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Info BHB Reptiles?

There are links to the threads David is basing this information on in Aprils post on the first page. It will take you 10,000 years to read the one about hets that don't prove out but in short David bought a spider het hypo male from BHB that didn't produce any hypos after breeding it to 2 admittedly unproven het hypo girls. He sold the snake before the eggs hatched. His buyer couldn't prove the male out with his 2 proven het hypo females either. Brian initially was agreeable to making it right for David, then he realized he was expected to in some way compensate David and the new owner of the snake and agreed he owed David something even though the snake was sold already. Brian threw some ideas out, then David threw some ideas out. Brian said he's put together a list of snakes he'd be willing to give David as compensation and failed to do so after several weeks, then communication got spotty on Brian's end, then David posted a BOI about the whole thing and as far as anyone has been made aware after that Brian stopped responding to David's emails. I don't know what happened with Brian and the guy David sold the snake to. I also don't know if the spider hey hypo ended up proving or not, as this was a while back.

There. I just saved you 3 hours of your life. I have no judgement to add to this. I have never purchased from either party but probably wouldn't hesitate to do so if they had what I wanted.
 
Brian lied to me for months saying he would make things right and never did. That's the long and short of it. He was also lying to Cliff by phone telling him he wasn't going to help me but would take care of Cliff. These were just lies as well as Brian has, to this day, never made good for the fake het he sold off.

If you wish to buy from bad guys like Brian @ BHB then by all means go ahead, you've got a good chance of getting away clean as most people do. But why take the chance? Do you want to have to rid your collection of mites? Stress over whether your hets will prove out? Lots of buying options out there, save yourself the headache and avoid BHB.

skirtinthedirt said:
There are links to the threads David is basing this information on in Aprils post on the first page. It will take you 10,000 years to read the one about hets that don't prove out but in short David bought a spider het hypo male from BHB that didn't produce any hypos after breeding it to 2 admittedly unproven het hypo girls. He sold the snake before the eggs hatched. His buyer couldn't prove the male out with his 2 proven het hypo females either. Brian initially was agreeable to making it right for David, then he realized he was expected to in some way compensate David and the new owner of the snake and agreed he owed David something even though the snake was sold already. Brian threw some ideas out, then David threw some ideas out. Brian said he's put together a list of snakes he'd be willing to give David as compensation and failed to do so after several weeks, then communication got spotty on Brian's end, then David posted a BOI about the whole thing and as far as anyone has been made aware after that Brian stopped responding to David's emails. I don't know what happened with Brian and the guy David sold the snake to. I also don't know if the spider hey hypo ended up proving or not, as this was a while back.

There. I just saved you 3 hours of your life. I have no judgement to add to this. I have never purchased from either party but probably wouldn't hesitate to do so if they had what I wanted.
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Thank you both for saving me the stress of reading all of those threads. It's not that I wanted to buy from them (or would after this) I was just making sure there was a basis to your comments.
 
I was gonna keep out of this one since my urge to play the white knight is strong, but I consider Brian a friend. You really won't meet many guys nicer than him around. He's really good about answering questions and making time for people. I won't touch on the other threads about BHB, but if you do as much business as they do you're bound to have a few discontented people. I will say that in my own humble opinion, saying that he's only in it for the money could not be further from the truth. I have no doubt BHB would do right by you if you decided to buy anything from them.
 
David Bellis said:
.If you wish to buy from bad guys like Brian @ BHB then by all means go ahead, you've got a good chance of getting away clean as most people do. But why take the chance? Do you want to have to rid your collection of mites? Stress over whether your hets will prove out? Lots of buying options out there, save yourself the headache and avoid BHB.
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Are these questions directed at me? I assume so since you quoted my above post. Like I said, I have never purchased anything from BHB, nor am I considering it at this point. I treat all incoming animals as if they have mites, period. I've been burned by too many big and small breeders on that front. If it wasn't born in my house, I assume it has mites, much like how many animal hospitals assume dogs have fleas and treat them before admitting them overnight, regardless of what the owner thinks they know about their dog. As far as hets proving out goes...I always stress about that, no matter what guarantee I'm given. I purchase animals with the idea that if the "het" proves for me that's great, but I always have a back-up plan. I never plan on income from het pairings resulting in visual morphs, because the fact is that it could take years and years for that to work out in my favor.

I have never spoken with Brian, and until this exchange have never spoken with you. My gut feeling though is that if I were to do a deal with either of you, it would be a good deal. That's all I'm saying.
 
I'm going to go ahead and say that I'm very much in favor of BHB. I purchased my first snake from them and he died of unknown causes, which put me in a panic about possible problems with my husbandry. I contacted Brian in an attempt to see if I could figure out what I did wrong, if anything, and he was not only very accommodating and quick to respond, but he even offered to replace my snake in spite of the fact that I never asked for a replacement to begin with.

I gladly accepted and he worked with me to get my second snake shipped at a time that was convenient to me and the new snake is perfectly healthy, has a great personality and just recently went into the blue. For the record, we never actually figured out what went wrong with the first snake and have chalked it up to possible hidden problems from birth; I still regret that there were any problems at all given that I'd grown very attached to him, but Brian's efforts to remedy the situation have thoroughly convinced me of BHB's quality and high level of service, if I ever had any doubts before.
 
Completely over priced. Show prices are especially ridiculous. $300 for a 1800g normal female? No thanks. There were a bunch of jacked up prices That's just the one that stood out to me the most. I dont have the exact episode but i know its been discussed. in one of their videos you can even see the mites just crawling all over a albino ball. That makes it a no for me. Yes they have nice animals but eh. It's not for me
 
Okay, I will admit to not realizing I had opened a proverbial can of worms, causing hard feelings, etc. and so on. I do wish my initial thread searches had worked properly so that I could have done my research quietly without opening the bait can -- I sincerely apologize for that. Old, sore subjects are hard; I swear, I did not know.

I do thank you all for your calm, sometimes sore-hearted, comments and warnings; I appreciate them all very much and will weigh them carefully. I cannot fix the past, but thanks to those who have shared, perhaps I can learn from it.

Thank you again...

Cara B aka ryoverde
SA, TX
/thread initiator/, aka "it's my fault"
 
There are no hard feelings here I've never been burned by Brian or anything like that not do i hate the guy I just choose not to overpay for their animals. But I do believe it's his right to charge whatever he wants.
 
After seeing a video of Brian cutting a clutch I have to say I will never buy from him. He whines like a petulant child over a couple normals and cuts the clutch with a rusted razor! He may claim to be in the game for his passion for the animals but all I saw in this video was his passion for the almighty dollar. Here's the video if anyone wants to see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLAwFvkP35M
 
zach_24_90 said:
in one of their videos you can even see the mites just crawling all over a albino ball.
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It was a lavender albino ball. If you can see the mites in the video, you should have been able to see them while holding the snake (not to mention a mite would be much easier to spot on an albino).

Not only did that video make me not want to deal with him but also the idiotic way he handles that large burm. He looks like a moron. That is NOT the way to deal with a large, supposedly "mean" snake. :rolleyes:
 
PlatinumRosePythons said:
After seeing a video of Brian cutting a clutch I have to say I will never buy from him. He whines like a petulant child over a couple normals and cuts the clutch with a rusted razor! He may claim to be in the game for his passion for the animals but all I saw in this video was his passion for the almighty dollar. Here's the video if anyone wants to see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLAwFvkP35M
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You should see Jay does it at Prehistoric Pets. Disgusting!
 
I purchased my first ever ball python from BHB Reptiles at the Daytona Reptile Expo in August, 2009. It was a baby female normal. She did not have mites and was a good feeder. Brian has always been easy to get a hold of either through YouTube comments, emails, etc. I would do business with him again. Some of his snakes probably do have mites (although this has not been my personal experience, but I did see that youtube video of the albino where it was fairly obvious), but when you have a collection of thousands of snakes that are all kept on cypress bedding, mites are probably a never ending battle. I treat all my incoming snakes as if they have mites so it's never been an issue for me.
 
snowgyre said:
I did see that youtube video of the albino where it was fairly obvious), but when you have a collection of thousands of snakes that are all kept on cypress bedding, mites are probably a never ending battle.
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Why in the world would you put a video up on the web showing a snake with mites? That snake should have been treated immediately.
If he is that oblivious to mites that he can't see them crawling all over an albino BP, it makes me wonder what else he misses?
 
I just spent the last half hour trying to figure out which video it was on their YouTube channel without success. I do recall the video though... it was of a very bright, probably 300-500 gram albino. There were several small black dots along the side of the animal. The spots did not look like paradox spots (they were too black and confined to one scale). There were about 4-5 dots that I can recall, each were of differing sizes but all were smaller than a single scale. There was a comment posted that said it was mites, and Brian replied that it was simply dirt from the substrate the animal was on. I watched the video twice just to be sure, but I came to the same conclusion as the commenter. This is NOT to say that the albino actually had mites... but the video made it certainly appear that the animal had a mild case of mites.

Granted, I've seen almost all of his SnakeBytesTV shows and this is the only time I saw something that hinted at mites, out of all the hundreds of animals (including very bright ones where mites should be obvious). Hopefully someone else remembers which video it was and posts it here. This will be my last post since I've only done one transaction with Brian and I've already talked about my positive experience with BHB Reptiles.
 
Sincerely asking here, not to play devil's advocate of course but with the amount of snakes BHB produces and owns, are a few mites here and there strange or uncommon? I definitely agree they should not ship any that -do- have mites, but isn't it pretty common for a place of that size to get them on occasion?

Granted, if they see any they need to quarantine right away instead of continuing to have it on the main floor, but I digress. I apologize if I come across as ignorant but I don't currently own breeding snakes or have a business (yet) so I am pretty unaware of how things operate.
 
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