Info TRUTHS ABOUT THE HIDDEN GENE WOMA THAT ARE IN DIRECT CONFLICT OF KEVIN MCCURELY(NERD)

[DemmBalls]

If you can GUARANTEE 100% that the snake is a HGW, why on earth do you have to wait for a clutch that has not hatched yet in order to confirm it??

I agree 100%. Good point.

 

[NewEnglandReptile]

Perhaps I'm reading this wrong... But in MY mind, THIS clears EVERYTHING up 100%...



If you can GUARANTEE 100% that the snake is a HGW, why on earth do you have to wait for a clutch that has not hatched yet in order to confirm it??

Like I said, maybe I'm missing something, but I have not seen a picture of a Soul Sucker, or ANYTHING visibly containing HGW in ANY of your pictures yet... How can you POSSIBLY guarantee something is a HGW if you have not proven it??? (not to mention it doesn't LOOK like a HGW)

I've seen this sort of thing before, and DOUBT it'll be the last time... but regardless of what ANYONE else has said, it looks like you're wrong... Kevin doesn't have to defend himself (or even say ANYTHING for that matter) since your statements and pictures say loud and clear that it's NOT HGW that you have...

This little exchange between you and Allan has nothing to do with me admitting ANYTHING or saying what you have is ANYTHING but a Woma Ball. WHat do you mean I saw this snake in Tinley Park? I did? Huh?????
Clark you should write wittle baby stories for 1 year olds (mind you, any older and they won't fall for your tale.). Secondly, you say the Granite makes them look very different..... Ummmmm... that is quite a stretch! Get your stories straight, I was accused of not having the Granite gene in them and now you are saying it is?????

I know its not just me but I do not understand your or Joe, you came here with a BOMB to drop and the only BOMB I see is the one that you two have detonated on yourselves! POINTLESS, POINTLESS.

Oh, very interesting...you had a clutch from this very different looking hidden gene WOma to a Lesser back in NOVEMBER?????

Please, please share your results with us. Soul Suckers?

SHow me the CAR FACTS Clark/Joe/Moe/Larry & Curley...

( I do have great respect for the last 3)

Kevin

 

[saskia]

This little exchange between you and Allan has nothing to do with me admitting ANYTHING or saying what you have is ANYTHING but a Woma Ball. WHat do you mean I saw this snake in Tinley Park? I did? Huh?????
Clark you should write wittle baby stories for 1 year olds (mind you, any older and they won't fall for your tale.). Secondly, you say the Granite makes them look very different..... Ummmmm... that is quite a stretch! Get your stories straight, I was accused of not having the Granite gene in them and now you are saying it is?????

I know its not just me but I do not understand your or Joe, you came here with a BOMB to drop and the only BOMB I see is the one that you two have detonated on yourselves! POINTLESS, POINTLESS.

Oh, very interesting...you had a clutch from this very different looking hidden gene WOma to a Lesser back in NOVEMBER?????

Please, please share your results with us. Soul Suckers?

SHow me the CAR FACTS Clark/Joe/Moe/Larry & Curley...

( I do have great respect for the last 3)

Kevin

I asked him that and apparently the answers are in previous posts?? I could not find them either.....

 

[MillcreekConstrictors]

And PEW HOUSE REPTILES....

What exactly is your point about a Champagne x Woma making weird Pied Pearl things???? Did you not understand that the Woma and HG Woma can make Pearls and that since a HG Woma x Champagne can make weird pied Pearls then a WOma x Champagne can do the same thing? IS THIS your smoking gun???????????????


It's a shame that I am not allowed to talk about irrelevant things like the snakes that I have been breeding for years and books that I wrote... no one cares about that knowledge but they should care about you and your words/ideas/mindless banging/dribble AKA Morph King Reptiles???
PLEEEEAAAASSSSEEEEEE.......

I really think that's what they're basing most their argument on since their woma and woma combos don't look like HGW combos. Do you know if anyone has bred a woma x champ and made the pied looking pearls? I assume it would like you explained but it would be nice to see the results.

HGW x HGW = pearls

Woma x HGW = pearls

HGW x Champ = pied looking pearls

Spider x Champ = pied looking pearls

Woma x Champ = pied looking pearls???

Spider x Woma = spider woma no pearls

Spider x HGW = no pearls???

Do you think both woma's and HGW's reside on the same locus?

Thanks...

 

[khoffman]

Here is the difference between a pastel soul sucker and a pastel woma lesser. I did a little google search First is the pastel hgw lesser second is a pastel woma lesser. We need to see phr's pastel woma lesser morph and see if it looks like this pastel soul sucker. As you can see there is no granite in this first animal. They are night and day in looks.

 

[Joe at PHR]

Here is the difference between a pastel soul sucker and a pastel woma lesser. I did a little google search First is the pastel hgw lesser second is a pastel woma lesser. We need to see phr's pastel woma lesser morph and see if it looks like this pastel soul sucker. As you can see there is no granite in this first animal. They are night and day in looks.

Thanks Kyle for posting that Pastel Souls Sucker. I don't see any Webbing in our Pewter Soul Sucker at all. Just the usual cinnamon influence and markings but obviously a Pewter Soul Sucker. Also pictured is the same Pewter Soul Sucker hot pink in the egg 12 hours before it came out.

 

[khoffman]

joe when you produce a pastel lesser woma no cinny you need to post up so we can see it. This thread will be put to bed when that happens.

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

The eye color is pretty drastic comparing the HGW combos and Woma combos.

 

[bxjoon]

is their a difference in eye color between the womas?

 

[Snake-Queen]

In the pictures that Kyle posted, the soul sucker has blue eyes.

 

[khoffman]

Steve SPK329 do you have insight on this? I see your here watching?

 

[Joe at PHR]

Thanks Kyle for posting that Pastel Souls Sucker. I don't see any Webbing in our Pewter Soul Sucker at all. Just the usual cinnamon influence and markings but obviously a Pewter Soul Sucker. Also pictured is the same Pewter Soul Sucker hot pink in the egg 12 hours before it came out.

Here is a Pastel Lesser Sibling from the Pewter Original Hidden Gene Woma clutch to a lesser. Every Sibling screams like this as well. The Original Pewter Soul Sucker cross acts in the same manner in its differences with the Granite HGW crosses as well. Here is a Pastel Lesser Sibling to the snake as they all scream at you like this one.

 

[JasonG]

Here is a Pastel Lesser Sibling from the Pewter Original Hidden Gene Woma clutch to a lesser. Every Sibling screams like this as well. The Original Pewter Soul Sucker cross acts in the same manner in its differences with the Granite HGW crosses as well. Here is a Pastel Lesser Sibling to the snake as they all scream at you like this one.

That top one looks like a pastel version of the cinny lesser.

 

[JasonG]

This one

 

[MikeDE]

Joe those animals may scream, but they do not scream HGW.

I am not sure why anyone cannot see the difference after all the HGW photos. PHR's versions are regular Woma crosses.

Our Cinny HGW crosses have steel grey colored eyes, so yes, the HGW tends to effect eye color in combos.

 

[Willow]

In the pictures that Kyle posted, the soul sucker has blue eyes.

Ding ding!! that pic is actually a pastel HGW lesser, BUT even normal soul suckers have these metal grey/steel blue eyes

 

[Joe at PHR]

Matt, It obvious to me that they aren't going to make the exact crosses as your Granite Hidden Gene Womas. The fact of the matter is, Kevin acknowledged a Super Pastel Hidden Gene Woma last year on WOBP from PHR. Kevin also acknowledged and changed his sterling HGW this year because of PHR's Sterling HGW. This is a fact proven in correspondence. Stop trying to say their animal isn't a Hidden Gene Woma. It is just different from the Granite Hidden Gene Woma and that is what they are saying. You are posting nice Granite Hidden Gene Woma crosses but they are going to be different then the PHR's Original Hidden Gene Woma Crosses. I am not taking anything away from your snakes as they are nice. But the crosses are going to be a little different period. You guys just need to accept that and get over it. The truth is PHR's Original Hidden Gene Woma looks much closer to Kevin's Original Hidden Gene Woma picture he posted. They are both regular looking womas with flames. No other regular looking Womas have flames. Some of PHR's crosses are different then yours but they should be as your Granite HGW is different then the Original Hidden Gene Woma. Just accept that there is two types of Hidden Gene Womas as Kevin showed in the pic of the founding animal which definitely was not looking like your Granite Hidden Gene Womas. PHR also made the Pewter Soul Sucker since Kevin acknowledged the other crosses proven in correspondence. Kevin's admission in his correspondence is all the proof PHR needs. They don't need to make any animals to prove to anyone anymore. This is over Matt. You just need to accept it as Kevin did in his correspondence with the WOBP over a year ago.
K. Matthews (a proud buyer of phr ball pythons)

I couldn't of said it better than Kevin Matthews above. Good job on this one Mr. Matthews.

 

[Willow]

So Joe....are you saying its the granite gene only that would give these animals the blueishness to their eyes?

Could you post better pics of your animals eyes so we can see the color better?

 

[Ghi Reptiles]

So...if it's the granite that makes all the difference and your animals don't have this gene...wouldn't they still be lacking whatever it is that makes the insane combos?

 

[Joe at PHR]

So Joe....are you saying its the granite gene only that would give these animals the blueishness to their eyes?

Could you post better pics of your animals eyes so we can see the color better?

Read my add and you will know what I think of the Granite in the Granite HGW...