Info TRUTHS ABOUT THE HIDDEN GENE WOMA THAT ARE IN DIRECT CONFLICT OF KEVIN MCCURELY(NERD)

[Willow]

You have a lot of nerve to insinuate these gentleman cheated anyone, I received my animal on time, healthy and ready to go. Kevin Matthews

your good experience has NOTHING to do with the situation at hand.

 

[Cp3_Pythons]

So in a nutshell Joe at PHR is admitting ( a few post back ) this was a simply a sale's technique to advertise to buyer's in Europe...?

 

[mountain top]

I see a group of people got together as a collective and intimidated Allan to get all of our stuff removed on the WOBP. The fact is, we wanted all of it removed anyway. We already knew that was going to happen... Just like what happened back in 06 on the other big advertising site. No Big Deal... I am glad we were on the WOBP for the time we were. As we have the correspondence and all the proof that we need period to satisfy us or anyone else in any capacity.

In fact, I am really glad I am here on FAUNA CLASSIFIEDS. This site is only for the 100% TRUTH and INTEGRITY of the INDUSTRY. The funny thing is, most of the people advertise on both big advertising sites. It is also where people can’t get pictures taken up and down on their word. People have to live by the sword and die by the sword on here period.

I am talking to the 20,000 plus people that are watching this thread closely. Not to the people posting on here as they don’t sign Clark’s and my paychecks... You can all read between the lines and see what is going on here. Clark and I are for the consumers purchasing the animals period. We always have been 100% for the consumer. If we ever make any claims, we back it up always with photographic proof. If you want a misconstrued snake from its original with big claims on Genetics (Hidden Gene Lessers needed that are not but just pretty Lessers), then buy from him. At least we wont say things like “I can’t explain it” or “I will eat my shoe if I am wrong" and then in the end just like the Hidden Gene Lessers “I don’t know what to tell you.” That happened right in this thread as well.

That is insulting everyone’s intelligence, completely inappropriate, and not giving the consumer a fair shake at all. We sell genetics here period. The more rare the genetics are in a snake, the more money the snake is worth (as long as it has eye appeal and there is a demand for it). It is not a complicated business. Make rare snakes, tell the TRUTH, provide the snake with a disease free super clean facility, and make sure the consumers who purchase from us are 100% satisfied. I also want to say, Most breeders blame me for crashing markets, when really they are selling animals back door at a much cheaper price. I just compete with that price and give it to the consumer. That is the way this industry works period. If I am hated for that, my feelings are not hurt in the least bit.

My snake is a little different than yours Kevin but very similar as your founding animal pictured in this thread is a Woma (with brown markings) with flames. My founding snake has black markings with flames and is definitely a Woma as well. Our Original Hidden Gene Woma looks more like your founding snake more than the Granite Hidden Gene Woma and that is a fact. Your stories have so many holes in them, as they change. No one will or can post definitve photographic proof of its genetics that you claim as seen in this thread last night. Also pictures being changed on the WOBP and everything else since this has been going on. I am glad I gave you the list to go off of.. Your Granite Hidden Gene Womas also have black markings as well as mine do that you sell to the public. I don’t mind being the person to stand up for the sake of the INTEGRITY of this INDUSTRY as I stated in the beginning of this thread. I am also not intimidated by you, as we all know. I put morals and ethics over anything first, as I would lose sleep if I did not.

I was only considering the WOBP to advertise in Europe and now I will just use another site. In fact, I am sure a lot of Europeans saw this little thread. We will display our new Morphs right here where they belong anyway. Just like we helped build this site with others and started advertising very expensive animals on here. Everyone that does business with me knows that, “what I say you can take to the bank”. It is always other people that haven’t bought from us that complains. We provide clean, high quality animals at great prices. We make no outrageous claims without providing photographic proof.

These people just want Clark and I to keep trying to satisfy them which we don’t need to at all. We are just all about the TRUTH as always. I have nothing to prove to the people posting against us on here, that is for sure. We take this industry very seriously and feel the need for full disclosure unlike others. We also feel the customer is first and stand behind everything we do 100%. If I am hated for that, oh well my feelings are not hurt at all.. The most important part of any business is the HONESTY and INTEGRITY towards the CONSUMERS. As I stated many times in this post and others, Clark and I are for the CUSTOMERS 100% and don’t believe in the misrepresentation of animals.

Thanks everyone for your business, time and understanding in this matter. No one who buys expensive animals is lacking the brain power to understand this. You all can read between the lines here.

Joe Capone at Power House Reptiles

welll said Joe. I'd like to see the proof because personally I've seen nothing but joe do me right and the people I have referred have been nothing but happy with the animals they bought. I personally am sick of this bs.

 

[Snake-Queen]

BTW...great post Mike Wilbanks!

 

[AbsoluteApril]

Just like we helped build this site with others and started advertising very expensive animals on here.

the only one that built this site is Rich.

My snake is a little different than yours Kevin but very similar as your founding animal pictured in this thread is a Woma (with brown markings) with flames. My founding snake has black markings with flames and is definitely a Woma as well.

isn't that what most of the people had been trying to tell you? oh you must have meant to say HGW..

 

[Power House Reptiles]

I see a group of people got together as a collective and intimidated Allan to get all of our stuff removed on the WOBP. The fact is, we wanted all of it removed anyway. We already knew that was going to happen... Just like what happened back in 06 on the other big advertising site. No Big Deal... I am glad we were on the WOBP for the time we were. As we have the correspondence and all the proof that we need period to satisfy us or anyone else in any capacity.

In fact, I am really glad I am here on FAUNA CLASSIFIEDS. This site is only for the 100% TRUTH and INTEGRITY of the INDUSTRY. The funny thing is, most of the people advertise on both big advertising sites. It is also where people can’t get pictures taken up and down on their word. People have to live by the sword and die by the sword on here period.

I am talking to the 20,000 plus people that are watching this thread closely. Not to the people posting on here as they don’t sign Clark’s and my paychecks... You can all read between the lines and see what is going on here. Clark and I are for the consumers purchasing the animals period. We always have been 100% for the consumer. If we ever make any claims, we back it up always with photographic proof. If you want a misconstrued snake from its original with big claims on Genetics (Hidden Gene Lessers needed that are not but just pretty Lessers), then buy from him. At least we wont say things like “I can’t explain it” or “I will eat my shoe if I am wrong" and then in the end just like the Hidden Gene Lessers “I don’t know what to tell you.” That happened right in this thread as well.

That is insulting everyone’s intelligence, completely inappropriate, and not giving the consumer a fair shake at all. We sell genetics here period. The more rare the genetics are in a snake, the more money the snake is worth (as long as it has eye appeal and there is a demand for it). It is not a complicated business. Make rare snakes, tell the TRUTH, provide the snake with a disease free super clean facility, and make sure the consumers who purchase from us are 100% satisfied. I also want to say, Most breeders blame me for crashing markets, when really they are selling animals back door at a much cheaper price. I just compete with that price and give it to the consumer. That is the way this industry works period. If I am hated for that, my feelings are not hurt in the least bit.

My snake is a little different than yours Kevin but very similar as your founding animal pictured in this thread is a Woma (with brown markings) with flames. My founding snake has black markings with flames and is definitely a Woma as well. Our Original Hidden Gene Woma looks more like your founding snake more than the Granite Hidden Gene Woma and that is a fact. Your stories have so many holes in them, as they change. No one will or can post definitve photographic proof of its genetics that you claim as seen in this thread last night. Also pictures being changed on the WOBP and everything else since this has been going on. I am glad I gave you the list to go off of.. Your Granite Hidden Gene Womas also have black markings as well as mine do that you sell to the public. I don’t mind being the person to stand up for the sake of the INTEGRITY of this INDUSTRY as I stated in the beginning of this thread. I am also not intimidated by you, as we all know. I put morals and ethics over anything first, as I would lose sleep if I did not.

I was only considering the WOBP to advertise in Europe and now I will just use another site. In fact, I am sure a lot of Europeans saw this little thread. We will display our new Morphs right here where they belong anyway. Just like we helped build this site with others and started advertising very expensive animals on here. Everyone that does business with me knows that, “what I say you can take to the bank”. It is always other people that haven’t bought from us that complains. We provide clean, high quality animals at great prices. We make no outrageous claims without providing photographic proof.

These people just want Clark and I to keep trying to satisfy them which we don’t need to at all. We are just all about the TRUTH as always. I have nothing to prove to the people posting against us on here, that is for sure. We take this industry very seriously and feel the need for full disclosure unlike others. We also feel the customer is first and stand behind everything we do 100%. If I am hated for that, oh well my feelings are not hurt at all.. The most important part of any business is the HONESTY and INTEGRITY towards the CONSUMERS. As I stated many times in this post and others, Clark and I are for the CUSTOMERS 100% and don’t believe in the misrepresentation of animals.

Thanks everyone for your business, time and understanding in this matter. No one who buys expensive animals is lacking the brain power to understand this. You all can read between the lines here.

Joe Capone at Power House Reptiles

I cannot believe that this whole entire post has been hijacked by 10 or 12 people that have nothing to show as far as evidence to prove or disprove either parties claims. It has gotten to the point that there are about 10 or 12 of you just making all sorts of ridiculous accusations about Joe and myself. Nothing to do anymore with proving that Kevin's Granite Hidden Gene Woma is nothing more than a misconstrued single mutation animal.

Here is a link to a post were a Granite Hidden Gene Woma Pastel was bred to a Lesser Platinum and it clearly shows you 10 or 12 people you can go suck eggs!

http://www.captivebredreptileforums.co.uk/ball-royal-pythons/47453-soulsucker.html

I understand why these 10 or 12 people are consistently leading away from the point at hand because of posts like the one above. You 10 or 12 people just cannot stand that Clark Tucker and Joe Capone figured out that your hero sold you double mutation snakes that are not!!!! Clearly we are right on this topic but, cannot seem to shine through the hijackers!

You all know that our snake is hiding in the catacombs at that facility up north awaiting this situation that we are presenting now and it scares you that we are right!! Your all afraid of loosing your investment so, you make up slanderous claims about us trying to sell misrepresented animals. You want everyone to also think that we have dissatisfied customers which we do not. You would also like to keep on about Joe's involvement in Ball Python past which you have all misconstrued like Kevin's snake.

I did not want to come here. I tried to settle this with Kevin but he just insisted on calling me names and telling me I don’t know what I am talking about. Clearly this is not the case since everything that is truthful in this post has been quickly hijacked and covered with garbage. Fact of the matter is I am not concerned with the selling of these snakes just their presence on the internet is good enough for me as they are descendants from the Original Hidden Gene Woma which none of you 10 or 12 can disprove.

Like before I stated and I am stating again, I never came here to prove anything. I just came here to tell the truth about the misrepresentation of this particular morph, Granite Hidden Gene Woma.

Best regards,
Clark Tucker
PHR

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

Holy crap this describes Joe

con artist
 
noun Informal .
1. a person adept at lying, cajolery, or glib self-serving talk.
2. a person adept at swindling by means of confidence games; swindler.


swin·dle
   [swin-dl] Show IPA verb, swin·dled, swin·dling, noun
verb (used with object)
1. to cheat (a person, business, etc.) out of money or other assets.
2. to obtain by fraud or deceit.
verb (used without object)
3. to put forward plausible schemes or use unscrupulous trickery to defraud others; cheat

 

[gsrept]

Originally Posted by Joe at PHR
I see a group of people got together as a collective and intimidated Allan to get all of our stuff removed on the WOBP. The fact is, we wanted all of it removed anyway. We already knew that was going to happen... Just like what happened back in 06 on the other big advertising site. No Big Deal... I am glad we were on the WOBP for the time we were. As we have the correspondence and all the proof that we need period to satisfy us or anyone else in any capacity.

In fact, I am really glad I am here on FAUNA CLASSIFIEDS. This site is only for the 100% TRUTH and INTEGRITY of the INDUSTRY. The funny thing is, most of the people advertise on both big advertising sites. It is also where people can’t get pictures taken up and down on their word. People have to live by the sword and die by the sword on here period.

I am talking to the 20,000 plus people that are watching this thread closely. Not to the people posting on here as they don’t sign Clark’s and my paychecks... You can all read between the lines and see what is going on here. Clark and I are for the consumers purchasing the animals period. We always have been 100% for the consumer. If we ever make any claims, we back it up always with photographic proof. If you want a misconstrued snake from its original with big claims on Genetics (Hidden Gene Lessers needed that are not but just pretty Lessers), then buy from him. At least we wont say things like “I can’t explain it” or “I will eat my shoe if I am wrong" and then in the end just like the Hidden Gene Lessers “I don’t know what to tell you.” That happened right in this thread as well.

That is insulting everyone’s intelligence, completely inappropriate, and not giving the consumer a fair shake at all. We sell genetics here period. The more rare the genetics are in a snake, the more money the snake is worth (as long as it has eye appeal and there is a demand for it). It is not a complicated business. Make rare snakes, tell the TRUTH, provide the snake with a disease free super clean facility, and make sure the consumers who purchase from us are 100% satisfied. I also want to say, Most breeders blame me for crashing markets, when really they are selling animals back door at a much cheaper price. I just compete with that price and give it to the consumer. That is the way this industry works period. If I am hated for that, my feelings are not hurt in the least bit.

My snake is a little different than yours Kevin but very similar as your founding animal pictured in this thread is a Woma (with brown markings) with flames. My founding snake has black markings with flames and is definitely a Woma as well. Our Original Hidden Gene Woma looks more like your founding snake more than the Granite Hidden Gene Woma and that is a fact. Your stories have so many holes in them, as they change. No one will or can post definitve photographic proof of its genetics that you claim as seen in this thread last night. Also pictures being changed on the WOBP and everything else since this has been going on. I am glad I gave you the list to go off of.. Your Granite Hidden Gene Womas also have black markings as well as mine do that you sell to the public. I don’t mind being the person to stand up for the sake of the INTEGRITY of this INDUSTRY as I stated in the beginning of this thread. I am also not intimidated by you, as we all know. I put morals and ethics over anything first, as I would lose sleep if I did not.

I was only considering the WOBP to advertise in Europe and now I will just use another site. In fact, I am sure a lot of Europeans saw this little thread. We will display our new Morphs right here where they belong anyway. Just like we helped build this site with others and started advertising very expensive animals on here. Everyone that does business with me knows that, “what I say you can take to the bank”. It is always other people that haven’t bought from us that complains. We provide clean, high quality animals at great prices. We make no outrageous claims without providing photographic proof.

These people just want Clark and I to keep trying to satisfy them which we don’t need to at all. We are just all about the TRUTH as always. I have nothing to prove to the people posting against us on here, that is for sure. We take this industry very seriously and feel the need for full disclosure unlike others. We also feel the customer is first and stand behind everything we do 100%. If I am hated for that, oh well my feelings are not hurt at all.. The most important part of any business is the HONESTY and INTEGRITY towards the CONSUMERS. As I stated many times in this post and others, Clark and I are for the CUSTOMERS 100% and don’t believe in the misrepresentation of animals.

Thanks everyone for your business, time and understanding in this matter. No one who buys expensive animals is lacking the brain power to understand this. You all can read between the lines here.

Joe Capone at Power House Reptiles

welll said Joe. I'd like to see the proof because personally I've seen nothing but joe do me right and the people I have referred have been nothing but happy with the animals they bought. I personally am sick of this bs

If your tired of the BS then why do you keep watching. No one is saying his animals are crap. what is being said is they are not hg womas mearly normal womas, Remember Mountain Top Joe started the thread to discredit Nerd and he did not. if there is a smoking gun then why not show it? He either has something to hide or there never was any smoking gun and you think this is ok. he tried to crash the market and you think thats ok. You guys should all get your stories straight then come back with the proverbial smoking gun. Remember who started the thread was not Kevin it was Joe at PHR he has to prove what he posted is the truth and so far he is not doing a good job of it. just digging himself a bigger hole.

 

[Ghi Reptiles]

Here is a link to a post were a Granite Hidden Gene Woma Pastel was bred to a Lesser Platinum and it clearly shows you 10 or 12 people you can go suck eggs!

http://www.captivebredreptileforums....oulsucker.html

What is the link supposed to show? That true hidden gene womas make soul suckers? They do...

 

[Ghi Reptiles]

I'm still not sure why they thread has been started because of Joe's and Clark's ranting...can someone enlighten me in a sentence or two?

 

[gsrept]

If you would stop dodging questions and show the proof, then the ten or twelve of us plus the other 20,000 would shut up, until then you brought the post its fair game.

 

[Willow]

So are you trying to claim that Kevin is saying his Hidden Gene Womas are more then one gene??

He is NOT...Kevin has stated MANY times that the "Hidden Gene" is slightly confusing in itself, since a Hidden Gene Woma IS NOT actually a HIDDEN gene, but a whole different SINGLE gene mutation for a NORMAL woma.

When the hidden gene woma has granite, or other morph...THEN it is more then one gene. But it's pretty common knowledge to most people now a days that a WOMA and a HIDDEN GENE WOMA are simply two, separate single gene mutations.

Its kinda like the "Het Reds"....everyone knows they are co dom, not recessive, they just got named funnny.

 

[Johnny]

NERD

So Kev, I see someone suckered you into the BOI again eh? The ball python pyramid scheme is still strong with all the pettiness/bunk that goes along with it. Known Kevin even before NERD. Always thankful he started me in this hobby. Kev, I think I may be producing an actual POG this year from the freebies you gave me 15+ years ago!#@!# Hope you're doing well up there with those boring bps.

 

[khoffman]

PHR *hgw* are womas PERIOD.

 

[MKJurassic]

I'm one of those watchers. I've read everything, hell I'm not even that into snakes and even I can see the difference between the pictures and see how this could EASILY be a marketing ploy to sell woma's as 'hg womas' to those sellers overseas who might not understand the situation fully.

I would never buy from PHR, it's scary how the responses are just whatever he honestly wants to hear. He never rationally responded with anything relevant, just more 'he said she said' and 'you can't prove I am wrong but you can't prove I am right'. No Joe, I don't know you, but you are wrong. The snakes you produced and the snakes produced at NERD are very, very different. It is false advertising to say otherwise. That was the point of this thread and you had 0 convincing evidence otherwise. I thought I was going to see emails from NERD saying, "Joe, Okay your snakes are real, let me buy them under the table so I can keep the market." but no, that did not happen. I don't even know what you were thinking.

I have some vast experience in marketing/advertising and while "No press is bad press", in this case, you really did shoot yourself in the foot and I honestly think you should rethink your tactics. Anyone who bothers to read to even page 2 can see you are a ranting desperate person. Your snakes are very pretty, and I know very little about snake genetics, but the eyes are very different, the sides are very different, and if I, a person who literally knows next to nothing about snakes, can see that, then what makes you think that a person with vast snake experience and knowledge is going believe you?

You honestly seem like an ok guy, just one desperate to make a buck and get attention.

 

[Willow]

BTW I don't know Kevin, Never spoke with Kevin, never bought from Kevin, don't plan to cuz I'm broke lol

I am in no way invested in Kevin or his animals, nor do I actually give a CRAP about him personally (nothing personal, I don't give a crap about anyone I don't know lol)

So Joe...My thinking your INSANE and a SCAMMER has nothing to do with being invested in anything except for the truth.

I have eyes...I have seen soul suckers before...admire them every chance I get online...your animals are nothing compared.

 

[Willow]

So Joe and Clark...I guess I should say

 

[Joe at PHR]

I cannot believe that this whole entire post has been hijacked by 10 or 12 people that have nothing to show as far as evidence to prove or disprove either parties claims. It has gotten to the point that there are about 10 or 12 of you just making all sorts of ridiculous accusations about Joe and myself. Nothing to do anymore with proving that Kevin's Granite Hidden Gene Woma is nothing more than a misconstrued single mutation animal.

Here is a link to a post were a Granite Hidden Gene Woma Pastel was bred to a Lesser Platinum and it clearly shows you 10 or 12 people you can go suck eggs!

http://www.captivebredreptileforums.co.uk/ball-royal-pythons/47453-soulsucker.html

I understand why these 10 or 12 people are consistently leading away from the point at hand because of posts like the one above. You 10 or 12 people just cannot stand that Clark Tucker and Joe Capone figured out that your hero sold you double mutation snakes that are not!!!! Clearly we are right on this topic but, cannot seem to shine through the hijackers!

You all know that our snake is hiding in the catacombs at that facility up north awaiting this situation that we are presenting now and it scares you that we are right!! Your all afraid of loosing your investment so, you make up slanderous claims about us trying to sell misrepresented animals. You want everyone to also think that we have dissatisfied customers which we do not. You would also like to keep on about Joe's involvement in Ball Python past which you have all misconstrued like Kevin's snake.

I did not want to come here. I tried to settle this with Kevin but he just insisted on calling me names and telling me I don’t know what I am talking about. Clearly this is not the case since everything that is truthful in this post has been quickly hijacked and covered with garbage. Fact of the matter is I am not concerned with the selling of these snakes just their presence on the internet is good enough for me as they are descendants from the Original Hidden Gene Woma which none of you 10 or 12 can disprove.

Like before I stated and I am stating again, I never came here to prove anything. I just came here to tell the truth about the misrepresentation of this particular morph, Granite Hidden Gene Woma.

Best regards,
Clark Tucker
PHR

Well said Clark. As these claims of upset customers is 100% fraudulent. Everyone who we sell too is COMPLETELY SATISFIED unlike our Competition.

Everyone just needs to get over it and realize the Granite Hidden Gene Woma is NOT a 2 gene animal period.

 

[gsrept]

Proof is all we are asking for and still waiting

 

[gsrept]

Everyone just needs to get over it and realize the Granite Hidden Gene Woma is NOT a 2 gene animal period.

You Make the claim show the proof or admit your wrong simple as that.