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Inquiry USARK/Andrew Wyatt, What's the story?

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Well, I sure do want to thank everyone that chimed in on this. As usual, I appreciate the support that this site has always given me. This is of course a lot worse then being accused of selling a mite covered snake. Yes, it is all true though. Details, because I know you are wondering.

Back in July two chimps escaped here in Vegas. This was the open door that HSUS was waiting for. They jumped on a congressman and started drafting a new law in Nevada that is out to ban all exotics, including reptiles and amphibians. I started gearing up for a fight right away, along with the help of many other exotic owners here in Nevada, mostly mammal people (tigers, lions). We decided this was an exotics issue, and we would band together to fight. All for one. Then came along this little grub named Justin Mietz. He claimed to be ready to lead the fight, and was going to fight for only the herps. In an open lettered email, I suggested to him that he should sit down and shut up and let the adults take care of this. I also, in the same letter, told Andrew to keep USARK out of Nevada and that we didn't need his help. Months later on a herping/whale sharking trip to Baja, Bob Ashley, co-owner of the Tinley reptile show, among other shows, told me he heard that USARK had painted a big bulls eye on my back and was gunning for me. He's the one that told me about what Walsh was saying about me. He said it was because I'd cost them money by keeping them from yelling "fire" about Nevada and cutting into their fund raising plans. I'd just spoken in person with Wyatt in July at IHS, and explained to him why I did not feel USARK needed to spend money in Nevada, and that I felt I had the situation handled, but would yell if I ended up needing help. Andrew and I have always gotten along and I thought we were friends. It appeared that this criminal background check was all Walsh's doing, urged on by hero wanna be Justin Meitz. I guess he felt I took the wind out of his sails or something, and this was his payback to discredit me. Beats me. I don't want to be a hero, and I don't want to be in the lime light. I just want to be happy and play with my herps and make a living doing so. And that's what I do. I don't want to testify to the Nevada Congress, and I sure don't want what's going on now. I lead a happy, somewhat dull life, and I like it that way. Walsh is a poor lawyer. She looked me up, got my name mixed up with someone else, and proclaimed my guilty of child molestation. She never bothered to look at the fact that the man she looked up is 74 years old and still in prison. Now I'm no raving beauty, but please ... I don't think I look 74. A photograph of the convicted man was included in the report. It sure ain't me. I spoke to her, and she explained it was a mistake. But in the meantime, how many other people had she told that it was me? I found out about it in Mexico for goodness sake! So I went to USARK, and complained about their vice president. Walsh's professional profile stated clearly that she was vice president of USARK. Turns out she's not, and never was. It appears Andrew made her vp all by himself, with no approval from the board that must approve all officers and board members. This makes two lies I caught her in. Time went by as I tried to decide what to do. I spoke to my friends on the USARK board, who all said they would resign and walk away from USARK. All I had to do was say the word. However, I didn't want to go down in herp history as the person that destroyed USARK, especially when we need it more then ever, so I suggested everyone stand down, take a deep breath, and ponder it some more. Then came Tinley. Walsh was the only one on my radar, with Justin also being on it, but just a little blip in the corner. The gag order was issued, it was made clear that Walsh had made a terrible mistake, and no one was to say another word about me. And can you believe, the very next day, Wyatt went out onto the reptile show floor and started telling people I was a child molester. I know the people he told (and I'm not telling who, so don't ask). I have witnesses and backup for everything I'm stating here, by the way. One person he told went and told another person who already knew the real story, and the shit hit the fan from there. Andrew was fired from USARK at the show. He was asked to leave at the show. Walsh, who in an interview with Herp Nation radio claims this never happened, was actually there when it happened. 3rd lie that I know of. She claimed on the radio that none of these events happened, which ends up adding up to about a dozen lies. Lied through her teeth. I was disgusted just listening to her. So, here we have HR511 coming up. I agreed not to sue until Andrew was out of USARK. I agreed to allow Andrew to remain with USARK until the end of the year so he could testify on our behalf before the HR511 hearing. On Dec 31, Andrew Wyatt "resigned" from USARK. Now that my friends were clear from any fall out, well, here I am. I did not do this right away because I was in Peru for the past two weeks, and hey, asshole or not, Andrew had to wait until after my vacation. I'm sure you guys understand. I had told Herp Nation the whole story days before I left. They asked me to go on the air and tell my story. I told them I would once I got home and spoke again to my lawyer, just to make sure this would not effect my lawsuit, if I choose to file one. Andrew has no money, and a case like this will cost a lot. So I'm still ponding my options. I contacted Herp Nation today and told them it was time. They said they had to run it by their lawyers first. Fair enough. But I doubt if they ran it by the lawyers when Walsh came on the radio and lied through her teeth. In the meantime, I can't sit by and let Andrew start up this US Herp Alliance when I know it's just to replace his $80,000 a year job he was just fired from. So I decided to act on my own, and let the chips lay where they fall. He is dishonest and very low, and will obviously throw anyone under the bus that gets in his way. In the way of lining his pockets with our hard earned money that is. I can't sit back while he flourishes on a stack of lies, while potentially effecting the donations to USARK and PJAC. He accused me of raping children! For what? Beats me. But if he will stoop this low, no matter for what reason, what else is he capable of? We don't need his stinking help, we don't need his stinking alliance, and what we really need is for him out of our hobby and industry. I would suggest he get a job busing tables at Applebees. That's about all he's good for. I never really understood where he came from, but where ever that is, he should go back and leave us alone. So, there it is. I tried to lay it out as best I can. If you have questions of me, ask. If I can answer them I will. If the questions effect others in this case that are innocent, I won't answer. Fair enough? I refuse to hurt my friends, and I refuse to drag anyone else into this. Bob Ashley says he's more then willing to verify everything I've said today about Andrew. Call him. Email him. Or not. I have nothing to gain by stating what I know about Walsh and Wyatt. Nothing but my good name and reputation, which means a lot to me. But I am concerned about our industry. Don't give Wyatt a dime. Let his alliance fail. Keep him unemployed in our industry. I called him a friend. See where it got me?


These are serious charges. I absolutely feel as if both groups will probably see a vast and understandable decrease in donations as people sort out how they feel about this situation, and how they feel it should impact the reptile community.

When Andrew's departure was announced, it seemed as if no one wanted to say much.
Fauna is the home of the BOI and the first thing we ask people who bring issues here is that they show some proof.
I'm sure that of those who heard the alleged accusations against Ken, some would not really want to discuss the situation unless it was in a court setting, and perhaps it will come to that.
But so much is riding on the situation that I think corroboration of some kind would be a good idea.
If we don't shine the same flashlight on everyone, we are not the group we think we are.

Just as the readers of the BOI request information in order to make an informed decision, and don't take actions or make decisions because we like one person more than another person, we need more information here. 'No comment' is not going to get it. Those who were involved should come forward for the sake of the reptile community.
 
Wow, I am sorry to hear this. If someone corroborates any of this, my mind will be made up about who I will NOT support and the above mentioned two organizations I will. I have been through the ringer in a situation somewhat similar to this and it cost me a lot of money and time in court, so I sympathize with anyone wrongfully accused of such actions. Despicable behavior, Mr. Wyatt.
 
If it all went down the way Ken explained, that's pretty :censored: low. I had to deal with some similar remarks coming from a lowly troll, and even that was infuriating. Even when it comes from an obviously degenerate troll, it's not something that should be casually tossed around, or something that people automatically ignore, just based on the source. It kinda tends to stick in your mind. To have what was an ostensibly respectable public figure making such claims, that's a whole different level of potential damage. I'm all for the smiting of one's enemy, but there has to be some lines drawn. If Ken ends up taking it to court, I hope he wins big.
 
Well , if you step back in time a few days ,this sounds very much like some of the questions raised by Jeff B at Kingsnake .What's the old addage "Where there's smoke " .I guess those questions had some merit
 
Andrew Wyatt and his lawyer girl took the mailing list from USARK and have been using it to contact people on behalf of his new organization. When confronted, they began deleting the comments asking about it. They finally released a statement that the list of people contacted was Andrew's "personal list" of contacts. Many people, myself included, never contacted Andrew personally.

He has been behaving in an underhanded and dishonest way. The drama his lawyer started with Ken comes to no surprise to me, and frankly I hope they lose enough money from slandering him that their new organization collapses in on itself.

Andrew Wyatt has created a massive division in the reptile community due to his selfish and self-centered agenda. I hope Ken sues him for all he's worth, and that Andrew becomes no more than a bad memory that we never hear from again.
 
For what it's worth, a screenshot of Facebook with Andrew denying calling anyone a pedophile.
 

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Lucille, as you have admittedly never given Andrew Wyatt or USARK a dime, why have you decided to make this into a BOI thread? I think this is part of some form of vendetta that I've seen you have against Andrew since long before Ken ever posted anything and anything was truly known. I think you're just happy your suspicion was justified at this point.

I am not trying to defend Andrew at this point in the least. I believe Ken in what he has said and he has been forthright in his explanations. If Ken would like to make a post like this, I believe he is completely justified. I just think that you are using this opportunity to gloat. You have never supported USARK in the least, and therefore I just don't see where you have a right to say something about how you were wronged by them.

Mostly, the point of my post is to say that you're just sticking your nose in other people's business at this stage. I have donated thousands in cash and animals to USARK, and I don't regret a cent. I believe I and many others (most notably, Ken) have much more right at this point to question Andrew about this than you do. I'm not saying that this thread shouldn't have been made, just not by you.

Just a thought, Chris
 
Lucille, as you have admittedly never given Andrew Wyatt or USARK a dime, why have you decided to make this into a BOI thread? I think this is part of some form of vendetta that I've seen you have against Andrew since long before Ken ever posted anything and anything was truly known. I think you're just happy your suspicion was justified at this point.

I am not trying to defend Andrew at this point in the least. I believe Ken in what he has said and he has been forthright in his explanations. If Ken would like to make a post like this, I believe he is completely justified. I just think that you are using this opportunity to gloat. You have never supported USARK in the least, and therefore I just don't see where you have a right to say something about how you were wronged by them.

Mostly, the point of my post is to say that you're just sticking your nose in other people's business at this stage. I have donated thousands in cash and animals to USARK, and I don't regret a cent. I believe I and many others (most notably, Ken) have much more right at this point to question Andrew about this than you do. I'm not saying that this thread shouldn't have been made, just not by you.

Just a thought, Chris

She made this thread after Webslave/Rich said the following:

"This discussion is already bordering on not being appropriate in the general forums, and may REQUIRE continuation as a BOI thread so that the rules of engagement can thereby be observed and exercised in that environment. So if "proof" is a necessity of the continuation of this issue in this thread, then I suggest this branching off of the original topic into personal and professional accusations of alleged wrong doing, ethical violations, and personal legal missteps of any involved party transfer to a relevant BOI thread, please."

I am glad she did make this thread. It needed to be addressed, and nobody other than Andrew and his lawyer benefits from people waiting around for somebody who is "justified" to decide they want to post about it.

Andrew is asking for our money after leaving USARK. Any one of us would be justified in making this thread, questioning his past behavior and his current motives.

If anything, it seems to me that you were just waiting for this opportunity to call Lucille out over this vendetta you think she has. :shrug01:
 
Again not getting the whole story :) Seems like this bS is the same BS from the past few weeks. He whole story will come out in the next few days and I know a few will be eating the words they have spoke :)
 
Many, many people would have been justified in making this thread. Lucille is not one of them in my opinion and I believe also in the spirit of the BOI.

I understand that Rich said it needed to be moved to the BOI, I get it, no problem. My issue isn't the existence of this thread. Lucille plays BOI police all the time, and then she wants to not play by her own rules when she feels it's not applicable to her.

Andrew is asking for our money, yes, but it isn't required that you give it to him. Anyone who hasn't given him or his previous organization money shouldn't have the true right to call him out for misappropriation of funding or anything else that doesn't directly involve them. What he apparently did to Ken should be between him and Ken and whoever Ken wants to inform of it. If Ken would like to bring the issue to the BOI, he knows where it is and is totally within his rights to do so in my opinion.

This is not me protecting Andrew, but more of just saying that not just anyone should get to spout their opinion on anything. I believe that you should have some investment in your opinion before you go around spouting off.

Chris
 
Many, many people would have been justified in making this thread. Lucille is not one of them in my opinion and I believe also in the spirit of the BOI.

I understand that Rich said it needed to be moved to the BOI, I get it, no problem. My issue isn't the existence of this thread. Lucille plays BOI police all the time, and then she wants to not play by her own rules when she feels it's not applicable to her.

Andrew is asking for our money, yes, but it isn't required that you give it to him. Anyone who hasn't given him or his previous organization money shouldn't have the true right to call him out for misappropriation of funding or anything else that doesn't directly involve them. What he apparently did to Ken should be between him and Ken and whoever Ken wants to inform of it. If Ken would like to bring the issue to the BOI, he knows where it is and is totally within his rights to do so in my opinion.

This is not me protecting Andrew, but more of just saying that not just anyone should get to spout their opinion on anything. I believe that you should have some investment in your opinion before you go around spouting off.

Chris

I am sorry that you apparently do not understand the intent of the BOI and the qualifications necessary for ANYONE to post issues relevant to the readership. Be that as it may, if you feel there is any violation being made concerning the utilization of any function of this site, then perhaps the appropriate method of reporting such a perceived violation would be to simply REPORT the post rather than attempt a diversion in this thread away from the topic matter. If you wish to discuss with me why you think you know better than I how this forum should be run, then please PM me with your arguments, or post such in the Feedback Forum. I'll be happy then to address YOUR perceived qualifications for making such a determination about this site. Otherwise, please stay ON topic here.
 
I am sorry that you apparently do not understand the intent of the BOI and the qualifications necessary for ANYONE to post issues relevant to the readership. Be that as it may, if you feel there is any violation being made concerning the utilization of any function of this site, then perhaps the appropriate method of reporting such a perceived violation would be to simply REPORT the post rather than attempt a diversion in this thread away from the topic matter. If you wish to discuss with me why you think you know better than I how this forum should be run, then please PM me with your arguments, or post such in the Feedback Forum. I'll be happy then to address YOUR perceived qualifications for making such a determination about this site. Otherwise, please stay ON topic here.

Just curious how it is off topic to question what connection someone has to a given organization/person/institution when it pertains to a thread questioning said organization/person/institution? How much different is that than asking for the details behind a given deal/situation if one even occurred?

Ken Foose was the one that posted about the defamation issues and it did not pertain to the OP, so questioning that does seem somewhat normal of the BOI, I feel.
 
Just curious how it is off topic to question what connection someone has to a given organization/person/institution when it pertains to a thread questioning said organization/person/institution? How much different is that than asking for the details behind a given deal/situation if one even occurred?

Ken Foose was the one that posted about the defamation issues and it did not pertain to the OP, so questioning that does seem somewhat normal of the BOI, I feel.

All she did was post a quote directly from Ken. She didn't even accuse Andrew Wyatt of anything, she was just bringing it to the BOI as was requested.

I don't get how it's relevant that Lucille is the one that posted this. Either way the reptile community needs to know, and she personally is not accusing Wyatt of anything.
 
Wow, I don't have time to read all of these posts any more, but if what Ken said is true, then in my opinion, Andrew is only out for himself. If that is true, then Andrew might as well be working for the Humane Society, because he has caused a lot of fighting within the reptile community. If the people of the reptile community aren't all working together, then they will never win. I will never support Andrew for anything again, if this is true.
 
Just curious how it is off topic to question what connection someone has to a given organization/person/institution when it pertains to a thread questioning said organization/person/institution? How much different is that than asking for the details behind a given deal/situation if one even occurred?

This is an *inquiry* type of thread, not a good guy/bad guy type of thread. In other words, the little icon is the yellow question mark one instead of the green check mark or red X. Haven't you seen people posting inquires on businesses before? You don't need to have any sort of connection with the business to ask about their reputation. It's just a request for information.
 
Issues like this one, true or not, reveal a deeper problem in the reptile community--a problem that will, in my opinion, be the demise of the legality of our hobby in more and more geographies; namely, that there appears to be relatively few upstanding citizens in our industry. On the whole, to outsiders we appear and behave more like wannabees for Hell's Angels than respectable neighbors.
 
This thread was created in regardence to an individual with questionable behavior and intent of his business practices in an organization that is supposed to be helping the reptile community, not just himself. Just because the OP may not have actually given any money to Wyatt, does not mean that they can't question his behavior when it may affect other people in the reptile community.
I also believe more proof should be given to any accusations or in defense to this whole thing. Most people really have no clue on who to believe, since so many lies/stories have been told. How are people going to know that the money that they donate is going to the right cause? I have technically donated to USARK in the raffles I attend for the cornsnakes.com raffle every year at the NRBE. If I come across a benefit for US Herp Alliance, not sure if I should involve my hard earned money into it until I know it is actually going to the reptiles/people that need it. NOT to a slanderous individual who uses the money to line their own pockets.


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