Bad Guy Beware Evan Stahl from Stahl Reptiles!

[Smenger]

Update. Additional payments recieved or contact saying when it will be made.

Should say No additional darn phone

 

[CircleCityConstrictors]

I clearly posted several times saturday that it would be taken care in a couple business days when the bank chooses to clear the payment. So sunday night with a total elapsed business days count of.... ZERO have passed, what exactly would have changed??? And you guys wonder why I find this frustrating?

So since Evan posted this on 4/15/2013, I guess his idea of a "couple business days" is a lot different than it is for most of the rest of us.

This still boils down to the problem of commingling business and personal funds and then spending the money a client paid for a product before the sale was completed.

I can tell you this wasn't only bad business but was actually illegal when I was a real estate broker. You had to keep clients funds in a non-interest bearing escrow account and only release them when the sale was complete.

Even if this isn't illegal in this case, it is still bad business to spend money that isn't yours to spend and then making the buyer wait for a ridiculous amount of time to get back THEIR money.

 

[MrBig]

I've dealt with Even at shows and he is a very knowledgable and sincere guy in my dealings. I can understand his apprehension to refund money when she already asked for a refund without stating that she had filed a dispute. If he \had refunded the money and lost the dispute, then what? he would have no recourse to get that money back, as he won't if he refunds now and she disputes with the card company. Not defending the way this was handled, but I can at least understand why.

 

[Fangthane]

I can understand his apprehension to refund money when she already asked for a refund without stating that she had filed a dispute. If he \had refunded the money and lost the dispute, then what?

I can't help noticing that he's steadfastly ignored multiple requests to prove that the timeline is as he claims. He's decided to put forth a serious accusation: that she was trying to swindle him, but he's refused to lift a finger to prove it. Seems a bit sketchy. Can't say that I've seen much sincerity from him. A good bit of misdirection; but little sincerity. To be fair, I should also point out that the OP has ignored the same request, that I sent via private message. Although, considering that he's still holding half of her money, I could speculate as to why she may be hesitant to prove he's lying.

Either way, you've seemingly chosen to ignore the fact that the money was returned to him several weeks ago, at which point the paranoia defense had officially run its course. As of now, a couple of business days have turned into a couple of business weeks; and she still hasn't been made whole. I have to wonder just how understanding you'd be if you didn't have some relationship with Evan.

 

[CircleCityConstrictors]

Looks like Mr. Stahl has made a little extra money in the past few days. Maybe now he can pay the OP back HER money that he has been holding for awhile now...

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=395592

 

[evansnakes]

Looks like Mr. Stahl has made a little extra money in the past few days. Maybe now he can pay the OP back HER money that he has been holding for awhile now...

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=395592

Again you run your sad little mouth without knowing what is happening around you. The total refund was paid days ago, as I predicted, the customer would not report it here but rather drop the subject and leave it negative after she had her money. As for you "mr drama" you are a sad little person who has nothing better to do than instigate and try to cause problems with other peoples lives. And of course you fail to mention that the thread you are referencing is all positive. Move on bottom feeder.

 

[Smenger]

Um I just got on here I do work two full time jobs thank you through evan I dot have the pleasure of sitting at home getting free loans taking money from people to pay bills. It was payed YESTERDAY not days ago. I just got the update email on my LUNCH break and was typing you had paid, but yes let's be rude like you have this ENTIRE time

 

[evansnakes]

below is proof from paypal that refund was paid in full with no fees and received immediately with paypal funds on 4/30 and today is now 5/3. I am rude becaue you are a liar!

Payment Sent (Unique Transaction ID # 73F639531D477180R)


Sent to:
Sierra Wolff (The recipient of this payment is Verified)
Email:
[email protected]
Amount sent:
-$400.00 USD
Fee amount:
$0.00 USD
Net amount:
-$400.00 USD


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Date:
Apr 30, 2013
Time:
17:04:11 PDT
Status:
Completed

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Subject:
You have sent $400.00 USD to Sierra Wolff with PayPal
Note:
refund of buyer purchase, total purchase in two payments was $800, this is now complete repayment of all $800 with no fees or deposit taken.
Funding Type:
PayPal Balance
Funding Source:
$400.00 USD - PayPal Account

 

[Smenger]

below is proof from paypal that refund was paid in full with no fees and received immediately with paypal funds on 4/30 and today is now 5/3. I am rude becaue you are a liar!

Payment Sent (Unique Transaction ID # 73F639531D477180R)


Sent to:
Sierra Wolff (The recipient of this payment is Verified)
Email:
[email protected]
Amount sent:
-$400.00 USD
Fee amount:
$0.00 USD
Net amount:
-$400.00 USD


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Date:
Apr 30, 2013
Time:
17:04:11 PDT
Status:
Completed

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Subject:
You have sent $400.00 USD to Sierra Wolff with PayPal
Note:
refund of buyer purchase, total purchase in two payments was $800, this is now complete repayment of all $800 with no fees or deposit taken.
Funding Type:
PayPal Balance
Funding Source:
$400.00 USD - PayPal Account

Like I said I just got on the god damn computer last night and got it so sorry I int pay close attention to the dates EXCUSEE FOR BEING F***inf human.

 

[Wilomn]

I've never had to give a refund so I'm in the dark here, but I know that it's about three days from the time someone makes a payment to me before it hits my account. Is that possible here or is a refund instant?

 

[Focal]

The total refund was paid days ago, as I predicted, the customer would not report it here but rather drop the subject and leave it negative after she had her money. QUOTE]

Didn't you take 12 days to respond to the initial dispute?

 

[Shadera]

I've never had to give a refund so I'm in the dark here, but I know that it's about three days from the time someone makes a payment to me before it hits my account. Is that possible here or is a refund instant?

It's usually instant. Sometimes PayPal will hold the funds for a few days though. No idea why. They did it to me a few weeks ago.

 

[WebSlave]

Just for the record, sometimes I will get payments via PayPal, but the actual email notification might be days later. Sometimes I don't get the emails at all. And sometimes the automated system in this site doesn't get the notifications from PayPal neither, to internally process paid memberships or sponsorships. Sometimes I don't even know about such things until someone else notices and yelps to be about it. PayPal is just not the perfect payment system they would like you to believe it is.

Warning: And also for the record, let's all at least try to act professional here. The older I get the less tolerant I am becoming of the derogatory invective and profanity that people want to throw around at each other on this site. And making a feeble attempt at skirting my policies about profanity with asterisks replacing one or more letters is NOT going to save you from an infraction in the least.

 

[evansnakes]

I've never had to give a refund so I'm in the dark here, but I know that it's about three days from the time someone makes a payment to me before it hits my account. Is that possible here or is a refund instant?

1) if you send a refund with paypal money in your account it is instant, if you use your bank account or other source it is held.
2) I did not issue a refund I paid direct with money and it was instant, as paypal noted below, the transaction was completed 4/30

Date:
Apr 30, 2013
Time:
17:04:11 PDT
Status:
Completed

 

[evansnakes]

I am done, she has been refunded 100% of her money with no fees or deposit kept. still you guys are are going to sit here and keep flogging a dead horse??? IT is over, move to the next thread and abuse the next person that you have never done business with and that you obviously think you are much better than in your own opinion.

Anyone who wants can post anything negative that they want about anyone with no proof whatsoever but I cant leave positive trader ratings for people unless I pay to do so.

 

[WebSlave]

Anyone who wants can post anything negative that they want about anyone with no proof whatsoever but I cant leave positive trader ratings for people unless I pay to do so.

Am I presume the reason for that is completely oblivious to you...

If you want to discuss this topic further, take it to the Feedback Forum, Evan. Matter of fact, it's already been discussed there. -> http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=141776

 

[evansnakes]

Am I presume the reason for that is completely oblivious to you...

If you want to discuss this topic further, take it to the Feedback Forum, Evan. Matter of fact, it's already been discussed there. -> http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=141776

Rich, I think you encourage negative behavior and talk on this board and this site and I think it has a proven track record and a group of people who follow from thread to thread regardless of poster or subject, never having done business with either so they have no real factual imput but just throw crap at the wall like Jackson Pollack to see their thoughts and opinions in print. How is that helpful. It is far from what you stated was the purpose of this board. it is not helping anyone. it is just a pack of wolves attacking people.

if you wanted to help people by having a board where they could get real information on people to help them make informed decisions on buying and selling, you would limit this board to that. real inormation. instead in this thread you let people take the thread way off topic with no warnings, you let a poster take the info from this thread and post an outright lie about me in the other thread concerning me active right now and you allow people who have part in a deal manipulate, harrass and post bs on this thread. how is that helpful to anyone? you just help them to achieve their goal of keeping the negative headline about active as long as possible to hurt me further. they dont even care that the monies are refunded FOUR days ago.

you keep posting that people should act professional here but then you always jump right in and make rude little insults. Practice what you preach man.

 

[WebSlave]

Evan, you are apparently not real capable of taking hints, are you? Take this discussion to the feedback forum, please. The only reason I am not giving you an infraction for off topic posting is because it would result in a ban. But this is your LAST warning to this effect before a further off topic posting earns you an infraction which will result in a ban. If you want to discuss how I run this forum, then take it to the Feedback Forum. Matter of fact, I am certain this topic has been discussed numerous times there already. Personally, I believe I am running this site just fine like it is. And the way I run the BOI is really the ONLY way it can be run and be effective, IMHO.

 

[CircleCityConstrictors]

Again you run your sad little mouth without knowing what is happening around you. The total refund was paid days ago, as I predicted, the customer would not report it here but rather drop the subject and leave it negative after she had her money. As for you "mr drama" you are a sad little person who has nothing better to do than instigate and try to cause problems with other peoples lives. And of course you fail to mention that the thread you are referencing is all positive. Move on bottom feeder.

I got this laughable threatening email from Mr. Stahl:

your bull****

evansnakes @ FaunaClassifieds via ayk.herpnet.com

This is a message from evansnakes at FaunaClassifieds (http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/index.php ). The FaunaClassifieds owners cannot accept any responsibility for the contents of the email.

To email evansnakes, you can use this online form:
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/sendmessage.php?do=mailmember&u=2851
OR, by email: mailto:[email protected]

This is the message:

so now you are posting what you know to be lies about me to hurt my business. You will answer for your behavior. there are consequences in the real world beyond your keyboard.

I answered his accusations about me posting lies in this thread: http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1598537#post1598537

 

[Fangthane]

Nice! He's awfully chatty when it comes time to pound on his chest or play the victim. Sadly, he doesn't appear to have anything to say when some people ask certain questions that he would seemingly rather not answer.

Anyone who wants can post anything negative that they want about anyone with no proof whatsoever....

They sure can. Obviously, you're not above taking advantage of that little freedom:

I really find it amazing that not one person has anything to say about this awesome buyer trying to steal from me!!! How awesome that she emailed me and pressured me to ship after she had filed for a refund through paypal without telling me???

Still waiting for you to post the proof that the OP had initiated the PayPal dispute before ever asking you for a refund. 'Cause we all know that it'd make so much more sense to completely avoid the most direct route to the thing we want: simply asking for it. Even on the off chance that your portrayal of the timeline is truthful, it doesn't even come close to showing any intent to steal. However, since you made the claim, it's only right that you back it up. Negativity without proof is a bad thing, right?