Bad Guy Barbie - Dubia Fraud-BUYER BEWARE

[RichsBallPythons]

Like I said ALL Usps offices weigh every package for Their records attached to the tracking. Its not public record just for their information when sorting and shipping.

But the weights listed were taken by usps could end the dispute of not sent or were lost through shipping.

 

[RichsBallPythons]

Interesting theory. I'd love to hear how you've come to that conclusion. Unless you're saying they're outright fakes, the url shows that they're from USPS.gov. Not only that, but of the three business entities you've named, USPS is the only one that's mentioned anywhere on the invoices.

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The tracking software in that link LINKS to usps.gov but it going though a third party. Notice the PTS.usps.gov. When you track directly from USPS it will be tools.usps.gov.

And quit twisting my words. I never said they were fake anywhere i said they were never done though USPS.

 

[Wilomn]

The thing is, none of us were there so all of this is speculation which is worth what again?

Either she fixes it or she doesn't. It SURE sounds like the op got shorted, but... having seen the human factor at work, I still have a tough time with the weight as count.

 

[RichsBallPythons]

PTS stands for Product Tracking System, Indicating that the invoices were generated by USPS from their end from scanning the barcodes throughout the shipment.

Im only here to help settle the weights difference,

 

[Focal]

I haven't used USPS in a loooong time, but I have seen both UPS and Fedex put weights on boxes that were not accurate when I've shipped snakes that were overnighted.

I'm not sold on the weight as measure in this deal.

I agree and I have had different results in the past, however, they have always been less than 10% and that may be generous. They weight difference here is 50-60% less.

 

[RichsBallPythons]

If you think about it, The dubia would of weighed more as a whole the night being packed compared to unpacked due to pooping and not eating for the few days in transit. Just my guess

Not sure if few days without food and water would make a massive difference in weight or not.

 

[Wilomn]

If you think about it, The dubia would of weighed more as a whole the night being packed compared to unpacked due to pooping and not eating for the few days in transit. Just my guess

Not sure if few days without food and water would make a massive difference in weight or not.

ding ding ding

We don't know the weight when they left which makes the weight when they arrived worthless for determining how many were shipped.

Doubtless there was a shortage, but how many and how is that number to be determined? Weight is not valid due to too many unverifiable factors.

 

[Focal]

OP said they were fed and rehydrated before re-weighing.

 

[RichsBallPythons]

OP said they were fed and rehydrated before re-weighing.

Yea that makes it harder. I never under stood weighing them to get a count. If your selling by weight do so without giving a estimated count. If selling by count do so with out weights.

 

[TucsonRES]

I am not familiar with dubias. Having read your respective thoughts on the weight issue, I think we all agree with the fact that there is a difference between what was received and what there should be.

Rich, I agree with you completely, pick one or the other- weight or qty

I have a couple of questions for the seller tho. Barbie, how many orders did you have go out that day? Given your emotional state over your Mothers health, is it possible that you did indeed properly count this order and place it in a box and then you or your helper mislabel the box and send the OP's order to someone else?
I doubt that anyone would open a Bad Guy thread on you if they got what the OP paid for. So, if this is a possibility, then the mistake/ problem is definitely on your end, and you should either refund the $840 or ship the rest of what your customer paid for.

 

[Fangthane]

And quit twisting my words. I never said they were fake anywhere i said they were never done though USPS.

Fine. You're not saying they're fake; you're just saying the claimed origin is fake.

The tracking software in that link LINKS to usps.gov but it going though a third party. Notice the PTS.usps.gov. When you track directly from USPS it will be tools.usps.gov.

"You," being the key word. According to the OP, this printout came directly from a USPS employee. I'm simply not seeing anything to support your 3rd party theory. Do USPS employees not use the PTS system? The following screenshot sure seems to imply that they do. Notice how it references logging into the Blue Homepage, which is apparently only for USPS employees. It all seems to support exactly what he said: they came from USPS Intranet.

http://pmgg.usps.com/delcon/pts_users_guide.pdf

 

[jk805]

You have asked where I got the USPS manifesto. Well I walked into our local USPS and asked if I gave him a tracking number, do they have a manifesto of that shipment with weights. Well, he left for a couple minutes to use the USPS INTRANET "not the internet". When he came back he handed me the two manifestos "HE" printed out, with the shipping weights on them.

We are not talking about a discrepancy of a couple ounces here, but pounds.

And it is no coincidence, that my numbers matched up. I did not even have this info on weights till yesterday, far after I have posted all my info as far as counts are.

I have all the roaches separated, and weighed them out 36-48 hours later. Yes, it is not a weight right after shipping, but nearly 48 hours later after they have been eating and drinking. If the roaches were properly fed & hydrated prior to shipping, I would assume in 48 hours they would of regained any weight loss in transit. But again, this is a moot point, as we are talking about a difference of over 40%

Since I hand counted and weighed out what came, I can calculate an average weight per roach for each size. I would assume the bugs that were actually sent were a representative sample of what she had in those sizes, therefore I can use my weights to determine what the final weights should of been in each box if the entire shipment was shipped.

I'm not sure what else I need to provide or say. Its clear that my numbers all along match up to the USPS weights and indicate a large shortage, like I have claimed from the very beginning.

 

[jk805]

BTW, there was no arm twisting to get this info from usps. Just provided the tracking numbers and he was happy to help.

 

[Wilomn]

You have asked where I got the USPS manifesto. Well I walked into our local USPS and asked if I gave him a tracking number, do they have a manifesto of that shipment with weights. Well, he left for a couple minutes to use the USPS INTRANET "not the internet". When he came back he handed me the two manifestos "HE" printed out, with the shipping weights on them.

We are not talking about a discrepancy of a couple ounces here, but pounds.

And it is no coincidence, that my numbers matched up. I did not even have this info on weights till yesterday, far after I have posted all my info as far as counts are.

I have all the roaches separated, and weighed them out 36-48 hours later. Yes, it is not a weight right after shipping, but nearly 48 hours later after they have been eating and drinking. If the roaches were properly fed & hydrated prior to shipping, I would assume in 48 hours they would of regained any weight loss in transit. But again, this is a moot point, as we are talking about a difference of over 40%

Since I hand counted and weighed out what came, I can calculate an average weight per roach for each size. I would assume the bugs that were actually sent were a representative sample of what she had in those sizes, therefore I can use my weights to determine what the final weights should of been in each box if the entire shipment was shipped.

I'm not sure what else I need to provide or say. Its clear that my numbers all along match up to the USPS weights and indicate a large shortage, like I have claimed from the very beginning.

So, you assume that the roaches she sent you weighed the same when she sent them as they did 48 hours after you got them. I can see where you got there, but you assume.

That means you don't know.

That means you DON'T KNOW.

Maybe they weighed that, maybe they didn't. Maybe the weight on the box was right, maybe it wasn't.

You keep making assertions that allow no disagreement, but I'm not so sure you're correct. I believe you were shorted, but I'm not with you on numbers.

But, since Barbie can't answer questions very well and she can't verify the whole order, it's possible you're right.

Since the entire amount you're demanding, simply can't be verified, perhaps a compromise should be contemplated.

 

[jk805]

I said she counted 500 I was not their so I said I would pay for those I hand counted 1350 female breeders in total by hand and 200 male breeders by hand. I also by hand counted 2500 medium nymphs. then I weighed aprox 13000 small at a weight of 307grms and through in the 163 large nymphs just for good messure because my package went out late.

I know this thing has now gone almost 20 pages, so for some of you that don't have the time to piece it all together, let me help with some discrepancies of her's.

She wrote the above post, and also wrote the text in the attached picture, where she claims to have counted 1000 females and babies and this mysterious friend "upcounted" the rest. She mentions weighing babies, but I don't think that was the case. She mentions counting mediums, but I don't think so. Why not send a picture of those hand counted like the breeder picture she sent.

The second picture shows the text were she sent me a picture of the breeders she was pulling. In the text picture you can see she is claiming that she has 1700 breeders 1500 females and 200 males. But in the above post she said she counted out 1350. Why send me a picture telling me 1500 females and 200 males, if she by her own admission hand counted 1000 or 1350. Neither add up to the picture she sent claiming 1500 females and 200 males.

So what did she actually count? Like I have said along, go back to page one or two and read what I thought actually happened, I think she did hand count the 1000 females (actually 950) and 200 males (actually 189). But that's were it ends. And the attached text supports that theory.

Second, she did not throw any larges in for her package being late as she is claiming above. Another lie. She said in her text, she was throwing in 350 extra female breeders for 1) her package being late, 2) for coming up short on the babies, close to 15,000 not 20,000. You can find that in previous texts I provided. She said in her text she had thrown in the larges so I could have some to morph, not for her package being late. I did attach that text picture.

These are the type of statements I was referring to when I said she talks in circles. No two stories of hers adds up. They seem to change to fit the situation or question and why I called into question drug use and competency.

 

[Show Me]

If I was shorted on a order I would expect to be reimbursed for exactly what was missing... no compromise.

 

[rheapaul79]

Wes would that be good enough if you were the one shorted , even $100 less than what he payed would be completely unreasonable. I think the shipping weights show that he didn't steal or remove any roaches before the video. And the numbers figured were based on her roaches. I don't think Barbie is a bad guy and I believe honest people can make honest mistakes but why should the buyer have to suck up the loss? I don't think he would be here if he had received his roaches. And he certainly wouldn't have so much proof to back his story up. When you say there should be a compromise your really just calling him a liar. You wouldn't go to Walmart and buy a case of soda that turned out to be half empty and then settle for them giving you just some of what you payed for, why is this different?

 

[Wilomn]

Well Kevin, I don't know that he lied and I'm not sure that she did. Given the impass they're at, what would you suggest? Everyone stomp off and he gets nothing? I can't see any way to prove one way or the other how many roaches there were at any given time prior to the actual count of the OP. But he's estimating by weight and that is too unreliable for this argument. I suppose he could hand count everything, but even then, how would we know he really counted them all.

He says he's right and she says she's right and willing to do something to make it right. This isn't as simple as character one sold character two a snake that weighed 1000g less than it should have. You're talking thousands of missing roaches. How many is the question and I don't see any way of determining that given the facts at hand and the players involved.

 

[Show Me]

If Justin paid with a credit card it should be fairly easy for him to get refunded for what was missing.

 

[jk805]

So, you assume that the roaches she sent you weighed the same when she sent them as they did 48 hours after you got them. I can see where you got there, but you assume.

That means you don't know.

That means you DON'T KNOW.

Maybe they weighed that, maybe they didn't. Maybe the weight on the box was right, maybe it wasn't.

You keep making assertions that allow no disagreement, but I'm not so sure you're correct. I believe you were shorted, but I'm not with you on numbers.

But, since Barbie can't answer questions very well and she can't verify the whole order, it's possible you're right.

Since the entire amount you're demanding, simply can't be verified, perhaps a compromise should be contemplated.

Well that is quit a conspiracy you have concocted. Let me follow your logic. I can't count, the scale I use is not correct, the scales certified by weights and measures at usps are wrong and it's not possible to get a average gram/bug measurement from a specific lot of bugs. Sorry but I do not follow your logic.

In any mathematics there are sometimes assumptions that need to be made. Now these are not pulled from thin air, but are usually rules that were contrived from research. So yes, assumptions can and are used everyday to make very precise predictions and decisions.

Again, I "assume" the bugs that I received were pulled from her stock prior to shipping, well hydrated and fed. The bugs were in the box for 3 days with no food or water, then I weighted them out 2 days later after having plenty to eat and drink. What was lost in shipping, should of been regained in the next two days, and if not, the difference would be less than 5%. Therefore, the bugs that I received and hand counted should of been a representative sample of what she had on hand. Therefore, I can calculate the average gram/bug that she sent me for each size and use that to make the calculation of what each box would of weighed if the entire order was shipped.

So here is what "I DO KNOW" - my hand counts and according weights matching up to the USPS "Intranet" manifesto weights almost exactly are no illusion. If you can not see that, not sure how else to help you with that.

BTW, a compromise. After all the BS this lady has put me through, the countless hours uploading pictures, video, text, print outs from USPS, answering every question truthfully without an ounce of wavering on this forum, and now I have concrete evidence that I was shorted a massive amount of bugs, that she still denies having any wrong doing ......... a compromise. Just no logical.