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Info Kelly Gottberg/KY Reptiles... I'd like your opinion?

I haven't read more than the first page. First off. That snake was in perfect condition besides the scars on her back. Didn't happen to with me. And it was perfectly visable in pics i sent. Secondly you purchased her on my feeding day. She just ate! The meal was a perfectly sized meal for her. You were very demanding when purchasing her. That i met you then and now. I had to drop everything i was doing just to meet you. As you stated she was going into a shed. She wasn't dehydrated. Wheres all these vet bills Tom? You claimed you took her to the vet and spent a pretty penny in vet bills. I offered to take her back. Quite frankly just because ppl on FB were talking about you, you decided to take it out on me. I didn't even comment on any of them and the one comment i did make was when dan accused Sam calling you a bad guy and i said she said you were never a bad guy. I take pride in my snakes and everyone that has ever bought from me has been very happy, cept you. I never claimed she only ate rat pups. She use to take mice with the previous owner, took about 3 with me and switched over with a scented rat pup no problems. Like i said i offered to take her back. You were completely happy with her and said she was a gorgeous girl and couldn't wait to put her to your desert.

Now ill go read the other pages but this will prolly be my only response. I have better things to deal with like healing from the car crash than to listen to these lies. If anyone feels theres something of importance i need to respond to please email me and let me know.
 
I haven't read more than the first page. First off. That snake was in perfect condition besides the scars on her back. Didn't happen to with me. And it was perfectly visable in pics i sent. Secondly you purchased her on my feeding day. She just ate! The meal was a perfectly sized meal for her. You were very demanding when purchasing her. That i met you then and now. I had to drop everything i was doing just to meet you. As you stated she was going into a shed. She wasn't dehydrated. Wheres all these vet bills Tom? You claimed you took her to the vet and spent a pretty penny in vet bills. I offered to take her back. Quite frankly just because ppl on FB were talking about you, you decided to take it out on me. I didn't even comment on any of them and the one comment i did make was when dan accused Sam calling you a bad guy and i said she said you were never a bad guy. I take pride in my snakes and everyone that has ever bought from me has been very happy, cept you. I never claimed she only ate rat pups. She use to take mice with the previous owner, took about 3 with me and switched over with a scented rat pup no problems. Like i said i offered to take her back. You were completely happy with her and said she was a gorgeous girl and couldn't wait to put her to your desert.

Now ill go read the other pages but this will prolly be my only response. I have better things to deal with like healing from the car crash than to listen to these lies. If anyone feels theres something of importance i need to respond to please email me and let me know.

A couple lies in there Kelly.. No biggie, it's out, and needed to be done. Back-peddle all ya want from here on out. You and I know you gave a full blown :censored: on this animal, I am good with it...
 
I was putting neosporin on her back. Even if they were fully healed from the guy i got her from i was using that to keep the scars in good shape. There was some misunderstanding there with you all. I made Tom aware of the scars when he was checking her over and he still wanted her. Thats neither here nor there as i didn't cause them. To go on, how do i know Tom didn't cause the wounds on her? He looked her over pretty good. Checking her head and underside. I know the condition of all my snakes and theyre nothing less than perfect, so was she besides the scars on her back.
 
Id like to see the vet records you said you took her to the vet. Where are they? See i think you caused the marks on her lip and took it as a good opportunity to bash me since you have beef with ppl I know. Im done here. I have physical therapy to go to for my back and legs.
 
Id like to see the vet records you said you took her to the vet. Where are they? See i think you caused the marks on her lip and took it as a good opportunity to bash me since you have beef with ppl I know. Im done here. I have physical therapy to go to for my back and legs.

You are lying in a fashion that I am shocked to hear from you and your buddy... You are something else. I knew this needed to be done, and to show you some mercy, I INFO'D this thread when it clearly should be in Red... Bum deal.
 
Tom can you prove she is lying?

Hmm I wonder if Kelly and Samantha have been private messaging each other to get their stories straight.
 
Tom can you prove she is lying?

Hmm I wonder if Kelly and Samantha have been private messaging each other to get their stories straight.

He doesnt have proof. Just assumptions. And I was talking to kelly over the phone when she was telling me all this and I misunderstood what she said she treated which were the scars. No lies going on here. I also saw the text from Tom saying he took her to the vet yet those bills havent been brought forth. The text was from yesterday. Why is he just now concerned about the holes. I'm sorry but if I had a snake for even a week i would notice that.
 
He doesnt have proof. Just assumptions. And I was talking to kelly over the phone when she was telling me all this and I misunderstood what she said she treated which were the scars. .... The text was from yesterday. Why is he just now concerned about the holes. I'm sorry but if I had a snake for even a week i would notice that.
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I'm sorry I misunderstood what kelly was relaying to me. she was putting neosporin on her back scars, not her mouth. i apologize.
She's the one that you were basically saying is stoned out of her gourd on the prescription drugs necessary to sooth her injuries, yet you're the one that managed to get 'mouth' and 'back' confused. Interesting.

Of course the conversation took place over the phone. So many simple misunderstandings could be easily explained away if not for the unfortunate circumstance that they just so happened to occur over a medium which can't be verified in any way.

Everyone's throwing around a lot of 'he said, she said' information. Does everyone conveniently neglect to save/screenshot correspondence that directly involves business dealings and their subsequent fallout?

He seems to be contesting your claim that he took the snake to the vet. If this text message exists, it'll be pretty simple for your friend to take a picture of it and post it up here. Aside from the possibility of being caught in a lie, what's the relevance to this situation even if he did? I haven't seen anything that shows him asking for reimbursement for any vet fees or anything else.

Regarding the bold text, I concede that that may be a gray area for some. We're all human and sometimes we just miss things. That being said, in my opinion, it reflects much more poorly on a seller than it does on a buyer. The time line seems a little hazy. The time line here seems a bit hazy. You're implying that he just now noticed the holes in the lip. My impression from the OP was that it was actually much sooner after the snake was purchased.

I wouldn't say that I'm oblivious when it comes to noticing details, but I've personally never really thought to check that area out when inspecting the goods. However, it's not exactly far-fetched to think that it wouldn't be noticed right away once it was in his collection. Someone that practices quarantine and provides an acclimation period wouldn't be in a big hurry to bother the snake for a while as it adjusts to it's new environment.
 
There are pictures of the text messages. Considering I have to email them, then save them, then photobucket them is a time consuming activity. I have work and a friend's house to go to so this won't be done until tomorrow on my day off.
 
And going, and going, and going.........
 

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I just wanted to comment on the origin of the holes. Does anyone else think it's possible that they were caused by an abscessed tooth/teeth that drained through the jaw (or another injury to the inside of the mouth that became infected - maybe from sharp substrate or something)? I don't have experience with that in reptiles (and I am not a vet), but I have seen that happen in horses before (obviously a much bigger wound, but similar looking). It doesn't really look like a fresh bite mark to me, although I guess it's hard to say for sure from the pics.
 
Tom,
It has been a long time since posting pictures like that was acceptable on the BOI. Please keep in mind that we are striving to make this a more professional venue.
 
I just wanted to comment on the origin of the holes. Does anyone else think it's possible that they were caused by an abscessed tooth/teeth that drained through the jaw (or another injury to the inside of the mouth that became infected - maybe from sharp substrate or something)? I don't have experience with that in reptiles (and I am not a vet), but I have seen that happen in horses before (obviously a much bigger wound, but similar looking). It doesn't really look like a fresh bite mark to me, although I guess it's hard to say for sure from the pics.

Thank you Shelly. I honestly have no clue what caused this, and I want to. This prompted me to move another step thus far. Kelly told me this snake came from Christian Gonzalez in Tucson/Pythonidae Empire. I've seen his stuff, you've seen his stuff..... there is NO WAY he makes ROOKIE mistakes.... (I'd like to hear something from him in regards to that)

Now, she is blaming the 'scaring' on him, correct, if you read back in here, she says the Granite female came to her like this.... Let's see if Christian can confirm or deny this "lie."

And fwiw.. I was never disclosed ANY issues on this snake at all, and I could see nothing wrong with it at all that day in the parking lot. Still, nobody deserves a basket case animal unless they are doing a straight rescue of some type, which I don't do. I only buy mint, bulletproof stuff that is a fine example of it's being for future projects, I can't allow junk into my home.

Kelly - A receipt from a Vet is moot my friend, I dont' want/need anything from you. I have 2 that I call friends on speed dial, after a dozen years of doing this semi-pro, they are friends.... A Vet visit for me, from the one that WILL remain un-named, is a drop by at my house, if, you catch my drift. You can thank me for fixing that issue correctly, rather than just "dabbing Neosporin" on it. That wasn't working Kelly.

Let me say this again......

I don't want anything, I am trying to put this out there for the safety of the community on you.. And below is why:

1) You will pawn a 'basket case' animal off on someone else.. I wondered why there were no pics in your ads, and why they aren't advertised on these 'larger' sites..

2) You will 'talk' bad enough about the person that complains that you will get what I am going to dub, "The AZ Rat Pack" to ridicule, post, and continue, and continue, and continue like a group of school girls to no end. I am still getting childish emails, calls, and texts. I do believe that Samantha, Kaitlin, and Kelly are behind these childish rants, if you've seen the stuff on FB, there is no doubt.

3) My professional opinion on the "other" Granite I was gonna buy that day... You said she was 500 grams. You don't want my opinion on what I think she should have weighed... I'll just say she was 'under weight' and THAT, is why I left her with you. I wanted two of them, and had the cash for her w/o a doubt.

I've done my homework on each of you at this point, and, you three have provided me with all types of heartache and laughs over the past few days. I'm patient and a rather nice guy, so, I am going to now sit back and watch the three of you spin your webs and see where we are at in time. Time reveals all. I'd love to see this thread be an isolated incident, but I know that is a farce.

Samantha - YOU need to reach out to the Miller family. There, no 3rd party BS. :angry:

Kaitlin - You got it on not contacting you, I have never have, or had, and would never... you got nothing that interests me to be sweet, short and cordial. I sent you a PM to keep my name out of your rather large mouth, only after your repeated attempts to defame me with your Facebook drama posts. That was it. FWIW, your post making fun of an overpriced 530 gram Pastel female of my girlfriends at $400 being a 'rip-off' was the original ignition in all of this. I knew it was directly related to this incident. So, it was YOU that the community and Kelly owe praise to. Kudos on earning that title.

So, in the end. Let's see what Christian has to say, IF, the snake came from him, and, I wanna know how long ago that was that she got this from him.. I'm wondering if stuff gets a QT at Kell's place.
 
Christian, you have amazing animals, great records and I publicly apologize for bringing you in on this! But, you were my golden ticket! I owe you a nice lunch.....
 
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