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I have done some investigating, and that looks to be true. Regardless, Andrew had no right to say or do what he did.
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Inquiry USARK/Andrew Wyatt, What's the story?
- Thread starter Lucille
- Start date
I have done some investigating, and that looks to be true. Regardless, Andrew had no right to say or do what he did.
Skiploder
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meowmeowkazoo
New member
I highly doubt either Andrew or his lawyer will show up here. They know they're being dishonest. They know that they have no chance of answering our questions without confirming how corrupt and self serving they are.
lordhero3k
New member
I still can't fathom what response they wanted after accusing him of that.
region reptiles
New member
The sad thing Usark will not get money from till I see how they will fight for the retics. In the end all this drama has destroyed everything we all have worked for. Having met Myke and getting to be pretty good friends with him I have to agree 100%
Myke Clarkson shared The Snake Master Myke Show's status.
6 hours ago
I said I was sick of the bickering between keepers about this whole ordeal, but now the two groups who were otherwise playing nice (publicly) are making a mockery of themselves.
Alliance and USARK have essentially temporarily crippled each other leaving the sadly co-dependent herp nation defenseless. For too long we have made these dogs fight our battles, and now that the dogs are busy fighting each other we are utterly helpless. So unless a handful of us figure out how the hell to defend ourselves on our own for the time being... we are *&%^^%^&&^ in 2013.
These groups should be a part of the battle to defend this hobby, but they should have never become our defense in full. Now their current state leaves use very vulnerable and we cleverly have no plan B.
Not that 98% of us really backed up our Plan A in the first place.
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Myke Clarkson shared The Snake Master Myke Show's status.
6 hours ago
I said I was sick of the bickering between keepers about this whole ordeal, but now the two groups who were otherwise playing nice (publicly) are making a mockery of themselves.
Alliance and USARK have essentially temporarily crippled each other leaving the sadly co-dependent herp nation defenseless. For too long we have made these dogs fight our battles, and now that the dogs are busy fighting each other we are utterly helpless. So unless a handful of us figure out how the hell to defend ourselves on our own for the time being... we are *&%^^%^&&^ in 2013.
These groups should be a part of the battle to defend this hobby, but they should have never become our defense in full. Now their current state leaves use very vulnerable and we cleverly have no plan B.
Not that 98% of us really backed up our Plan A in the first place.
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AF Exotics
Member
It is obviously clear on which side the truth lays .I will now become a supporter of USARK and PIJAC .They are clearly the best advocates we have at this time .I do believe the ethics and behaviors displayed by Wyatt and Walsh speak louder than any of our opinions .They are now fact.They have shown us who they truly are .Kudos to Lucille for bringing this here ,and much class displayed by Mr.Ken Foose ,for thinking of the Herp community first and not going ballistic immediately . He took the high road .Thanks Ken
deadliesthatch
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Whether Ken Foose goes to court or not, he has won the day. He came out and told everyone what was done to his reputation. He took one for team-reptile and we all owe him a debt of thanks. Just my opinion. By the way, I do not know anyone involved and so I only care about truth and the future of this industry/hobby.
meowmeowkazoo
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Care to share the "truth" that you mentioned earlier, or is that something that only privileged individuals such as yourself are privy to?
Andrew Wyatt started this mess. USARK is not to blame for his behavior. He is the one that decided to create another organization, diverting funds from USARK in an attempt to keep himself employed. If he truly cared about the reptile community, he NEVER would have created USHA.
This division is something that he and his lawyer are responsible for. You can complain all you want about people bickering, but that doesn't change who is responsible for it.
As I have said many, many times in other places, we cannot ignore greed and corruption for the sake of unity.
region reptiles
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Seems you have an issue with me kitty lol Maybe you should reread the post lol
region reptiles
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I will not give money to anybody till the whole truth of who is going to support monsters snakes. That was my point. PIJAC works with HSUS on some things and with that being said I'm not 100 sure that's where I want my money going. Turmoil is the place the reptile community is at right now.
Ken Foose
Lurking member
One last stab, and I'm done. I was given permission to post this by the authors. Hopefully it doen't violate some rule here as hersay or anything. These are direct quotes as I copied them. Please bear with me. I will have one final thing to say about all this right after this
Kimberly Lucas
Direct quote from Andrew to me Friday afternoon before the USARK board meeting
" Ken Foose is a convicted sex offender"
just so you know those were his EXACT words. I wrote them down later and told them to Daniel immediately after.
I just wanted to tell you directly since we really haven't had a direct conversation yet. He didn't say the word "pedofile" he was very specific.
just so you know Daniel posted this on the herp Alliance page in response to Ericas post.. She has blocked me from responding
Erika Nicole Chen-Walsh: There was a confidentiality broken... not at the time of this letter. This letter was written a month earlier and from my point of view, justifies the actual background check, and your part in it. But it is a little misleading if this is the only thing you're posting in the spirit of clearing up "misinformation on the internet."
Wasn't it a breach of professional ethics by Andrew Wyatt at the Tinley Show, that is the "real elephant in the room here?"
The fact that the president of USARK gossiped about a prominent member of the reptile community. A community that he is suppose to represent, passing along false information that he was told not to repeat AND knew to be false... to Kimberly Lucas in the guise of "protecting you and your family."
I can only speculate as to why he did this, and frankly I don't care. In my opinion, it was insanely stupid given his position. Even if it were true, who is he to be passing along this information?
Yet even after he knew the information was not correct and told not to repeat it, Andrew Wyatt passed it along as truth. He spoke with Kimberly, my girlfriend, Friday night on the floor of the show. I didn't hear the conversation, but I saw them talking.
Kimberly pulled me aside and spoke with me as Andrew walked away... saying Andrew just told her that "Ken Foose was a convicted sex offender and he said not to say anything to anyone. And he couldn't say any more than that." She was beside herself and a little floored, wondering now what she was to do with this information? That night, we searched the sex offender data base... found nothing. The presenting problem was that we were contemplating a trip to Peru with Ken Foose and several others... and children would be on the trip. Andrew evidently made the situation sound like the trip was a dangerous idea. Dropping just enough information to generate fear, then walked away. Kimberly felt responsible not only for her boy, but to the other parents taking kids on the trip, to find out the truth.
What only a couple people know, is that Andrew pulled me aside while I waited at the Holiday Inn elevator in Tinley on the Sunday morning of the show.
He asked if he could speak to me in private. We stepped outside in front of the hotel and had a one-on-one conversation. Did he tell you about our conversation? Because its now known, that I am another person he passed this information along to...
He expressed dismay that Kimberly repeated what he had said about Ken. He wanted to know why she said anything when he had asked her not to... I said "Do you know the whole story?" He said, "I wouldn't be here talking to you if I didn't."
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I said "She was just doing due diligence and checking out what you told her. You dropped a bomb on her... what you told her was unfair to just drop in her lap and walk away. What was she suppose to do, just sit back and take your word for it?"
I said "It wasn't like she was just passing along the information. She felt responsible to the other parents to find out the truth." She sat on the information all night, we researched on the internet and finally asked Kim Bell, Saturday night if it could be true? This was only after she checked on the internet and found nothing. He said, "Everything isn't on the internet." (implying he had inside information).
I said, "Well, I don't know. From what I hear, you were told two weeks ago it wasn't true... yet you still passed it along as truth. It's being looked at as a breach of ethics from what I see, " He then, said "The allegations against Ken are absolute truth..." He then added, "Welcome to the drama of the reptile community."
All I said was, "Well, I don't know what more to tell you." With that we walked back inside and he thanked me for speaking with him.
they took it down in seconds. lol you can post it if you choose. As of right now it is not posted anywhere. It does confirm that more than one person was told.
Kimberly Lucas
Direct quote from Andrew to me Friday afternoon before the USARK board meeting
" Ken Foose is a convicted sex offender"
just so you know those were his EXACT words. I wrote them down later and told them to Daniel immediately after.
I just wanted to tell you directly since we really haven't had a direct conversation yet. He didn't say the word "pedofile" he was very specific.
just so you know Daniel posted this on the herp Alliance page in response to Ericas post.. She has blocked me from responding
Erika Nicole Chen-Walsh: There was a confidentiality broken... not at the time of this letter. This letter was written a month earlier and from my point of view, justifies the actual background check, and your part in it. But it is a little misleading if this is the only thing you're posting in the spirit of clearing up "misinformation on the internet."
Wasn't it a breach of professional ethics by Andrew Wyatt at the Tinley Show, that is the "real elephant in the room here?"
The fact that the president of USARK gossiped about a prominent member of the reptile community. A community that he is suppose to represent, passing along false information that he was told not to repeat AND knew to be false... to Kimberly Lucas in the guise of "protecting you and your family."
I can only speculate as to why he did this, and frankly I don't care. In my opinion, it was insanely stupid given his position. Even if it were true, who is he to be passing along this information?
Yet even after he knew the information was not correct and told not to repeat it, Andrew Wyatt passed it along as truth. He spoke with Kimberly, my girlfriend, Friday night on the floor of the show. I didn't hear the conversation, but I saw them talking.
Kimberly pulled me aside and spoke with me as Andrew walked away... saying Andrew just told her that "Ken Foose was a convicted sex offender and he said not to say anything to anyone. And he couldn't say any more than that." She was beside herself and a little floored, wondering now what she was to do with this information? That night, we searched the sex offender data base... found nothing. The presenting problem was that we were contemplating a trip to Peru with Ken Foose and several others... and children would be on the trip. Andrew evidently made the situation sound like the trip was a dangerous idea. Dropping just enough information to generate fear, then walked away. Kimberly felt responsible not only for her boy, but to the other parents taking kids on the trip, to find out the truth.
What only a couple people know, is that Andrew pulled me aside while I waited at the Holiday Inn elevator in Tinley on the Sunday morning of the show.
He asked if he could speak to me in private. We stepped outside in front of the hotel and had a one-on-one conversation. Did he tell you about our conversation? Because its now known, that I am another person he passed this information along to...
He expressed dismay that Kimberly repeated what he had said about Ken. He wanted to know why she said anything when he had asked her not to... I said "Do you know the whole story?" He said, "I wouldn't be here talking to you if I didn't."
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I said "She was just doing due diligence and checking out what you told her. You dropped a bomb on her... what you told her was unfair to just drop in her lap and walk away. What was she suppose to do, just sit back and take your word for it?"
I said "It wasn't like she was just passing along the information. She felt responsible to the other parents to find out the truth." She sat on the information all night, we researched on the internet and finally asked Kim Bell, Saturday night if it could be true? This was only after she checked on the internet and found nothing. He said, "Everything isn't on the internet." (implying he had inside information).
I said, "Well, I don't know. From what I hear, you were told two weeks ago it wasn't true... yet you still passed it along as truth. It's being looked at as a breach of ethics from what I see, " He then, said "The allegations against Ken are absolute truth..." He then added, "Welcome to the drama of the reptile community."
All I said was, "Well, I don't know what more to tell you." With that we walked back inside and he thanked me for speaking with him.
they took it down in seconds. lol you can post it if you choose. As of right now it is not posted anywhere. It does confirm that more than one person was told.
region reptiles
New member
Ken Foose while I will agree 100% that it's BS and I hope things get better for you Hmmm this story sounds so familiar........... You know who I'm talking about
Hmmm this story sounds so familiar........... You know who I'm talking about 
Ken, maybe it's just me and my brain is too tired, but I can't make heads nor tails out of your last post concerning who was saying what in that text. As such I have to ask you to clean it up and repost it in a manner that leaves no question as to who is making which statements, otherwise I have to consider it as an anonymous third party quotation. Sorry, the original cannot be edited nor deleted, so the fix will require a followup post.
Ken Foose
Lurking member
And now, to finish this off. I'm going to post here something I have told very few people, but since it appears my secrets might be used as a weapon to discredit me, here goes. Anyone not interested in hearing my sob story can go directly to the last few paragraphs (Wes lol) and get right to the end. My parents were divorced when I was 5, and I had very little contact with my father. I was beaten daily by an alcoholic step father from the age of 5 to 13 (more then likely why I don't drink). I left home at the age of 14, and I've been on my own ever since. I worked my way though high school alone, and then on to collage and graduate school. All my life all I ever wanted to do was play with snakes, and that's all I've really done all my life, to this day.
In the early '80s my father contacted me from Virginia City NV and offered me a building to erect my own reptile zoo that I was planning. It sounded great, so off to Nevada I went. The zoo was never a big success, by my 5 jewelry stores were a big hit, and I had it made. Then my father was accused of child molestation with a step daughter from wife # 6 or 7. I get them mixed up. Soon, a lot of his other children, some of which I never knew, came out of the woodwork and added their charges to the new ones. It was a mess.
So I sold my stores, took my daughter, and moved south. I like Nevada, and really like living here. I moved to Las Vegas before my fathers trial. I was not even there for it. He was found guilty, and is in prison for life more then likely. He got just what he deserved.
Over the years, I regret that I have lied about my father. People who knew him sometimes find me and ask how my dad is. I tell them he died in the late '80s. My mother is already long dead and gone, so I just collectively say my parents are dead. This explanation always seemed to save a lot of time and kept me from being embarrassed about my family. I raised myself, and I've always been my only family. Now I have Kim (thank you Kim).
I'm just telling you guys here now because I want there to be no questions, no suspisions, no doubt. My father is 21 years older then me. We have the same names, except I'm Foose II. I have never been arrested, and I've never been in jail for a felony. There was that time in Bancock, but we won't go there lol.
I am not a child molester. The entire idea repulses me beyond belief. Kill them all as far as I'm concerned.
Imagine the pain in Bob Ashley's eyes ( I saw it) when he had to ask me if I have ever molested little girls. Bob is one of my very best friends. Can you imagine having to ask one of your best friends such a question? And it appears the information was presented to him in such a way that he was leaning towards believing it. And of course, there's me and my flip mouth. He asked me if I'd ever had sex with underage girls, and I said "sure, when I was 15" (hey, it was the '70s). Then it dawned on me (actually took me a few minutes) that he as mixing me up with my dad. And that's how it started.
I'm assuming that this character assassination was done to me because of the pending bill proposal in Nevada. On that note, let me assure everyone that I and others have this completely in hand and don't need or want any outside help that we have not asked for. With the help of some very qualified folks here in Vegas and some top notch guys up in Reno, we will hopefully prevail. Also on that note, Justin Meitz of Reno, president of the Reno Reptile club, and now also president of the National Reptile Conference (or whatever they are calling it) started this whole thing. He heard "rumors" about me, and took these rumors to Walsh. If it was not for Justin, none of this would have happened in the first place. Thanks Justin. And I mean that. Why? (end of sob story, by the way)
Because I'm happy it happened. I had no idea what kind of person Andrew Wyatt was. Now we all know. I had no idea how horrible Erika Walsh was. And that I'm sure happy she's not my lawyer (she sucks). I had no idea Justin considered me such a threat to his growing power base that he craves so much. Because I never cared. I donated money to USARK and PJAC, and pretty much ignored Justin. I've seen his kind come and go (we all have), and another flash in the pan barely warranted my attention.
And then it seems I got in these three peoples way. All I want to do is defend my hobby, my business and the industry that I have always loved and protected. And as a result, I stuck my nose in places I guess it didn't belong. So they try to discredit me with this stupid stuff. Too bad, because as far as I was concerned we were all on the same side. Andrew was my friend, I'd never heard of Walsh in my life, and Justin was just some kid trying to get attention.
I'll take care of the rest of this on my own. A lawsuit is more then likely pending, but it will be between me and them. I'm sure you'll be able to find some "record" of it on the Internet.
Why did I come forward now? First, I had to wait until Andrew was out of USARK. I support USARK whole heartedly. I did then, and I do now. A lot of people involved in USARK then and now are my friends. I promised them I would do my very best not to drag them into this. So Andrew had to go first. I've been sitting on this since September. It has caused a great deal of stress on my relationship with Kim, who I think fankly thought me too much of a coward to come forward. But I promised not to do anything until the end of the year, which is when I was promised Andrew would be gone. So I sat and waited. Walsh and Meitz were my only targets, by they way. Until Tinley. Once I found out what was said about me there by Wyatt, well, I just about snapped. But I kept my cool, and sat and waited.
When Andrew annouced the Herp Alliance, and he and Walsh spewed their lies on Herp Nation, I could wait no longer. I needed to let everyone know what these people are truly about. Reptile people are my friends and colleagues. I could not stand by and watch people from MY industry and hobby throw money at these lying bastards. These people have no ethics, and will obviously do anything to anyone to further their own personal, warped goals. Don't support them. Please. Support USARK, please. And PJAC. They are our last best hope for our industry. And support NRAAC too. It's a great source of information, and we need that so desperate too. And please, PJAC, NRAAC and USARK, let's all work togther. Can you imagine what we can do if these three work together as one? They all bring something a bit different to the table, and combined can be a very powerful force for our way of life.
I'm done (finally). I want to thank my friends very much. I'd also like to thank those I thought were my friends. Now I know. Funny thing is, I'm pretty much friends with everyone unless they with me. Which is very rare. 55 hours ago I posted my warning. In 55 hours the herp industry and hobby has been bent over one way or the other. Some will say by me. I can accept that. I know I'll lose some long time friends over this (already have in fact), but I might just gain some new ones. Hard to say. Not in my control. All I have ever done is try to lead a simple life and have some fun. I don't want this. I don't want the attention. I like my life. And I'm going to go back to it now. Hopefully I'll see you all in New Orleans (blatant plug for IHS). If not, I'm sure I'll see you at a show now and then. I sure do wish this was a "Ken Foose gave me mites thread". Ah, simpler times. I'd finish with a joke, but then again, Herp Alliance is a joke, and I really can't top it.
I'm sorry this is so long. Rich, delete it if you don't want it here. Peace to all, and let's try to work together, please?
In the early '80s my father contacted me from Virginia City NV and offered me a building to erect my own reptile zoo that I was planning. It sounded great, so off to Nevada I went. The zoo was never a big success, by my 5 jewelry stores were a big hit, and I had it made. Then my father was accused of child molestation with a step daughter from wife # 6 or 7. I get them mixed up. Soon, a lot of his other children, some of which I never knew, came out of the woodwork and added their charges to the new ones. It was a mess.
So I sold my stores, took my daughter, and moved south. I like Nevada, and really like living here. I moved to Las Vegas before my fathers trial. I was not even there for it. He was found guilty, and is in prison for life more then likely. He got just what he deserved.
Over the years, I regret that I have lied about my father. People who knew him sometimes find me and ask how my dad is. I tell them he died in the late '80s. My mother is already long dead and gone, so I just collectively say my parents are dead. This explanation always seemed to save a lot of time and kept me from being embarrassed about my family. I raised myself, and I've always been my only family. Now I have Kim (thank you Kim).
I'm just telling you guys here now because I want there to be no questions, no suspisions, no doubt. My father is 21 years older then me. We have the same names, except I'm Foose II. I have never been arrested, and I've never been in jail for a felony. There was that time in Bancock, but we won't go there lol.
I am not a child molester. The entire idea repulses me beyond belief. Kill them all as far as I'm concerned.
Imagine the pain in Bob Ashley's eyes ( I saw it) when he had to ask me if I have ever molested little girls. Bob is one of my very best friends. Can you imagine having to ask one of your best friends such a question? And it appears the information was presented to him in such a way that he was leaning towards believing it. And of course, there's me and my flip mouth. He asked me if I'd ever had sex with underage girls, and I said "sure, when I was 15" (hey, it was the '70s). Then it dawned on me (actually took me a few minutes) that he as mixing me up with my dad. And that's how it started.
I'm assuming that this character assassination was done to me because of the pending bill proposal in Nevada. On that note, let me assure everyone that I and others have this completely in hand and don't need or want any outside help that we have not asked for. With the help of some very qualified folks here in Vegas and some top notch guys up in Reno, we will hopefully prevail. Also on that note, Justin Meitz of Reno, president of the Reno Reptile club, and now also president of the National Reptile Conference (or whatever they are calling it) started this whole thing. He heard "rumors" about me, and took these rumors to Walsh. If it was not for Justin, none of this would have happened in the first place. Thanks Justin. And I mean that. Why? (end of sob story, by the way)
Because I'm happy it happened. I had no idea what kind of person Andrew Wyatt was. Now we all know. I had no idea how horrible Erika Walsh was. And that I'm sure happy she's not my lawyer (she sucks). I had no idea Justin considered me such a threat to his growing power base that he craves so much. Because I never cared. I donated money to USARK and PJAC, and pretty much ignored Justin. I've seen his kind come and go (we all have), and another flash in the pan barely warranted my attention.
And then it seems I got in these three peoples way. All I want to do is defend my hobby, my business and the industry that I have always loved and protected. And as a result, I stuck my nose in places I guess it didn't belong. So they try to discredit me with this stupid stuff. Too bad, because as far as I was concerned we were all on the same side. Andrew was my friend, I'd never heard of Walsh in my life, and Justin was just some kid trying to get attention.
I'll take care of the rest of this on my own. A lawsuit is more then likely pending, but it will be between me and them. I'm sure you'll be able to find some "record" of it on the Internet.
Why did I come forward now? First, I had to wait until Andrew was out of USARK. I support USARK whole heartedly. I did then, and I do now. A lot of people involved in USARK then and now are my friends. I promised them I would do my very best not to drag them into this. So Andrew had to go first. I've been sitting on this since September. It has caused a great deal of stress on my relationship with Kim, who I think fankly thought me too much of a coward to come forward. But I promised not to do anything until the end of the year, which is when I was promised Andrew would be gone. So I sat and waited. Walsh and Meitz were my only targets, by they way. Until Tinley. Once I found out what was said about me there by Wyatt, well, I just about snapped. But I kept my cool, and sat and waited.
When Andrew annouced the Herp Alliance, and he and Walsh spewed their lies on Herp Nation, I could wait no longer. I needed to let everyone know what these people are truly about. Reptile people are my friends and colleagues. I could not stand by and watch people from MY industry and hobby throw money at these lying bastards. These people have no ethics, and will obviously do anything to anyone to further their own personal, warped goals. Don't support them. Please. Support USARK, please. And PJAC. They are our last best hope for our industry. And support NRAAC too. It's a great source of information, and we need that so desperate too. And please, PJAC, NRAAC and USARK, let's all work togther. Can you imagine what we can do if these three work together as one? They all bring something a bit different to the table, and combined can be a very powerful force for our way of life.
I'm done (finally). I want to thank my friends very much. I'd also like to thank those I thought were my friends. Now I know. Funny thing is, I'm pretty much friends with everyone unless they
with me. Which is very rare. 55 hours ago I posted my warning. In 55 hours the herp industry and hobby has been bent over one way or the other. Some will say by me. I can accept that. I know I'll lose some long time friends over this (already have in fact), but I might just gain some new ones. Hard to say. Not in my control. All I have ever done is try to lead a simple life and have some fun. I don't want this. I don't want the attention. I like my life. And I'm going to go back to it now. Hopefully I'll see you all in New Orleans (blatant plug for IHS). If not, I'm sure I'll see you at a show now and then. I sure do wish this was a "Ken Foose gave me mites thread". Ah, simpler times. I'd finish with a joke, but then again, Herp Alliance is a joke, and I really can't top it. I'm sorry this is so long. Rich, delete it if you don't want it here. Peace to all, and let's try to work together, please?
Ken Foose
Lurking member
Sorry Rich. This was sent to me by Kim Lucas
Kimberly Lucas
Direct quote from Andrew to me Friday afternoon before the USARK board meeting
" Ken Foose is a convicted sex offender"
just so you know those were his EXACT words. I wrote them down later and told them to Daniel immediately after.
I just wanted to tell you directly since we really haven't had a direct conversation yet. He didn't say the word "pedofile" he was very specific.
Kimberly Lucas
Direct quote from Andrew to me Friday afternoon before the USARK board meeting
" Ken Foose is a convicted sex offender"
just so you know those were his EXACT words. I wrote them down later and told them to Daniel immediately after.
I just wanted to tell you directly since we really haven't had a direct conversation yet. He didn't say the word "pedofile" he was very specific.
Ken Foose
Lurking member
And Rich, this was posted on the US Herp Alliance page by Kim Lucas' boy friend Danial. After Andrew had it deleted from face book, Daniel sent it to me.
Wasn't it a breach of professional ethics by Andrew Wyatt at the Tinley Show, that is the "real elephant in the room here?"
The fact that the president of USARK gossiped about a prominent member of the reptile community. A community that he is suppose to represent, passing along false information that he was told not to repeat AND knew to be false... to Kimberly Lucas in the guise of "protecting you and your family."
I can only speculate as to why he did this, and frankly I don't care. In my opinion, it was insanely stupid given his position. Even if it were true, who is he to be passing along this information? (these are questions that Daniel was asking to Erika Walsh).
(And this is Daniel's statement as to what happened in Tinley between himself and Kim, and himself and Andrew Wyatt)
Yet even after he knew the information was not correct and told not to repeat it, Andrew Wyatt passed it along as truth. He spoke with Kimberly, my girlfriend, Friday night on the floor of the show. I didn't hear the conversation, but I saw them talking.
Kimberly pulled me aside and spoke with me as Andrew walked away... saying Andrew just told her that "Ken Foose was a convicted sex offender and he said not to say anything to anyone. And he couldn't say any more than that." She was beside herself and a little floored, wondering now what she was to do with this information? That night, we searched the sex offender data base... found nothing. The presenting problem was that we were contemplating a trip to Peru with Ken Foose and several others... and children would be on the trip. Andrew evidently made the situation sound like the trip was a dangerous idea. Dropping just enough information to generate fear, then walked away. Kimberly felt responsible not only for her boy, but to the other parents taking kids on the trip, to find out the truth.
What only a couple people know, is that Andrew pulled me aside while I waited at the Holiday Inn elevator in Tinley on the Sunday morning of the show.
He asked if he could speak to me in private. We stepped outside in front of the hotel and had a one-on-one conversation. Did he tell you about our conversation? Because its now known, that I am another person he passed this information along to...
He expressed dismay that Kimberly repeated what he had said about Ken. He wanted to know why she said anything when he had asked her not to... I said "Do you know the whole story?" He said, "I wouldn't be here talking to you if I didn't."
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I said "She was just doing due diligence and checking out what you told her. You dropped a bomb on her... what you told her was unfair to just drop in her lap and walk away. What was she suppose to do, just sit back and take your word for it?"
I said "It wasn't like she was just passing along the information. She felt responsible to the other parents to find out the truth." She sat on the information all night, we researched on the internet and finally asked Kim Bell, Saturday night if it could be true? This was only after she checked on the internet and found nothing. He said, "Everything isn't on the internet." (implying he had inside information).
I said, "Well, I don't know. From what I hear, you were told two weeks ago it wasn't true... yet you still passed it along as truth. It's being looked at as a breach of ethics from what I see, " He then, said "The allegations against Ken are absolute truth..." He then added, "Welcome to the drama of the reptile community."
All I said was, "Well, I don't know what more to tell you." With that we walked back inside and he thanked me for speaking with him.
they took it down in seconds. lol you can post it if you choose. As of right now it is not posted anywhere. It does confirm that more than one person was told.
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Wasn't it a breach of professional ethics by Andrew Wyatt at the Tinley Show, that is the "real elephant in the room here?"
The fact that the president of USARK gossiped about a prominent member of the reptile community. A community that he is suppose to represent, passing along false information that he was told not to repeat AND knew to be false... to Kimberly Lucas in the guise of "protecting you and your family."
I can only speculate as to why he did this, and frankly I don't care. In my opinion, it was insanely stupid given his position. Even if it were true, who is he to be passing along this information? (these are questions that Daniel was asking to Erika Walsh).
(And this is Daniel's statement as to what happened in Tinley between himself and Kim, and himself and Andrew Wyatt)
Yet even after he knew the information was not correct and told not to repeat it, Andrew Wyatt passed it along as truth. He spoke with Kimberly, my girlfriend, Friday night on the floor of the show. I didn't hear the conversation, but I saw them talking.
Kimberly pulled me aside and spoke with me as Andrew walked away... saying Andrew just told her that "Ken Foose was a convicted sex offender and he said not to say anything to anyone. And he couldn't say any more than that." She was beside herself and a little floored, wondering now what she was to do with this information? That night, we searched the sex offender data base... found nothing. The presenting problem was that we were contemplating a trip to Peru with Ken Foose and several others... and children would be on the trip. Andrew evidently made the situation sound like the trip was a dangerous idea. Dropping just enough information to generate fear, then walked away. Kimberly felt responsible not only for her boy, but to the other parents taking kids on the trip, to find out the truth.
What only a couple people know, is that Andrew pulled me aside while I waited at the Holiday Inn elevator in Tinley on the Sunday morning of the show.
He asked if he could speak to me in private. We stepped outside in front of the hotel and had a one-on-one conversation. Did he tell you about our conversation? Because its now known, that I am another person he passed this information along to...
He expressed dismay that Kimberly repeated what he had said about Ken. He wanted to know why she said anything when he had asked her not to... I said "Do you know the whole story?" He said, "I wouldn't be here talking to you if I didn't."
.
I said "She was just doing due diligence and checking out what you told her. You dropped a bomb on her... what you told her was unfair to just drop in her lap and walk away. What was she suppose to do, just sit back and take your word for it?"
I said "It wasn't like she was just passing along the information. She felt responsible to the other parents to find out the truth." She sat on the information all night, we researched on the internet and finally asked Kim Bell, Saturday night if it could be true? This was only after she checked on the internet and found nothing. He said, "Everything isn't on the internet." (implying he had inside information).
I said, "Well, I don't know. From what I hear, you were told two weeks ago it wasn't true... yet you still passed it along as truth. It's being looked at as a breach of ethics from what I see, " He then, said "The allegations against Ken are absolute truth..." He then added, "Welcome to the drama of the reptile community."
All I said was, "Well, I don't know what more to tell you." With that we walked back inside and he thanked me for speaking with him.
they took it down in seconds. lol you can post it if you choose. As of right now it is not posted anywhere. It does confirm that more than one person was told.
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Skiploder
New member
Ken, would it be possible for Daniel and Kim to post here directly?
I am also taking it, that the taunting that Andrew was doing on the Facebook page between the two of you was a veiled threat to expose your father?
I am also taking it, that the taunting that Andrew was doing on the Facebook page between the two of you was a veiled threat to expose your father?
Ken Foose
Lurking member
Dennis, I have no clue who you are talking about. I hate to admit it, but I really don't pay much attention to anything that does not have a direct relationship with my own little world. As I said before, I rarely pay attention to most stuff.
Craig, I would assume so. Since I have no criminal record, there should be nothing about me at all. Criminal-wise. It must be the threat to expose my father. But I'm still not going to give him permission to post any personal info about me. Then again, it it's not my criminal record, I suppose he can post anything he wants. Frankly, I have no clue what he thinks he has on me. Yes, I did dress up as a woman for Halloween once. But how did he know?
Craig, I would assume so. Since I have no criminal record, there should be nothing about me at all. Criminal-wise. It must be the threat to expose my father. But I'm still not going to give him permission to post any personal info about me. Then again, it it's not my criminal record, I suppose he can post anything he wants. Frankly, I have no clue what he thinks he has on me. Yes, I did dress up as a woman for Halloween once. But how did he know?
Ken Foose
Lurking member
Oh, and as far as Kim and Daniel posting here: Kim is a member of this site. I"m sure she's going to read this. It's up to her and Daniel to post. I'm not going to ask them. They have done enough already for me. They didn't want any part of this, I promise you. Just like me, they are private people who don't want their lives turned upside down. And they are my friends. I will not ask them to do more then they already have. What they have done is too much already, and I never asked them to go out on a limb for me. But to them both are will always be grateful. And to the rest of my friends too.