again since the op was not ablet to come up with the funds he wanted ??

and the second is that the ones who actually ended up with the snakes (not the op obviously), is probably a flipper and has already sold the litter, so the op cant be offered them as good faith retribution

Actually that first quote was not that the OP couldn't come up with the funds, it was that this other third-party that he had sold the litter out from under the OP to suddenly couldn't come up with the funds and thus the litter would go to the OP.
Then later he yet again changed his mind and told the OP again that he would not get the litter and was going to sell them to yet another person.
Overall just plain shady.

 

[TIBOR PAPP]

are you guys still beating me up..I did say I'm guilty of not selling my boas to Joe correct?
my main reasons is a phone call from joe..and we are talking and I mention my concern for shipping a litter 27 babies..I mentioned one bag..with a good built box..I did not have 27 snake bags at the moment..and he said he didn't care just get them here..ok hmm..then an email saying he wanted them shipped to an chevy dealship...not happening lost interest..and his remark on just getting them there...so be it..hope your ck arrived...logging out for long break.

 

[Lucille]

my main reasons is a phone call from joe..and we are talking and I mention my concern for shipping a litter 27 babies..I mentioned one bag..with a good built box..I did not have 27 snake bags at the moment..and he said he didn't care just get them here..ok hmm..then an email saying he wanted them shipped to an chevy dealship...not happening lost interest..and his remark on just getting them there...so be it..hope your ck arrived...logging out for long break.

We are also overlooking the fact that he lied to me. He origanally told me that he didn't sell them to me because he couldn't ship them. He said he didn't have enough snake bags.

What does it take to buy snake bags? A few days?
As far as the shipment plans, if you were not comfortable shipping to a particular place, you could have said so. Instead, you told your buyer to send money, and apparently as that was transpiring, your other buyer had already sold the litter.
Did you find bags to send the critters to your other buyer?

 

[JPCBoas]

are you guys still beating me up..I did say I'm guilty of not selling my boas to Joe correct?
my main reasons is a phone call from joe..and we are talking and I mention my concern for shipping a litter 27 babies..I mentioned one bag..with a good built box..I did not have 27 snake bags at the moment..and he said he didn't care just get them here..ok hmm..then an email saying he wanted them shipped to an chevy dealship...not happening lost interest..and his remark on just getting them there...so be it..hope your ck arrived...logging out for long break.

We spoke about shipping and I explained the way I have recieved them before. Some all together some in individual containers and you said it was no problem you would build a box and ship them. You stated that you kept them all together when they are born so shipping them al together shouldn't be a problem. I told you to ship them which ever way you felt most comfortable.
Renenber this e-mail
From: Tibor Papp <[email protected]>
To: Joe Consolini <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: Message about: WANTED boa cluthes



Hi Joe thanks for the call..If you would like the motley sg litter its yours all 27 like I mentioned...I'll build a box over the weekend and can ship next week...I'll also send a picture of the whole litter this weekend as well..#k I'll cover shipping,thank you!
my home address..
tibor papp

As far as shipping to a chevy dealer we spoke about that also and I explained that it was my work and all delivires go to me and I would notify the driver that I had a package coming and he would take special care of it as he has done it before.

Stop trying to think you did something that was not wrong!!
Bottom line you broke a deal double sold the snakes and now trying to justify it.
What hppened to your logo "one job at a time"?

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

are you guys still beating me up..I did say I'm guilty of not selling my boas to Joe correct?
my main reasons is a phone call from joe..and we are talking and I mention my concern for shipping a litter 27 babies..I mentioned one bag..with a good built box..I did not have 27 snake bags at the moment..and he said he didn't care just get them here..ok hmm..then an email saying he wanted them shipped to an chevy dealship...not happening lost interest..and his remark on just getting them there...so be it..hope your ck arrived...logging out for long break.

And the hole just keeps getting deeper and deeper and......

 

[TriangleReptiles]

It is obvious that Tibor is a liar, and this thread leads me to question the ethics of his co-conspirator at Summit Reptiles.

 

[Kilzac]

I've been watching this thread play out for awhile now, and one thing I want to say is that Tibor is very eager to just run away from his problems. The people sticking up for Tibor, especially when he made a wrong like this, makes me, like the others, questions their ethics. I don't see anyway Tibor can get himself out of this one.

WHAT WE have here...is FAAAAILURE to communicate.....I don't like it any more than you......BUT....business wise, seller made a good move.....

Stavros, this makes me scratch my head... In any way shape or form, how is this a GOOD move???? So are you stating that we should all just wait for a better offer on what we are selling even though a deal could have already been made? All this does is kill your business.